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« on: June 23, 2016, 10:31:35 AM »
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Just wanted to introduce myself.  My name is Rick, and I have an addiction to Pontiacs.....

Actually, I joined this site because of my father.  In 1973 he ordered a new Florentine Red 455 Grand Am automatic coupe with A/C, Tilt, AM/FM/ Tachometer/ Florentine Red ribbed cloth faced seats, white vinyl top, power windows. Safety Trac differential, and five Honeycomb wheels.  He actually tried to order an SD 455 but was told he would have to buy a Formula or Trans Am. While I encouraged him to do so, sensibility won out as the Grand Am had a much roomier rear seat. Also, my mother would not drive a car with a big flaming bird on the hood. 

My father loved and kept that Grand Am well into the mid 80's.  I was responsible for some excessive rear tire wear when I was able to drive it on occasion. However, my father was not exactly light footed either, and enjoyed suprising many people with that car.

Now I am around his age at the time he purchased the Grand Am.  I am thinking of purchasing one for me and my wife to drive and enjoy.  Is there a for sale listing on this site?  Must haves would be two door, no black or really dark colors, at least a 400 4bbl engine, factory A/C, rust free (I live in west Texas) we don't know what rust is, or how to repair it.

A clean driver quality car that I can work on, and enjoy is what I would like to purchase.  I don't want one so perfect  I would  fear driving it thru a puddle, then have to spend days detailing the underside.

I don't have lots of time to spend on this site but I hope to learn  more about these cars, and available parts to restore them from the people here.

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2016, 11:43:51 AM »
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welcome to the group and Glad to hear of your history with Grand Am's,  they are certainly an addiction as I have 3 of them

check ebay and various cars for sale places.

does your father still have his GA?
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2016, 04:50:22 PM »
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That is a neat history Rick! I'm kind of glad your dad opted for the GA LOL Now what would be really cool is for you to find your GA with all those options.

There is quite a few of us here that will post some good finds either from Ebay, FaceBook, or CraigsList and hopefully someone here will spot one for you that is to your liking as we are all happy to see these cars go to a good home as we have a great love for these cars.

As Mark said, welcome to The A-Body Site we look forward to seeing what you can come up with for a GA as a tribute to your dad.

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2016, 08:12:27 PM »
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Welcome to site Rick! Well, I did come across this one in San Antonio. Needs work but might be a great car?

https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/wan/5645091145.html

Then depending on how far you want to go across the country, here are some others;

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/5606697421.html

http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/5598120417.html

http://palmsprings.craigslist.org/cto/5611112029.html

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2016, 09:55:13 PM »
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Welcome A-body alum'!
Classifieds area is replete with A-bodies with some regularity so check often. You'll find one!
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2016, 10:49:15 PM »
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Welcome to the site Rick.  On occasion, you'll see a few GAs for sale here.  Criagslist often has some but it's gotten tough to do a national search.  There used to be a site that let you scan a bunch of states at the same time but I don't think they're operating anymore.  And of course eBay has some listed from time to time.

Good luck with your search.

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2016, 02:19:53 PM »
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Thanks for the warm welcome guys!  Those are some nice looking Grand Am's! 

Thanks for the leads Blue 75.  The Kansas City car looks like the best example I have seen, but it's a long way away.  Does anyone know the person selling it.  I have contacted him and recieved more pictures.  How do cars hold up in Kansas?  Is it in a rust belt area? 

MDL, unfortunately, I no longer have either my father or his 73.  However, the car is still in town.  It's had a rough life since we had it but it still runs. I understand the car has been hit front and back but has been repaired.  It's is currently not for sale and I have no idea if the 455 is still in the car.... Three Grand Am's, I thought I might have an obsession but now I'm not so worried.... ;-)

I love the Blue Grand Am with the 17 in Rally's.  I was thinking about the 17in. Honeycombs for the one I end up with.  I also like the look of them with Can Am hoods and the shaker, or the NACA hood.  My fathers car had the latter.

I hope to hear more from the owner on the Kansas City car. In addition I have found a decent running Florentine Red/Tan vinyl,  400, auto locally. Owner is attached, but I am tryiing to see if he will part with it. 

I also have a lead on a Cameo White 4-speed with manual sunroof and climate control A/C.  This is an odd combo and it needs more work than the other two.  How stiff is the factory clutch on one of these? According to the owner, it needs paint, tires, a new nose/fascia assembly, carpets, and a tailight lens. The dash is cracked, upholstery is servicable (hmmm). It is said to be in running conditon but I have not verified this.  What would be a fair amount to offer if it actually runs and drives out ok?

Also came across a 73 sedan with a 4-speed and not much else a while back. It was a desert car and and had a lot of sun damage.  I just couldn't warm up to a sedan.  I don't think many came with a stick though.

Thanks for any info you can provide!
Rick


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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2016, 02:45:32 PM »
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Rick, no worries, I keep telling myself I do not have a car buying problem...plus I have 2 vettes as well

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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2016, 05:28:20 PM »
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Ok trying to decide on two cars. One needs more work and is a 4-speed with manual crank sunroof, manual windows/locks, auto climate control, tachometer and Honeycombs.  This one has not been driven in a number of years.

Second is a current decent driver, automatic, standard A/C, tilt cruise, power everthing (windows, locks, seat), tachometer, rear defrost, Rally II's.

I know the 4 speed is harder to find.  How does it drive compared to the auto? Is the clutch heavy or the shifter balky.  I understand 73's come with Inland shifters which are not the best.  Would there be a big difference in performance with both being 400 autos?
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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2016, 07:32:47 PM »
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Rick,
For me, I would go with the stick. Yes the shifter is not the greatest but you can easily replace it with a Hurst shifter if you are not happy with its performance. The clutch is not really that heavy considering the era of car. I have to say it is not as easy as a modern hydraulic clutch though. So, its relative to what you find easy in a clutch. As for performance they are about the same. Also, as you stated before, how much of a project you want to take on should be what determines your new purchase.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2016, 10:42:11 AM »
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Thanks Blue 75.  I am going to check out the 4-speed more in depth.  It is in fair to good condition, needing a complete nose, tires, paint, etc, but not run in a number of years. What would be a fair price for a car like this?
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 09:39:12 AM »
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Personally I'd go with the car with the best body. That's where most of the value is, and most of the expense if it needs a lot of work. The mechanicals you can change to suit your desires if aren't satisfied with the way it came.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 04:21:39 PM »
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Pick the car with the least amount of rust, and the best interior trim.  an uncracked dash will save you $1200 ,,, ,,,
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 08:54:46 PM »
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Hi Rick!
Thanks for joining. Lots of knowledge here!
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« Reply #14 on: July 1, 2016, 04:42:52 PM »
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I have not found one without at least one crack on the dash.  These desert cars have just had too much sun.

I guess if your could find a pristene northern interior and a straight dry desert car, you would have one really nice car! 

I'm going to check out the 4-speed more this weekend.
Any additional tips on what to look for will be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2016, 03:00:15 PM »
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While a nice uncracked dash would be best, I wouldn't let a crack stand in the way of buying an otherwise good car. There are some do-it-yourself ways of repairing dash cracks and get a good looking result. Or the expensive route is to let Justdashes.com restore it. And you usually have to re-do the interior anyway, unless you find a low mileage car that's been well cared for and kept sheltered most of its life.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2016, 06:28:16 PM »
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I am still on the hunt.  Waiting on info and pics for a one owner 60k Grand Am Coupe.  I am leaning toward a nice driver rather than a running project now. 
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« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2016, 07:52:18 PM »
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Came across this today and thought of you. He states in the ad if its still up, they are still for sale, even though it has SOLD on the top description.
https://austin.craigslist.org/cto/5673638148.html
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