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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Alain Zanchetta on February 26, 2008, 12:54PM
	

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Title: Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on February 26, 2008, 12:54PM

Hi,

for the third consecutive year, we will organize a dedicated machines tournament in Paris, or more precisely Saints near Paris. It will take place on Sunday May, 18th.

The machines which will play are not yet defined.
New participants can register by sending me an email.

Tournament's page (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=Paris2008)

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Mike Watters on February 29, 2008, 01:55PM

Hi Alain

Just bringing your post back to the top.

It is shaping up into an interesting tournament.

All the best with arrangements
Mike


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on February 29, 2008, 10:18PM

Hi Mike,

thanks for your post :)

All the best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 12, 2008, 10:52PM

Boris - Turboking,

cela fait plus d'une semaine que j'ai demandé à tous les joueurs de confirmer leur participation, tout le monde a répondu sauf toi, malgré des emails sur l'adresse que tu avais donnée et un message privé de forum.

Peux-tu nous confirmer ta présence d'ici demain ? Sans réponse, on considérera que tu ne viens pas et on remplacera ta machine par une autre.

Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 13, 2008, 09:53PM

Hello,

here is the final list of participants of Paris 2008 :










[/table]

Best regards,
Alain
ChristianMephisto MM IV 18 MHzEd Schroeder
Eric B.Mephisto Vancouver 68020 12 MHzRichard Lang
Eric G.Novag Star SapphireDave Kittinger
Eric T.Mephisto MagellanFrans Morsch
PatrickMephisto Berlin Pro (Genius 2)Richard Lang
SteveSaitek Sparc 4 MBKathe and Dan Spracklen
AlainMephisto MontreuxJohan de Koning
Novag CitrineDavid Kittinger


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: TronTreez on May 14, 2008, 02:03AM

That's a nice collection of machines and programmers. Just a shame no Fidelity machines/Spracklen programs.

PS. my money is on MMIV 18mhz, I have the standard version, 5mhz I believe. It plays a very solid game.


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Robert Weck on May 14, 2008, 05:17AM

[quote author=TronTreez link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11124 date=1210755811]
That's a nice collection of machines and programmers. Just a shame no Fidelity machines/Spracklen programs.

PS. my money is on MMIV 18mhz, I have the standard version, 5mhz I believe. It plays a very solid game.
[/quote]
i would bet on the Montreux; it plays very good on Active Chess levels.

also very strong should be the Magellan!

And there is a Spracklen program playing: the Sparc!


Robert


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 14, 2008, 05:20AM

Hi Robert,

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11125 date=1210767466]
i would bet on the Montreux; it plays very good on Active Chess levels.
[/quote]

I hope you are right because Steve has provided two prices for the winner and the loser of the tournament :
1) A Hiarcs 12 program
2) A fine bottle of wine

The winner will chose his price and the loser will take the other one.

Hoping to win the bottle regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 14, 2008, 10:31AM

Hi Alain,
Good luck on your Tournament this weekend. Hard to tell who will win this. Christians MMIV-18 I am sure will be good for one or two surprises!

All the best

Nick

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11123 date=1210740804]
Hello,

here is the final list of participants of Paris 2008 :










[/table]

Best regards,
Alain

[/quote]
ChristianMephisto MM IV 18 MHzEd Schroeder
Eric B.Mephisto Vancouver 68020 12 MHzRichard Lang
Eric G.Novag Star SapphireDave Kittinger
Eric T.Mephisto MagellanFrans Morsch
PatrickMephisto Berlin Pro (Genius 2)Richard Lang
SteveSaitek Sparc 4 MBKathe and Dan Spracklen
AlainMephisto MontreuxJohan de Koning
Novag CitrineDavid Kittinger


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 14, 2008, 10:50AM

Hi Nick,

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11127 date=1210786303]
Good luck on your Tournament this weekend.
[/quote]
thanks !

[quote]
Hard to tell who will win this. Christians MMIV-18 I am sure will be good for one or two surprises!
[/quote]
yes, Christian's machine is completely unknown to me even if it has a rating at Schachcomputer.info... and if Christian takes it, it is not only because it is more transportable than the Elite ;)

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Robert Weck on May 14, 2008, 03:02PM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11128 date=1210787438]
yes, Christian's machine is completely unknown to me even if it has a rating at Schachcomputer.info... and if Christian takes it, it is not only because it is more transportable than the Elite ;)
[/quote]
The MM IV with a 16Mhz Turbokit by Schaetzle&Bsteh was rated at around 2090 SSDF-ELO; very good, but it should not quite be able to compete with the top-computers as Berlin pro, Montreux or Magellan...


Alain and Christian, i wish you both best of luck! ;)

Robert


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 15, 2008, 02:04PM

Hi Robert,

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11129 date=1210802526]
The MM IV with a 16Mhz Turbokit by Schaetzle&Bsteh was rated at around 2090 SSDF-ELO; very good, but it should not quite be able to compete with the top-computers as Berlin pro, Montreux or Magellan...


Alain and Christian, i wish you both best of luck! ;)
[/quote]
thanks !

Anyway, the fun is more important than the results (well I'd be happy to win one of the prices, the bottle of wine ::) ) and I think I'll set the Montreux to the "offensive" setting.

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Endspielgott on May 16, 2008, 05:11AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11128 date=1210787438]
yes, Christian's machine is completely unknown to me even if it has a rating at Schachcomputer.info... and if Christian takes it, it is not only because it is more transportable than the Elite ;)
[/quote]

Alain,

nonono it´s just for two reasons I will bring the MMIV:
1. In case I get mugged in Paris metro the MMIV 18MHz will be easier to replace than a Fidelity V9.
2. By finishing last I am sure to get a price ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 16, 2008, 05:18AM

Hi Christian,

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11131 date=1210939913]
1. In case I get mugged in Paris metro the MMIV 18MHz will be easier to replace than a Fidelity V9.
[/quote]
you are right... almost : if you had taken an Elite or Res, it is more Saints with Eric and Patrick which would have been the "unsecured" location ;D

People in Paris' metro have not idea of what a Fidelity Elite represents ;)

see you tomorrow regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Endspielgott on May 16, 2008, 05:31AM

Just to let you know what the MM4 turbo is capable of:

[Event "30 sec per move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.04.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Saitek Risc 2500"]
[Black "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. Nf3 g6 7. e4 Bg7 8. Be2
O-O 9. O-O Re8 10. Qc2 Qe7 11. Bg5 h6 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. Nd2 Nd7 14. Nb5 Nf8 15.
Nc4 Rd8 16. Rae1 b6 17. Bd3 Bd7 18. Qb3 Bxb5 19. Qxb5 Rac8 20. Qb3 Nd7 21. Be2
Rb8 22. Bg4 b5 23. Na5 Ne5 24. Nc6 Nxc6 25. dxc6 Qc7 26. Bd7 c4 27. Qb4 a5 28.
Qd2 Kg7 29. Rd1 Be7 30. Rfe1 a4 31. Qb4 Bf6 32. Rd5 Rh8 33. Rxb5 Qa7 34. Re2 a3
35. b3 cxb3 36. Qxb3 Rxb5 37. Qxb5 Rb8 38. Qxb8 Qxb8 39. g3 Bd8 0-1


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Endspielgott on May 16, 2008, 05:33AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11133 date=1210941117]
Just to let you know what the MM4 turbo is capable of:

[Event "30 sec per move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.04.26"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Saitek Risc 2500"]
[Black "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Result "0-1"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e6 4. Nc3 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. Nf3 g6 7. e4 Bg7 8. Be2
O-O 9. O-O Re8 10. Qc2 Qe7 11. Bg5 h6 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. Nd2 Nd7 14. Nb5 Nf8 15.
Nc4 Rd8 16. Rae1 b6 17. Bd3 Bd7 18. Qb3 Bxb5 19. Qxb5 Rac8 20. Qb3 Nd7 21. Be2
Rb8 22. Bg4 b5 23. Na5 Ne5 24. Nc6 Nxc6 25. dxc6 Qc7 26. Bd7 c4 27. Qb4 a5 28.
Qd2 Kg7 29. Rd1 Be7 30. Rfe1 a4 31. Qb4 Bf6 32. Rd5 Rh8 33. Rxb5 Qa7 34. Re2 a3
35. b3 cxb3 36. Qxb3 Rxb5 37. Qxb5 Rb8 38. Qxb8 Qxb8 39. g3 Bd8 0-1


[/quote]

okok,

the Risc 2500 blundered, he should have won.
But 34. ... a3 was a nice move from the MM4.

Christian


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Sargon on May 16, 2008, 01:15PM

Hello Guys,

Nice tournament,have a lot of fun together,and don't drink the wine ;) before u started all.
Mine top 3 of endranking would be 1.Montreux 2.Berlin Pro 3,Star Sapphire.
But that is only mine thought hehehe
Looking forward to see the pics and games!

Kind regards,Hans


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 18, 2008, 02:29PM

Hello,

I'll post more comments and also the games in the next few days because it is already quite late here, but here are the final standings :


Code:

# Computer Elo Rd01 Rd02 Rd03 Rd04 Rd05 Pts Bu.
1 MEPHISTO VANC. 68020 ( Eric B) 2216 =4N =8B +6N =3N +2B 3.5 12
2 MEPHISTO MONTREUX ( Alain) 2280 +5B -3N +7B +4B -1N 3 13.5
3 MEPHISTO BERLIN PRO ( Patrick) 2282 +8N +2B -4N =1B =6N 3 12.5
4 MEPHISTO ATLANTA ( Eric T) 2293 =1B +7N +3B -2N -5N 2.5 14
5 MEPHISTO MM IV 18MHZ ( Christian) 2076 -2N -6B +8N =7N +4B 2.5 11
6 NOVAG CITRINE 2049 -7B +5N -1B =8N =3B 2 12.5
7 SAITEK SPARC 4MB ( Steve) 2187 +6N -4B -2N =5B =8B 2 11.5
8 NOVAG STAR SAPPHIRE ( Eric G) 2171 -3B =1N -5B =6B =7N 1.5 13


Thanks again to all players,
And best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 18, 2008, 03:29PM


on 1211146172, Alain Zanchetta wrote:

Hello,

I'll post more comments and also the games in the next few days because it is already quite late here, but here are the final standings :


Code:

# Computer Elo Rd01 Rd02 Rd03 Rd04 Rd05 Pts Bu.
1 MEPHISTO VANC. 68020 ( Eric B) 2216 =4N =8B +6N =3N +2B 3.5 12
2 MEPHISTO MONTREUX ( Alain) 2280 +5B -3N +7B +4B -1N 3 13.5
3 MEPHISTO BERLIN PRO ( Patrick) 2282 +8N +2B -4N =1B =6N 3 12.5
4 MEPHISTO ATLANTA ( Eric T) 2293 =1B +7N +3B -2N -5N 2.5 14
5 MEPHISTO MM IV 18MHZ ( Christian) 2076 -2N -6B +8N =7N +4B 2.5 11
6 NOVAG CITRINE 2049 -7B +5N -1B =8N =3B 2 12.5
7 SAITEK SPARC 4MB ( Steve) 2187 +6N -4B -2N =5B =8B 2 11.5
8 NOVAG STAR SAPPHIRE ( Eric G) 2171 -3B =1N -5B =6B =7N 1.5 13


Thanks again to all players,
And best regards,
Alain


Wow Alain!

A great win for Vancouver 68020!

It looks like every year there will be a surprise in Paris ;D

Last year it was Novag Sapphire and now Mephisto Vancouver 68020 ::)

MMIV-18 and Citrine did very well too :)

I love it when the less expected happens.

Thanks for sharing the results so quickly.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 18, 2008, 10:27PM

Hi Nick,

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11138 date=1211149765]
A great win for Vancouver 68020!
[/quote]
yes, and fully deserved !

[quote]
MMIV-18 and Citrine did very well too :)
[/quote]
and at least MM IV could have had one more point... I'll post the game against the Montreux because it is really interesting around move #80....

Stay tuned...

best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 19, 2008, 09:45AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11139 date=1211174862]
and at least MM IV could have had one more point... I'll post the game against the Montreux because it is really interesting around move #80....
[/quote]

Hi Alain,

Well if that would have happened then MMIV-18 would have had 3.5 points and joint first place ?

Now that would have been even bigger news then Sapphire's win last year ;D

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 19, 2008, 10:53AM

Hi Nick,

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11140 date=1211215506]
Well if that would have happened then MMIV-18 would have had 3.5 points and joint first place ?

Now that would have been even bigger news then Sapphire's win last year ;D
[/quote]
yes, but in fact things are not so simple : because it did not play against Vancouver nor Berlin Pro. If it had had better results in first rounds, it would have played all "big guys", so ???

Best regards,
Alain

PS : I started a few minutes ago to enter the games, I hope to finish tonight or tomorrow.


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Endspielgott on May 19, 2008, 11:25AM

In fact I was a little bit disappointed by the MMIV.

1. He lost against the Montreux in a position which was drawn because he thought himself to have an advantage of 2 pawns. But by giving away one of these pawns (to avoid a draw by the 50 moves rule) he openend the position and died shortly after this.

2. He also lost against the Citrine in a king / pawn against king/ pawn endgame which has a draw as well. But without hash tables he blundered (could have been me since I dont have them either ;D )

3. Against the Sparc he should have lost too because in a closed positions the MM4´s bishop got trapped and had to be sacrificed for only a pawn. Strange enough the Sparc did not find a way to open the position and win the game so Steve finally was upset and offered a draw ;)

On the positive side two beautiful victories against the Atlanta (yes!) and the Star Sapphire.

Thanks to Alain and Patrick!

Christian


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Endspielgott on May 19, 2008, 11:58AM

For those who are interested here are the MM4 games:

[Event "Saints 2008"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2008.05.18"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Mephisto Montreux"]
[Black "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D15"]
[Annotator "M,Sir"]
[PlyCount "204"]
[TimeControl "240+2"]

{188MB, Fritz8.ctg, PC240214425287} 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5.
e4 b5 6. e5 Nd5 7. a4 e6 8. axb5 Nxc3 9. bxc3 cxb5 10. Ng5 Bb7 11. Qh5 g6 12.
Qg4 Be7 {Buchende} 13. Be2 h5 14. Qf4 Bxg5 15. Qxg5 Qxg5 16. Bxg5 Bxg2 17. Rg1
Bc6 18. Bf6 Rh7 19. f3 a5 20. Kf2 Nd7 21. Bg5 Nb6 22. Bd2 Ra7 23. Bd1 a4 24.
Bc2 Nd5 25. Ra3 Rd7 26. Be4 h4 27. Raa1 Ra7 28. Bxd5 Bxd5 29. Rgb1 Ra5 30. Bg5
Rh5 31. Rg1 h3 32. Bc1 Kd7 33. Ba3 Ra8 34. Ke3 Kc6 35. Rab1 Rhh8 36. Rb2 Ra5
37. Bb4 Ra6 38. Ba3 Rh5 39. Bc5 Ra8 40. Ba3 Ra7 41. Rbb1 Rh4 42. Rb2 Ra5 43.
Bb4 Ra6 44. Be7 Rh7 45. Ba3 Rh8 46. Rgb1 Rb8 47. Rg1 Ra5 48. Bb4 Ra7 49. Ba3
Rba8 50. Rg3 Rh8 51. Rg1 Raa8 52. Rgb1 Rhb8 53. Rg1 Rb6 54. Rg3 Rh8 55. Bc5 Ra6
56. Rg4 Raa8 57. Ba3 Ra5 58. Bb4 Ra7 59. Bc5 Ra6 60. Ba3 Rh5 61. Rb1 Rh7 62.
Rg3 Rh4 63. Rgg1 Ra5 64. Bb4 Ra7 65. Bc5 Ra8 66. Be7 Rhh8 67. Rb2 Rh7 68. Ba3
Ra5 69. Bb4 Ra7 70. Bc5 Rb7 71. Rg5 Rb8 72. Rb1 Rhh8 73. Ba3 Ra8 74. Rg3 Rh4
75. Rgg1 Rh6 76. Rb2 Ra5 77. Bb4 Ra7 78. Bc5 Rb7 79. Rg5 Rb8 80. Rg1 f6 81.
exf6 e5 82. Be7 exd4+ 83. Kxd4 Rb7 84. Rg5 Rh4+ 85. Ke3 Rd7 86. Rxg6 Bf7 87.
Rg7 Bh5 88. Rd2 Rxd2 89. Kxd2 Rf4 90. Rg5 a3 91. Bxa3 Bxf3 92. Be7 Bd5 93. Ke2
Re4+ 94. Kf2 Rf4+ 95. Kg3 Rf3+ 96. Kg4 Rf1 97. Kxh3 Rf4 98. Kg3 Rf1 99. h4 Rg1+
100. Kf2 Rc1 101. Rxd5 Rc2+ 102. Ke3 Kxd5 1-0

[Event "Saints 2008"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2008.05.18"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Black "Novag Citrine"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C50"]
[Annotator "M,Sir"]
[PlyCount "142"]
[TimeControl "240+2"]

{188MB, Fritz8.ctg, PC240214425287} 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. d3 Nf6 5.
Nc3 d6 6. Be3 Bb6 7. Qd2 Be6 8. Bb5 O-O 9. Bxc6 bxc6 10. O-O Nd7 {Buchende} 11.
Ng5 Bg4 12. h3 Bh5 13. f4 Qb8 14. Na4 exf4 15. Rxf4 Bxe3+ 16. Qxe3 Qb5 17. Rh4
Qxa4 18. Rxh5 h6 19. Nf3 Qxc2 20. Rc1 Qxb2 21. Rxc6 Qb7 22. Rc1 Rfe8 23. Nd2
Rab8 24. Rf5 c6 25. Rcf1 Re7 26. Nc4 d5 27. Nd6 Qc7 28. Nxf7 dxe4 29. dxe4 Qb6
30. Qxb6 axb6 31. Nd6 Nc5 32. e5 Nd3 33. Rf7 Rxf7 34. Rxf7 Nxe5 35. Re7 Rd8 36.
Nf5 Nf7 37. Rb7 Nd6 38. Nxd6 Rxd6 39. Rxb6 Kf7 40. Rb7+ Kf6 41. Rc7 g5 42. Kf2
Rd2+ 43. Kf3 Rxa2 44. Rxc6+ Kg7 45. Re6 h5 46. g4 Kf7 47. Re3 hxg4+ 48. Kxg4
Kf6 49. Kh5 Ra4 50. Rf3+ Rf4 51. Rxf4+ gxf4 52. Kg4 Ke5 53. Kf3 Kf5 54. h4 Ke5
55. Kg4 {verliert} Ke4 56. h5 f3 57. Kg3 Ke3 58. Kg4 f2 59. Kf5 f1=Q+ 60. Kg6
Qg2+ 61. Kf6 Kf4 62. h6 Qg5+ 63. Ke6 Qxh6+ 64. Kd5 Qg5+ 65. Kd4 Qe5+ 66. Kc4
Ke4 67. Kb3 Qb5+ 68. Kc3 Ke3 69. Kc2 Qb4 70. Kc1 Kd3 71. Kd1 Qd2# 0-1

[Event "Saints 2008"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2008.05.18"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Novag Star Sapphire"]
[Black "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D19"]
[Annotator "M,Sir"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[TimeControl "240+2"]

{188MB, Fritz8.ctg, PC240214425287} 1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 c6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5.
a4 Bf5 6. e3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8. O-O O-O 9. Qe2 {Buchende} Re8 10. e4 Bg4 11. Rd1
Nbd7 12. h3 Bh5 13. g4 Bxc3 14. bxc3 Bg6 15. Bd3 Qe7 16. Ba3 c5 17. Rab1 b6 18.
a5 h6 19. Ne5 Nxe5 20. dxe5 Nh7 21. Bb5 Red8 22. Bc6 Rac8 23. Rxd8+ Qxd8 24.
Rd1 Qg5 25. Qb5 Qh4 26. axb6 Ng5 27. b7 Nxh3+ 28. Kg2 Qxg4+ 29. Kh2 Rb8 30.
Rd8+ Rxd8 31. b8=Q Rxb8 32. Qxb8+ Kh7 33. Qb5 Ng5 34. Qf1 Bh5 35. Qd3 Nf3+ 0-1

[Event "Saints 2008"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2008.05.18"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Saitek Sparc 4MB"]
[Black "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D02"]
[Annotator "M,Sir"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[TimeControl "240+2"]

{188MB, Fritz8.ctg, PC240214425287} 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. Bf4 Nc6 4. Nc3 e6 5.
Nb5 Bb4+ 6. c3 Ba5 7. e3 a6 8. Na3 Ne4 9. Nd2 Nxd2 10. Qxd2 f6 11. Be2 e5 12.
Bg3 O-O 13. O-O Be6 14. Qc2 Qd7 15. Bd3 g6 16. f3 Bb6 17. Kh1 Rae8 18. Rg1 f5
19. f4 e4 20. Be2 Re7 21. c4 Ree8 22. c5 Ba5 23. Nb1 Nb4 24. Qd2 Qa4 25. b3 Qd7
26. a3 Nc6 27. b4 Bxb4 28. axb4 Ra8 29. Qc3 Ne7 30. Nd2 Rae8 31. Ra2 h6 32.
Rga1 Rd8 33. Bh4 Rb8 34. Qb3 c6 35. Ra3 Rbe8 36. Ra5 Kh7 37. Qc2 Ng8 38. Qc3
Qc7 39. R5a3 Bd7 40. Qc2 Nf6 41. Qa4 Be6 42. Qb3 Rc8 43. Ra5 Rce8 44. Qc2 Bd7
45. Qc3 Re6 46. Qb2 1/2-1/2

[Event "Saints 2008"]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2008.05.18"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Mephisto Atlanta"]
[Black "Mephisto MMIV 18MHz"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B13"]
[Annotator "M,Sir"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[TimeControl "240+2"]

{188MB, Fritz8.ctg, PC240214425287} 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6
5. c3 Nf6 6. Bf4 g6 {Buchende Atlanta} 7. Nf3 Bg7 8. O-O O-O 9. Nbd2 Nh5 10.
Be3 f5 {letzter Buchzug MM4} 11. Bg5 h6 12. Bh4 g5 13. Nxg5 hxg5 14. Bxg5 Nf6
15. Re1 Ne4 16. Bf4 e5 17. dxe5 Nxe5 18. Bxe5 Bxe5 19. Nf3 Bg7 20. Nd4 Bxd4 21.
cxd4 Qb6 22. Bxe4 dxe4 23. Qd2 Qg6 24. d5 f4 25. d6 Be6 26. Kh1 Rf7 27. Qd4 Bf5
28. Rad1 Rd8 29. f3 Rg7 30. Rg1 Rh7 31. g3 fxg3 32. Qd5+ Kh8 33. Qd4+ Qg7 34.
Rxg3 Qxd4 35. Rxd4 e3 36. Rd5 Re8 37. Rd1 Rd7 38. Rg5 Bc2 39. Rh5+ Kg7 40. Rg1+
Bg6 41. Rd5 Kh6 42. h4 Bh5 43. Kg2 Bf7 44. Rd4 Rg8+ 45. Kh2 Rxg1 46. Kxg1 b5
47. Kf1 Bc4+ 48. Ke1 Rg7 49. Rg4 Rxg4 50. fxg4 Be6 51. g5+ Kh5 52. Ke2 Kxh4 53.
g6 Kg5 54. g7 Kf6 55. a3 Kxg7 56. Kxe3 Kg6 57. Kd4 Kf5 58. Kc5 Bd7 {
a4! macht remis} 59. Kb4 Ke4 60. Ka5 Kd5 61. Ka6 Kxd6 62. Kxa7 Kc5 63. Kb7 Kc4
64. Kb6 Kb3 65. Kc5 Kxb2 66. Kd6 Kxa3 0-1


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Sargon on May 19, 2008, 12:30PM

Hello All,

As always ,a interesting tournament ;D Nice games so far i could see.
And those little chessmonsters always supprise's their masters .
I was close with top 3...... :-X hehe
For next year...(as i said before once) i want to come Paris is about 4 a 450 Km for me.
But this time i didn't see when ore where.
No excusses of course,mine own error.
If u Alain will mail me a couple months before,i can that arrange with work and take free.
Of course u have to book a hotel for me,because i speak just few words French, pyjama-etui, crossaint, but those words are similar as in Dutch ;)
Here mine e-mail adress Mierlo15@kpnplanet.nl
i hope u all enjoyed ure tournament, i'm pretty sure u did.

All the best,Hans


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 19, 2008, 01:51PM

Hi Hans,

[quote author=Sargon link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11144 date=1211225432]
Hello All,

As always ,a interesting tournament ;D Nice games so far i could see.
And those little chessmonsters always supprise's their masters .
I was close with top 3...... :-X hehe
For next year...(as i said before once) i want to come Paris is about 4 a 450 Km for me.
But this time i didn't see when ore where.
No excusses of course,mine own error.
If u Alain will mail me a couple months before,i can that arrange with work and take free.
Of course u have to book a hotel for me,because i speak just few words French, pyjama-etui, crossaint, but those words are similar as in Dutch ;)
Here mine e-mail adress Mierlo15@kpnplanet.nl
i hope u all enjoyed ure tournament, i'm pretty sure u did.

All the best,Hans
[/quote]
you will be welcome next year, and I'll send you an email to be sure you don't miss the announcement in the forums.

best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 19, 2008, 01:53PM

Hi Christian,

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11143 date=1211223486]
For those who are interested here are the MM4 games:
[/quote]

thanks a lot ! you saved me a lot of time tonight !!!

so here are all the games of the tournament
http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/Paris2008/Paris2008.pgn (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/Paris2008/Paris2008.pgn)
Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Larryh71 on May 19, 2008, 04:44PM

Hi to Alain and others,
Thanks for an enjoyable tournament. I guess surprise
results are to be regarded as almost normal in these
short events. If it were to be a double round robin
event the results would no doubt go closer to seedings.
Is it not possible on this forum to put up a chess GUI
where we can simply click on a forward arrow (">") and
flick through the game? I'm afraid I don't have it in me
to set up a board and laboriously copy the moves from
the monitor to the board.
Alain, do you want to sell me your Montreux?
Looking forward to next year's tourney
regards
Larry


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 19, 2008, 06:23PM


on 1211240649, Larryh71 wrote:

Is it not possible on this forum to put up a chess GUI
where we can simply click on a forward arrow (">") and
flick through the game? I'm afraid I don't have it in me
to set up a board and laboriously copy the moves from
the monitor to the board.


Hi Larry,
You should be able to highlight ALL the moves of a game with your mouse and copy/paste all the moves directly into Arena or Chessbase or any other chess game viewer.

The copy/paste should work with any program that replays chess games.

With Arena for example you should be able to highlight (including the game header information) and copy all the games below, then open Arena and by pressing "Shift Key" + "F6 Key", the Clipboard should open (if it is not already openend after you opened Arena) and all the 5 games below should be showing and available for you to replay in Arena. You can just click on any game then and replay it.

You can also paste all the games (including headers) to Windows Notepad and then save as "anyname.pgn" and then you can open the pgn file with any chess program that you use.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 19, 2008, 08:13PM

Hi Christian,

Thanks for showing the MM4-18 games below.

Wow... it is amazing how Atlanta missed the opportunity to draw on move 58. ::)

But more amazing is how MM4-18 lost the endgame against Montreaux. It looked difficult to win but it did not seem possible that it would lose ???

And the mistake MM4-18 made in the endgame against Citrine was very bad :o

Sparc should have beaten MM4-18 but the position I think is very complicated for chess computers. The easiest way to win would be for white to give up the white Bishop and winning two pawns by taking the black pawn on a6. But which computer would really do this especially in 30s/move chess?

Perhaps there is an easier way to win, but I tried to set up this position:

(38. Nb1 Qc7 39. Nc3 Kg7 40. Na4 Rf7 41.
Nb6 Ref8 42. Kg1 Re8 43. Qc3 Kh7 44. R5a2 Ref8 45. Bxa6! bxa6 46. Rxa6 Rb8 47.
b5 cxb5)

I let Rybka 2.1c run for 5 minutes on my Pentium 1.8 Laptop and still it would not play 45. Bxa6!

Therefore it seems unlikely that there are many chess computers who would sactifice their Bishop by taking the pawn on a6. This would be a good test for dedicated computers.

The other option is breaking through on the Kingside that looks very hard too.

I think for the sake of the Tournament played at 30s/move, Steve made a good decision to accept the draw otherwise you might still be playing today ;D This is (oops!)uming that MM4-18 does nothing stupid to weaken it's defense.

The more I looked at this Black pawn blockade the more I think that other dedicated computers would also have their problems with it.

They are all interesting games though. Thanks again for sharing them.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 19, 2008, 11:43PM

Hi Larry,

[quote author=Larryh71 link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11147 date=1211240649]
Hi to Alain and others,
Is it not possible on this forum to put up a chess GUI
where we can simply click on a forward arrow (">") and
flick through the game? I'm afraid I don't have it in me
to set up a board and laboriously copy the moves from
the monitor to the board.
[/quote]
I'll change the tournament's page to allow the replay of the games on line... but it will be tomorrow I guess.

[quote]
Alain, do you want to sell me your Montreux?
[/quote]
of course not ;D

best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 19, 2008, 11:50PM

Hi Nick,

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=1533;start=0#msg11149 date=1211253214]
But more amazing is how MM4-18 lost the endgame against Montreaux. It looked difficult to win but it did not seem possible that it would lose ???
[/quote]
This is a very interesting game for us but the PGN does not show why. I wanted to make comments about it but did not have time yesterday, so here is what happened:

the Montreux played the tournament in "Offensive" mode and did not care too much about pawns, so it was two pawns behind from the beginning of the game.

Anyway, its evaluation was -0.2 while the MMIV saw it as +2.0 for itself.
After move 31, the position was blocked, the Montreux could not do anything but the MM IV could advance pawns and lose the game.

So during almost 50 moves, nothing happened and when the 50th move came, the MM IV did exactly what Christian and I expected : as its evaluation was still +2.0, it preferred to damage its position and reach +1.0 than to allow a draw which is 0.0 and therefore worse.

And of course, a few moves later, it was not +1.0 anymore but the MM IV saw (too late) its loss coming.

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Larryh71 on May 20, 2008, 01:16AM

Thanks for the info Nick. I did'nt know about that
stuff. Learn something new every day. :P
regards
Larry


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: Sargon on May 20, 2008, 09:02AM

Hello Alain,

Ok thnx very much , i will look forward to ure mail.
Nice games i played them now all.

Kind regards,Hans


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Title: Re:Paris 2008
Post by: alainza on May 20, 2008, 01:17PM

Hi,

the games are now replayable on line :
http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=Paris2008/games.htm (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=Paris2008/games.htm)

best regards,
Alain



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