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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: spacious_mind on May  5, 2008, 04:44PM
	

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Title: U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 5, 2008, 04:44PM

Hi everyone,

Hopefully I have not made you all tired of looking at U1400 machines ::) because I would now like to announce the start of a new U1400 Tournament that incorporates 108 new machines that have not previously played in the other U1400 Tournament.

But, first of all before I forget again, I want to say a big thank you to Alain for helping out and putting up with me in the last U1400 Tournament by kindly volunteering to play 16 Online games with his Mephisto Junior Portable.

Thank you also to everyone for the many kind words of encouragement and suggestions that I received during the previous U1400 Tournament posts :)

So anyway you can blame anyone who encouraged me before because now you have to put up with a whole new set of U1400 posts ;D


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http://www.geocities.com/spacious_mind/u14green/u1400_green_stage1_schedule.htm (http://www.geocities.com/spacious_mind/u14green/u1400_green_stage1_schedule.htm)


[B][SIZE="3"][CENTER]For future game updates, just click on the Link above[/CENTER][/SIZE][/B]

I hope I have sparked an interest for our little heroes!

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Sargon VI on May 6, 2008, 02:07AM

Je suis abasourdi par le travail gigantesque représenté par ces tournois …pour notre plus grand plaisir !!

Je me permets de vous demander pourquoi vous n’intégrez pas le programme Sargon 2.5 ?
Je sais qu’il est cl(oops!)é 1500 par le « Wiki-Elo » mais il ne l’est pas dans le « Elo Aktiv Liste ».
Je pense que Sargon 2.5 est moins fort que Méphisto 2, Saitek Cosmic, Novag Mentor 16 …
Pourtant, je pense que ça serait intéressant de voir comment se comporte ce programme « Spracklen » dans un tournoi de cette ampleur.

Mes favoris sont les 3 programmes cités au dessus …

All the best !

PS : Encore désolé pour le langage !


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 6, 2008, 06:58PM

[quote author=Sargon VI link=board=1;threadid=1592;start=0#msg11102 date=1210064842]
Je suis abasourdi par le travail gigantesque représenté par ces tournois …pour notre plus grand plaisir !!

Je me permets de vous demander pourquoi vous n’intégrez pas le programme Sargon 2.5 ?
Je sais qu’il est cl(oops!)é 1500 par le « Wiki-Elo » mais il ne l’est pas dans le « Elo Aktiv Liste ».
Je pense que Sargon 2.5 est moins fort que Méphisto 2, Saitek Cosmic, Novag Mentor 16 …
Pourtant, je pense que ça serait intéressant de voir comment se comporte ce programme « Spracklen » dans un tournoi de cette ampleur.

Mes favoris sont les 3 programmes cités au dessus …

All the best !

PS : Encore désolé pour le langage !

[/quote]

Hi Oliver

You may have your wish yet ;) I am having problems with my Radio Shack 1680L so I might have to replace it in Group K.

Yes the thought behind not playing Sargon 2.5 was Wiki because I based pretty much all of the contestants on Wiki.

I realize that in the Aktivlist Novag Mentor 16 is showing well above ELO 1400. But based on Wiki and other experiences I believe Mentor 16 fits into U1400.

Are you interested in playing a Group? If you are then maybe you can have your Sargon 2.5 included in a Group? The only thing to consider if you want to play a Group is that the Group has to be quite well balanced with good and weaker machines otherwise a good machine will be hurt because it might not make the Knock-out stages later.

Yes with Mephisto II, Cosmic and Mentor 16 you have picked some favorites to win this Tournament. But this is by no means a certainty :) I am sure there will be several surprises. Picking the 4 semi finalists maybe like picking the correct numbers in a lottery. There is still too little game information about these machines.

I have a just for fun competition if you want to join in and play. ;D

I will post the details about this competition in my next post.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Sargon VI on May 7, 2008, 12:38AM

Hello Nick

Je suis très honoré de votre invitation à participer à votre tournoi et je l’accepte avec grand plaisir !

Je pense que le « légendaire » M.G.S. Sargon 2.5 a sa place dans ce tournoi !!
Je possède également le Mephisto Supermini (Groupe N) si ça peut vous être utile !

Je me tiens à votre disposition !

All the best !

Olivier
:)


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 7, 2008, 04:13PM


on 1210145905, Sargon VI wrote:

Hello Nick

Je suis très honoré de votre invitation à participer à votre tournoi et je l’accepte avec grand plaisir !

Je pense que le « légendaire » M.G.S. Sargon 2.5 a sa place dans ce tournoi !!
Je possède également le Mephisto Supermini (Groupe N) si ça peut vous être utile !

Je me tiens à votre disposition !

All the best !

Olivier
:)


Hi Oliver,

You are very welcome to play and you can certainly play the Supermini in Group N. But this means that you will have to agree to meet on-line to play 16 Group Games with me. If this is acceptable then please send me an e-mail or a PM so that we can work out the arrangements.

With regards to Sargon 2.5, I have a problem about entering it at the moment. My Radio Shack 1680L has started to work again. It had batteries inside it for a long time and maybe it caused it to freeze the Sensors the other day. Today after plugging it into a 7.5V -/+ Adapter it started to work again after about a minute of me just pressing a1 and b1 keys. New batteries now also work with it. So it seems to be good again.

I would prefer to not play the Sargon 2.5 because the 1680L should definitely be more suitable for U1400, unless another new Group is started and I do not have enough suitable machines at the moment to start more Groups.

Peter (Fluppio) is playing several games with MGS Sargon/Steinitz/Morphy etc so in the next update in a few months the Sargon 2.5 will be included in the list anyway. Also when U1400 finishes there are plans to start U1600 and include the best U1400 machines in the future U1600 Tournament therefore Sargon 2.5 will find it's place in the list later, alone and probably also in a combination with Gruenfeld/Capablanca.

So unless a new Group starts or there is another machine failure, I would prefer to keep Sargon 2.5 for other future Tournaments.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 7, 2008, 05:20PM

In order to make this new U1400 Green Tournament a little more interesting and fun, here is a little Prediction Game that anyone who is interested can join in and play. This is a challenge to Experts and Non-Experts! ;D

There is so little information about many of the machines playing that it really would be fun to see how close the predictions are compared to the results at the end of the Tournament.

Hans-Juergen and I tried to predict in the last Tournament and we both failed miserably ;D but had a lot of fun following our predictions. We both had better chances to win a Lottery then our predictions the last time around. ::)

Therefore since we both want to see if we can do a better job this time, we would also like to extend this challenge to anyone who is interested.

There are no prizes to be won this is meant just for fun!

So we challenge all you Experts and Non-Experts to play this game :)

Here are the Rules:

1) You have to pick the ranking order of each Group
2) You have to pick 8 machines that you think will reach the Quarter Finals (Top Eight)
3) You have to predict who will be U1400 Green Champion.





........and may God help us! ;D

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Mike Watters on May 8, 2008, 12:11AM

Great stuff Nick. I will certainly make a fool of myself and join in your Prediction Game. When do the predictions have to be in?

The Active Chess Elo list and information is superb. The first realistic Elos for many of these machines that have ever been published. I will put the SciSys ones on the Scisys 1979-1986 webpage.

Good luck with the tournament
Mike


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 8, 2008, 02:57PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1592;start=0#msg11109 date=1210230682]
Great stuff Nick. I will certainly make a fool of myself and join in your Prediction Game. When do the predictions have to be in?

The Active Chess Elo list and information is superb. The first realistic Elos for many of these machines that have ever been published. I will put the SciSys ones on the Scisys 1979-1986 webpage.

Good luck with the tournament
Mike


[/quote]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for wanting to play the game :) There is no rush I can wait 2 Weeks or more if needed before we begin to report on any Groups.

Yes I also think the new Aktivliste looks great!

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 19, 2008, 09:31PM

Hi everyone,

Micha has bravely ;D also decided to join us in the Prediction Game ;D.

I have updated my post dated May 7th to include Micha's predictions.

If there is anyone else who would like to play the Prediction Game, it is still not too late.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Mike Watters on May 21, 2008, 05:40PM

Hi Nick

Have sent you a message with my predictions.
Good luck with the tournament.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 22, 2008, 09:36AM


on 1211416849, Mike Watters wrote:

Hi Nick

Have sent you a message with my predictions.
Good luck with the tournament.

All the best
Mike


Hi Mike,

Thanks! I have added your predictions to my last Post.
I still require your Final 8 predictions to complete the chart.

I will start the game reporting on Sunday, therefore there is still time for anyone else who wishes to play the Prediction Game!

This game now has a real international flavor to it ;D

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: alainza on May 22, 2008, 12:59PM

Hi Nick,

I will not participate to your prediction competition because there are too many computers which I don't know, but I wish you all the best for your very interesting tournament.

best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Sargon VI on May 23, 2008, 02:01AM

Hi Nick,

Here are my predictions ,it's very difficult but it's very funny !!

Group I :

1/ Cosmic
2/ Chessman Pro
3/ Keychain Chess
4/ Presto
5/ Mephisto Mini
6/ Topaz
7/ Super Sensor IV
8/ Teufelchen
9/ Kasparov Pocket

Group J :

1/ Mephisto II
2/ Jasper
3/ Schachpartner 2000
4/ Kasparov Traveller
5/ Lexibook Travel
6/ Kasparov Express
7/ Novag Solo
8/ Solar Star
9/ Travel Mate

Group K :

1/ Super 1680 L
2/ Diamond
3/ America II
4/ 8 in 1
5/ America
6/ Chess Master
7/ Schneider Pocket
8/ MK IV
9/ Delta 1

Group L :

1/ Merlin 4k
2/ Intelligent Chess
3/ Constellation Junior
4/ Saitek Avalon
5/ Secondo
6/ Equinox
7/ Kasparov Travel Mate
8/ Novag 4 in 1
9/ Voice Master

Group M :

1/ King Arthur Deluxe
2/ Excalibur 375-2-CS
3/ Enterprise S
4/ Novag Alto
5/ Yeno Travel Chess
6/ Junior Board
7/ Executive Chess
8/ Orion 6 in 1
9/ Disney Castle

Group N :

1/ Supermini
2/ 1750 L
3/ Aquamarine
4/ Viper
5/ Sensor Chess
6/ Computa Chess
7/ Granada
8/ Mattel
9/ Intercontinental

Group O :

1/ 1650
2/ Excalibur 375
3/ Tourmaline
4/ Olympiad
5/ Jupiter
6/ Madison
7/ Micro III
8/ Stratege
9/ 1100 L

Group P :

1/ Novag Touch
2/ Concord
3/ Yeno 430 XT
4/ Schachmeister
5/ Kingmaster Portable
6/ Computachess II
7/ Fidelity Chess Card
8/ Schneider MK 5
9/ SC 2

Group Q :

1/ Mentor 16
2/ 2 in 1 E-Chess
3/ Talking LCD 375 V
4/ Yeno 320 XT
5/ Trekker
6/ Lancer Express
7/ Mk II
8/ Coach Partner
9/ Tandy Computerized

Group R :

1/ Excalibur Deluxe
2/ Aquamarine +
3/ Schachschule
4/ Yeno 301 XL
5/ Allegro
6/ Talking Coach
7/ RS 4 in 1
8/ Calculator Chess
9/ Partner 4000

Group S :

1/ Partner 1680 X
2/ Talking E-Chess
3/ LCD Express
4/ MK 14 Trainer
5/ Yeno 3210 XT
6/ Octo
7/ Chessman
8/ Seville
9/ Chess Mate

Group T :

1/ Go 1650 L
2/ Genesis
3/ Saber III
4/ Yeno 540 XT
5/ Squire
6/ Partner 5000
7/ Schneider MK III
8/ China Pocket
9/ Partner 2000

Quarter Final :

1/ Novag Mentor 16
2/ Saitek Cosmic
3/ Mephisto II
4/ Aquamarine +
5/ Mephisto Supermini
6/ 1750 L
7/ Super 1680 L
8/ King Arthur Deluxe

And the winner will be: Novag Mentor 16 !

May the Force be with you !!

Olivier




;)


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 23, 2008, 05:32PM

[quote author=Sargon VI link=board=1;threadid=1592;start=0#msg11164 date=1211533313]

Here are my predictions ,it's very difficult but it's very funny !!
[/quote]

Hi Oliver,

Thanks! We now have France also playing in the Prediction game ;D

I have added your prediction to picture in my previous Post.

Hmmmm... if only I could figure out how to now add the National Anthems to the Flags :D

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 26, 2008, 10:39AM

Hi everyone,

Group M is complete and here is a report on the first 9 Rounds:

[CENTER][B][SIZE="4"]Round 8 Game - A Surprise ![/SIZE][/B]

[Event "U1400 Green Stage 1 Group M"]
[Site "Active Chess 0:30/1"]
[Date "2008.05.08"]
[Round "7"]
[White "SciSys Executive Chess, LV 3."]
[Black "CXG Enterprise S, LV A7."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A45"]
[WhiteElo "1000"]
[BlackElo "1390"]
[Annotator "Mind,Spacious"]
[PlyCount "168"]
[EventDate "2008.??.??"]
[EventType "tourn (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "18"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[EventCategory "6"]

{SciSys Executive Chess has no book} 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bf4 {
CXG Enterprise S out of book} d6 3. Nc3 Bf5 4. Nf3 Nbd7 5. e3 d5 6. Bd3 e6 7.
Bxf5 exf5 8. O-O h6 9. Qd3 g5 10. Bg3 g4 11. Nd2 Nh5 12. Nxd5 Nxg3 13. hxg3 c6
14. Nc3 Qf6 15. e4 fxe4 16. Ndxe4 Qg6 17. a3 f5 18. Nd2 Be7 19. d5 O-O 20. Rfe1
Nc5 21. Qe3 Bg5 22. Qxc5 Bxd2 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Qd4 Rxe6 25. dxe6 Bxc3 26. bxc3
Qxe6 27. Rb1 b5 28. Rd1 Qa2 29. Qc5 Qxc2 30. Re1 Qd2 31. Rb1 Qd3 32. Rc1 Qd5
33. Qxd5+ cxd5 34. Re1 Rc8 35. Re3 Kf7 36. Kf1 h5 37. Ke2 a5 38. f4 Kf6 39. Kd3
Rc7 40. Kd4 Rc8 41. Kxd5 Kf7 42. Kd6 Rd8+ 43. Kc5 Rb8 44. Re5 Kf6 45. c4 bxc4
46. Kxc4 a4 47. Kd5 Rd8+ 48. Kc6 Rd3 49. Rd5 Rc3+ 50. Kb5 Rxa3 51. Rd6+ Ke7 52.
Rd2 Ra1 53. Rd5 Ke6 54. Re5+ Kf6 55. Kc4 Ra2 56. Kd4 Rxg2 57. Re3


8/8/5k2/5p1p/p2K1Pp1/4R1P1/6r1/8 b - - 0 57

King Arthur and LCD 375-CS-2 required 72 and 73 moves respectively to beat SciSys Executive in the previous rounds. This time SciSys Executive makes life hard for CXG Enterprise S.

At some point CGX Enterprise S needs to push the h-pawn and a-pawn and the game should be won. But here is what happens:

Rd2+ 58. Kc5
Rc2+ 59. Kb4 Ra2 60. Rd3 Ke6 61. Rc3 Kd5 62. Rc5+ Ke6 63. Re5+ Kf6 64. Re3 Ra1
65. Rd3 Ke6 66. Rc3 Kd5 67. Rc5+ Ke6 68. Re5+ Kf6 69. Re3 Ra2 70. Rd3 Ke6 71.
Rc3 Kd5 72. Rc5+ Ke6 73. Re5+ Kf6 74. Re3 Kf7 75. Rd3 Ke6 76. Rc3 Kd5 77. Rc5+
Ke6 78. Re5+ Kf6 79. Re3 Ra1 80. Rd3 Ke6 81. Rc3 Kd5 82. Rc5+ Ke6 83. Re5+ Kf6
84. Re3 Ra2 {Draw by repetition of position} 1/2-1/2

This was a surprisingly good result for SciSys Executive!

A report on the final 9 Rounds of Group M will follow soon....

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 26, 2008, 06:41PM

Here are the results of Rounds 10 - 18 in Group M

[B][SIZE="4"]
Round 17 - The Big Surprise![/SIZE][/B]

[Event "U1400 Green Stage 1 Group M"]
[Site "Active Chess 0:30/1"]
[Date "2008.05.20"]
[Round "17"]
[White "SciSys Executive Chess, LV 3."]
[Black "Novag Alto, LV A3."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "1000"]
[BlackElo "1300"]
[Annotator "Mind,Spacious"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventType "tourn (rapid)"]
[EventRounds "18"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[EventCategory "6"]

{SciSys Executive Chess has no book} 1. Nc3 {Novag Alto out of book} Nc6 2. Nf3
d5 3. e4 d4 4. Nd5 Nf6 5. Nxf6+ exf6 6. Bc4 Be6 7. Bxe6 fxe6 8. O-O Bc5 9. Qe2
O-O 10. Qb5 Bb6 11. e5 fxe5 12. Nxe5 a6 13. Qe2 Qd5 14. Nxc6 Qxc6 15. d3 Rad8
16. Bg5 Rd7 17. Rfe1 h6 18. Bh4 Re8 19. a4 e5 20. b4 Qe6 21. f4 a5 22. Qf3 axb4
23. Rxe5 Qf7 24. Rxe8+ Qxe8 25. a5 Qa8 26. a6 c6 27. Ra4 bxa6 28. Rxb4 Ba7 29.
f5 a5 30. Rb5


q5k1/b2r2p1/2p4p/pR3P2/3p3B/3P1Q2/2P3PP/6K1 b - - 0 30

SciSys Executive has the advantage but with 30. ... Rd5! everything is still up in the air but here is what Novag Alto plays.....

g5??

This move was bad. Now SciSys Executive can finally show that it also has the tools to beat a good opponent.

31. fxg6 a4 32. Bf6 a3 33. Ra5 Qf8 34. Qxc6 Qd6 35. Qc8+ Rd8
36. Qxd8+ Qxd8 37. Bxd8 Bb8 38. Bb6 Bf4 39. Bxd4 Bd6 40. Ra8+ Bf8 41. g7 Kh7
42. gxf8=Q h5 43. Qg7# 1-0

SciSys Executive playing at Level 3 was for me the biggest surprise in the Group. It played all it's games tough and fully deserves this win against Novag Alto.

best regards

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 26, 2008, 07:59PM

Hi everyone,

An now finally here are the Final Standings and Stats for Group M.









I think Excalibur LCD Chess Model 375-CS-2 has shown that it fully deserves to be Champion of Group M.

Also great comeback by CXG Enterprise S to finish in Second Place after a disasterous first nine rounds!









And finally here is the current Scorecard for the Prediction Game.








All the best ;D

Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Mike Watters on May 28, 2008, 04:14PM

Hi Nick

Great work !!

I do like those results. ;D

Tom fooled me with the Scisys Executive. A little while ago he posted games that were so woeful that I thought only Mickey and Donald could possibly be worse. In one game Executive was a Queen, Rook and a few other pieces up and still could not checkmate a King hiding behind one pawn. But I guess you see a few such games.

It's a marathon not a sprint regards
Mike


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 28, 2008, 05:49PM


on 1212016489, Mike Watters wrote:

Hi Nick

Great work !!

I do like those results. ;D

Tom fooled me with the Scisys Executive. A little while ago he posted games that were so woeful that I thought only Mickey and Donald could possibly be worse. In one game Executive was a Queen, Rook and a few other pieces up and still could not checkmate a King hiding behind one pawn. But I guess you see a few such games.

It's a marathon not a sprint regards
Mike


Hi Mike,

Yes I wondered if Tom's Fritz 1 Ply games have influenced some of the picks ;D I believe Tom plays most of his games at 10sec/move which can be misleading when comparing to 30sec/move.

As you can see from the example against Novag Alto, SciSys Executive is capable of finding a checkmate


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 29, 2008, 07:06PM

Hi everyone,

Hans-Juergen has completed Group I in a world record time ;D Here are the results....

[CENTER][B][SIZE="4"][U]2008 U1400 Active Chess Green Group I Champion[/U][/SIZE][/B]




There is no question that Saitek Cosmos thoroughly lived up to the pre-match predictions for it to win Group I.


[CENTER][B][SIZE="4"][U]2008 U1400 Active Chess Green Group I Runner-Up[/U][/SIZE][/B]




Lexibook Chessman Pro also showed that it is worthy of it's second place finish in Group I.

[B][CENTER][SIZE="4"][U]Here is the U1400 Green Group I Final Table and interim Tables[/U][/SIZE][/CENTER][/B]

[CENTER]






[B][CENTER][SIZE="4"][U]Group I Statistics[/U][/SIZE][/CENTER][/B]

[CENTER]


And here are the results of our Prediction Game for Group I:


[B][CENTER][SIZE="4"][U]Group I Predictions[/U][/SIZE][/CENTER][/B]

[CENTER]

[B][CENTER][SIZE="4"][U]Group I Scorecard[/U][/SIZE][/CENTER][/B]

[CENTER]

I am hoping that Hans-Juergen will post a little about his experiences in Group I. More chinese water torture might be required .... ;D

All the best,

Hans-Juergen and Nick


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: Mike Watters on May 31, 2008, 08:46AM

Thanks for the results Nick and well done Hans- Juergen. How do you manage to play 72 games that fast?

My prediction for the least predictable group is L.

Prediction crazy regards
Mike


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Title: Re:U1400 Green Tournament 2008
Post by: spacious_mind on May 31, 2008, 10:06AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1592;start=0#msg11201 date=1212248800]
Thanks for the results Nick and well done Hans- Juergen. How do you manage to play 72 games that fast?

My prediction for the least predictable group is L.

Prediction crazy regards
Mike
[/quote]

Hi Mike,
You might be right Group L. Group N looks like being unbelievable crazy too ;D. But I will keep quiet for now until all the games have been played ;)

I think Hans-Juergen has 8 hands what do you call that Octopedal or Octopus?.. lol :D

All the best

Nick



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