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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: fiocri on May 26, 2008, 02:09AM
	

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Title: ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: fiocri on May 26, 2008, 02:09AM

Yesterday i bought the Lexibook - ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic. It is very faster than the Travel Chess
Explorer (Lexibook). On the packaging are declared Elo 1800 but i'm sure that it's not the real
strenght (is weaker). Does anyone know any more?


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Overtom on May 26, 2008, 03:40AM

It's not a very well-known computer. I found no information about it on the Internet.

If it is based on the click (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngLexTC.html]Travel chess Explorer[/url], it could be an interesting program. Not a champion, but out of four games it played against Fritz-one-ply, it beat Fritz twice ([url=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngLexTC.html)).

I'm quite curious to see what it looks like. If you happen to have a picture, please publish it here, or you could send it to my email address (to be found if you click my name) and I'll post it.

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: fiocri on May 26, 2008, 06:21AM

One or two days and i’ll sent you the photos of the ChessMan.
It played three games versus the Travel Chess Explorer (wins 2 and lose 1 but i noticed that the levels between these 2 machines are different because the ChessMan has response time more shorter. I will test it versus the Obsidian and the Expert Travel Chess (1 second for move for these chessboards).


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Overtom on May 26, 2008, 08:31AM

[quote author=fiocri link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11175 date=1211808066]
One or two days and i’ll sent you the photos of the ChessMan.
It played three games versus the Travel Chess Explorer (wins 2 and lose 1 but i noticed that the levels between these 2 machines are different because the ChessMan has response time more shorter. I will test it versus the Obsidian and the Expert Travel Chess (1 second for move for these chessboards).
[/quote]
The games against Expert travel and Obsidian will not be very hard to predict. I'm afraid Chessman Cl(oops!)ic won't have a ghost of a chance.

At least I would be greatly surprised if they couldn't make mincemeat of the Lexibook machine ::)

With commiserating regards,

tom

P.S. ... but still I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Tom on May 26, 2008, 09:01AM

[quote author=fiocri link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11173 date=1211792975]
Yesterday i bought the Lexibook - ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic. It is very faster than the Travel Chess
Explorer (Lexibook). On the packaging are declared Elo 1800 but i'm sure that it's not the real
strenght (is weaker). Does anyone know any more?
[/quote]

It's incredible how many chess computers there are. There seems to be no end to the list. Nearly every day someone else appears with another specimen.
"ChessMan" - I've never heard that name.
I'm curious about how your new computer behaves in direct competition with others no matter how strong it is.


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: fiocri on May 27, 2008, 09:13AM

http://www.iplanete-jouets.com/art,15790,lexibook-cg1410-chessman-cl(oops!)ique.htm# (http://www.iplanete-jouets.com/art,15790,lexibook-cg1410-chessman-cl(oops!)ique.htm#)


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Overtom on May 27, 2008, 10:53AM

Since Fiocri sent me a few pictures of his computer, I'll show one here:



I agree there is a much larger choice of chess computers than many a layman could imagine.

And I am surprised as well that there is still such a constant influx of new ones ::)

With best regards,

tom

(For one reason or other I (oops!)umed Fiocri's first name was Tom ???)


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: spacious_mind on May 27, 2008, 05:47PM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11182 date=1211910800]
Since Tom sent me a few pictures of his computer, I'll show one here:



I agree there is a much larger choice of chess computers than many a layman could imagine.

And I am surprised as well that there is still such a constant influx of new ones ::)

With best regards,

tom


[/quote]

Hi Tom,

Nice photo, this machine looks very attractive.

Regards

Nick


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: fiocri on May 27, 2008, 10:00PM

The chessboard and the photo are mine... >:(


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Jose on May 28, 2008, 04:02AM

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11183 date=1211935660]
[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11182 date=1211910800]
Since Tom sent me a few pictures of his computer, I'll show one here:



I agree there is a much larger choice of chess computers than many a layman could imagine.

And I am surprised as well that there is still such a constant influx of new ones ::)

With best regards,

tom


[/quote]

Hi Tom,

Nice photo, this machine looks very attractive.

Regards

Nick
[/quote]


Never saw before!? Is that machine a new one? it looks different to all computers before - it looks really nice i must say, because i am not a friend from lexibook ;)

Best José


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Tom on May 28, 2008, 08:51AM

I like the layout of this chess computer. Very elegant. As fiocri said in the starting post the company claims the elo to rank at 1800 for this device. Normally they overdo it a little in order that people buy it quicker. Perhaps you can let another computer which has a tested elo of 1800 play against it and from the results you can derive the probable elo of ChessMan.

@Overtom: there is only ONE real Tom on this forum!!! No discussion! ;)


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Overtom on May 28, 2008, 09:50AM

[quote author=Tom link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11186 date=1211989888]
I like the layout of this chess computer. Very elegant. As fiocri said in the starting post the company claims the elo to rank at 1800 for this device. Normally they overdo it a little in order that people buy it quicker. Perhaps you can let another computer which has a tested elo of 1800 play against it and from the results you can derive the probable elo of ChessMan.

@Overtom: there is only ONE real Tom on this forum!!! No discussion! ;)
[/quote]

Well, that shouldn't be too difficult. The Wiki Elo list gives us the following computers from 1790 to 1810:

Novag Forte A 6502 5 MHz 1809
Conchess Plymate 6502 5.5 MHz 1808
Scisys Turbo King 6502 5 MHz 1806
Saitek Simultano C 6502 5 MHz 1806
Saitek Corona C 6502 5 MHz 1806
Fidelity Excellence 6502 4 MHz 1801
Scisys Turbostar 540 6502 5 MHz 1800
Excalibur Igor H8 12 MHz 1800
Krypton Challenge H8 10 MHz 1800
Krypton Regency H8 10 MHz 1800
Krypton Grandmaster H8 10 MHz 1800
CXG Sphinx Acolade H8 10 MHz 1800
CXG Sphinx Concerto H8 10 MHz 1800
CXG Sphinx Legend H8 10 MHz 1800
Mephisto MM II + HG240 6502 3.7 MHz 1790
Excalibur Mirage H8 10 MHz 1790

But I wouldn't be surprised if they all beat the Chessman Cl(oops!)ic ;)

Best regards,

tom

By the way, there are a few others who sign their messages with Tom.


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Tom on May 28, 2008, 01:46PM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11187 date=1211993433]
Well, that shouldn't be too difficult. The Wiki Elo list gives us the following computers from 1790 to 1810:

Novag Forte A 6502 5 MHz 1809
Conchess Plymate 6502 5.5 MHz 1808
Scisys Turbo King 6502 5 MHz 1806
Saitek Simultano C 6502 5 MHz 1806
Saitek Corona C 6502 5 MHz 1806
Fidelity Excellence 6502 4 MHz 1801
Scisys Turbostar 540 6502 5 MHz 1800
Excalibur Igor H8 12 MHz 1800
Krypton Challenge H8 10 MHz 1800
Krypton Regency H8 10 MHz 1800
Krypton Grandmaster H8 10 MHz 1800
CXG Sphinx Acolade H8 10 MHz 1800
CXG Sphinx Concerto H8 10 MHz 1800
CXG Sphinx Legend H8 10 MHz 1800
Mephisto MM II + HG240 6502 3.7 MHz 1790
Excalibur Mirage H8 10 MHz 1790

But I wouldn't be surprised if they all beat the Chessman Cl(oops!)ic ;)

Best regards,

tom

[/quote]

Fine. Are there any games between ChessMan and any computer of the list done and available? If so, how are the results? Can you evaluate the playing strength of ChessMan so far?


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: Overtom on May 28, 2008, 02:33PM

[quote author=Tom link=board=1;threadid=1600;start=0#msg11189 date=1212007561]
Fine. Are there any games between ChessMan and any computer of the list done and available? If so, how are the results? Can you evaluate the playing strength of ChessMan so far?
[/quote]
We'll have to await for Fiocri to play the games. So far, the computer is only in his possession.

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:ChessMan Cl(oops!)ic
Post by: fiocri on May 31, 2008, 12:16AM

I made other 2 games: ChessMan-Travel Chess Explorer 1 min/move with res. 1-1. I'll made other games but i see the ChessMan more likely. The ChessMan anyway has response time more faster than the Travel (i must set the ChessMan at 3 min/move for attempt to synchronize response time with the 1 min/move of the Travel). Both have a very small opening book.



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