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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Overtom on May 31, 2008, 04:57AM
	

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Title: another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Overtom on May 31, 2008, 04:57AM

About four weeks ago a TASC computer was sold at eBay.



The computer was bought by the Overtom Museum (http://overtom.nl/EngStart.html). After playing two dozen games, I wrote a little weblog about it (http://weblog.overtom.nl).

A second weblog (which I hope to be able to write tomorrow) will be about the games between TASC and three opponents: Fritz-5-ply, Milano Pro and Saphhire 2. The games were even better than I expected ...

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Mike Watters on May 31, 2008, 08:29AM

Hello Tom

Congratulations on acquiring The King of chess computers.
Have you beaten it yet. ???

Your weblog reads as if you were almost expecting problems with the post. :-\

Is half-shackled Fritz about right?

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Overtom on June 1, 2008, 05:12AM

Hi Mike,

Unfortunately, we both know al too well I had a few problems with the post ;D :( But this time I expected the problems to come from the seller - or better: nothing to come from the seller :o

Anyway, the three matches TASC played robbed me (not entirely against my will) of at least 24 hours of spare time. But I must say it was worth it. A few games can be seen at http://overtom.nl/weblog

For strong computers Fritz-five-ply is definitely a better option than Fritz in first gear. But still it is not ideal. It does, however, create a reasonably objective kind of yardstick.

By the way, I think I saw a photo on your site that showed no fewer than two Tasc computers.

Or was the second one the highly desired R40?

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Tom on June 2, 2008, 09:37AM

@Overtom: I congratulate you on your deal. You seemed to be really lucky!

The photo of your Tasc-system looks pretty good and sort of beguiling. Do you have kind of a photo studio that enables you to take such beautiful images?

My Mephisto Atlanta isn't as strong as the Tasc-system, all right, but compare the prices! For less than 400 Euros people can buy an Atlanta if one happens to appear in supply. And the programme of the Atlanta is also Dutch. Isn't that strange that really good chess programmes were written by Dutch people?

Although my Atlanta can't compare with the Tasc system it is strong enough to confront everyone with hard and difficult games which most of us can't win. The same is true with the Milano Pro alias Master Chess and many other chess computers. So there's no need to shed any tears for not possessing a Tasc system.

The Dutch people seem to have an extraordinarily positive attitude towards chess, or am I mistaken?

Not long ago I visited Den Haag, Dortrecht and Amsterdam when I was on my way to England and must say, Holland is a really nice place to be.


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Overtom on June 2, 2008, 02:57PM


on 1212424631, Tom wrote:

@Overtom: I congratulate you on your deal. You seemed to be really lucky!

The photo of your Tasc-system looks pretty good and sort of beguiling. Do you have kind of a photo studio that enables you to take such beautiful images?

My Mephisto Atlanta isn't as strong as the Tasc-system, all right, but compare the prices! For less than 400 Euros people can buy an Atlanta if one happens to appear in supply. And the programme of the Atlanta is also Dutch. Isn't that strange that really good chess programmes were written by Dutch people?

Although my Atlanta can't compare with the Tasc system it is strong enough to confront everyone with hard and difficult games which most of us can't win. The same is true with the Milano Pro alias Master Chess and many other chess computers. So there's no need to shed any tears for not possessing a Tasc system.

The Dutch people seem to have an extraordinarily positive attitude towards chess, or am I mistaken?

Not long ago I visited Den Haag, Dortrecht and Amsterdam when I was on my way to England and must say, Holland is a really nice place to be.

Thanks for the congrats, Tom. I must say it was quite gratifying to be able to procure this computer for the museum. And thanks for the compliments about a country that should have been flooded long ago, which may be a reason to appreciate it specially - as an alternative Atlantis.

I also sometimes wonder why there are a relatively large number of chess programmers in the Netherlands. Amongst the names of chess programmers at Wiki I see: Eric Van Riet Paap, Johan de Koning, Ed Schröder, Frans Morsch, indeed all inhabitants of the low countries. You'll understand I'm somewhat ashamed for being Dutch and not managing to put any intelligence into my chess applet.

But the Tasc cost me 1200 Euros, which is an awful lot of money, but a Dutch museum should at least have one Dutch exhibit (as long as Ruud Martin doesn't offer the museum a discount to buy a second one ;D). By the way, I would not be surpsrised if some people did not bid for fear it might be another scam.


I take it that the Atlanta is another Morsch computer. I have at least a dozen Morsch computers. But I never had a Johan-de-Koning one (only the program Chessmaster). Maybe it is his style, or may be it's just that I'm not familiar with the way his programs play, but I like the programs by Johan de Koning somewhat better than the Morsch programs, which play like robotic killers.

The Tasc photos have not been photoshopped or taken at a studio. I take most photos on a kind of walkway at the back of my apartment, but preferably not in direct sunlight because I don'y like harsh shadows. To be honest, I am not very much pleased with the Tasc photos, but I did not want to drag the computer (including its power supply) outside. So this one was done on a piece of cardboard spread out on a rather sizable dinner table. But one day I may perhaps try to make better photos than pictures like this:



As far as the Dutch positive attitude towards chess is concerned, that could be true. Ever since Max Euwe became world champion in 1935 (and was a highly appreciated Fide president) the Dutch seem to have something with chess. I wonder if this isn't the same mechanism why the Soviet Union produced so many good chess players: there was so little entertainment that people had to amuse themselves with a checkered plank and three dozen pieces of wood (including two white and two black spare queens).

But this explanation may be somewhat far-fetched and I'm ready to exchange it for a better one.

With best regards,

tom




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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Mike Watters on June 3, 2008, 04:45PM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1602;start=0#msg11203 date=1212322366]

[size=2]By the way, I think I saw a photo on your site that showed no fewer than two Tasc computers.

Or was the second one the highly desired R40?

Best regards,

tom[/size]
[/quote]

Sadly it is not an R40 Tom. The other R30 is now in Germany (as far as I know). So just one Tasc here. The Tasc has it's own Dutch case as well. Dutch chess computer, Dutch programmer, Dutch case, English manual. ;)

Lack of entertainment has to be the correct explanation imho. ;D

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Tom on June 6, 2008, 07:14AM

@Overtom: Thank you for disclosing how you are producing your photographs. The Tasc machine really looks noble and racy.

As far as I can recognize every square of the board has four LEDs in the corners. Is that right? So when you move a piece I guess your Tasc computer displays alternatingly the starting square and the target square.

The display unit seems to not only contain the processors but also to operate as a chess clock, since it has two buttons on its top.

I can imagine that the possibilities of this rich computer to play chess must be nearly endless.


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: the6thDimension on July 4, 2008, 04:59AM

There were 2 types of Tasc's.Some had 4 LED lights surrounding each square and another type has two lights on each square that would light up.Also,some units has a 2.2 processor chip and others had a 2.5 processor chip,with a larger book as well.The buttons on the top were indeed used as an optional clock.
I know,I own one presently and paid dearly for it when it first came out in the mid 1990's.Paid around $2000 US!
Still plays an excellent game.,and is probably rated around 2500 or so.
I was wondering what the Tasc as you mentioned sold for on Ebay?I'm looking to sell or swap mine for a Phantom 6126 Eyeball.


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Robert Weck on July 5, 2008, 12:10AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1602;start=0#msg11208 date=1212536733]
The other R30 is now in Germany (as far as I know)
[/quote]
Yes, it is... ;)


Robert


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: the6thDimension on July 5, 2008, 06:43AM


As far as I can recognize every square of the board has four LEDs in the corners. Is that right?

As a Tasc R-30 owner,just for the records,very early versions of the tasc R-30 DID NOT have LED's on every corner.My friend bought one in Germany in the mid 90's and it was identical to mine except it had LED's that existed on only 1 side of the square...I seen it for myself and didn't believe it at first!But its true.Mine,has the four LED's.


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: Robert Weck on July 5, 2008, 09:04AM


on 1215265385, the6thDimension wrote:


As far as I can recognize every square of the board has four LEDs in the corners. Is that right?

As a Tasc R-30 owner,just for the records,very early versions of the tasc R-30 DID NOT have LED's on every corner.My friend bought one in Germany in the mid 90's and it was identical to mine except it had LED's that existed on only 1 side of the square...I seen it for myself and didn't believe it at first!But its true.Mine,has the four LED's.

the board with 4 LED's per square is the SB30 (SB standing for (S)mart(B)oard) compatible with R30 2.2 and 2.5, the other is the SB20 with one LED per square (is only working with version 2.5)


http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/Smartboard (http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/Smartboard)


Robert


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Title: Re:another TASC sold at eBay
Post by: the6thDimension on July 6, 2008, 08:22AM

Thanks about 4 and 1 led vs/tasc on the squares.Funny they did that,because i would (oops!)ume most players would desire the entire square to be lit up,rather than part of it when it responded.In a blitz game I would imagine that for a brief moment,the piece to be moved might be confused with the piece next to it with 1 led being within the proximity of the adjacent square.
Also,on a different note....I wonder if the Tasc R-30 will ever dramatically go up in value in the next 10 years or so?



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