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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Overtom on June 30, 2008, 07:14AM
	

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Title: Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: Overtom on June 30, 2008, 07:14AM

You'll probably be familiar with the vocal utterings of Fidelity's Chess Challenger Voice.



Since today you'll have the chance to hear it in three languages:

English (http://overtom.nl/chescom/EngCCVVEn.html)
German (http://overtom.nl/chescom/EngCCVVDu.html)
French (http://overtom.nl/chescom/EngCCVVFr.html)

To be honest, I could not exactly make out what the French version was saying, but thanks to Alain, that problem was quickly solved.

With best regards,

tom

P.S. If anybody is willing to supply versions in other languages, don't hesitate to come forward ::)


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: mychess on June 30, 2008, 01:00PM

Hello,

It's time to point out that Fidelity with the voice to speak french five and seven in the same way.
Do you know a French Fidelity Voice which distinguishes between five and seven?
Mychess


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: Overtom on June 30, 2008, 01:49PM

[quote author=mychess link=board=1;threadid=1618;start=0#msg11265 date=1214856012]
Hello,

It's time to point out that Fidelity with the voice to speak french five and seven in the same way.
Do you know a French Fidelity Voice which distinguishes between five and seven?
Mychess
[/quote]
Hi Mychess,

I listened to the the French voice (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCVVFr.html), but I can't say cinq sounds the same as sept to my ears.

Or do I misunderstand you?

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: alainza on June 30, 2008, 09:37PM

Hi Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1618;start=0#msg11266 date=1214858970]
[quote author=mychess link=board=1;threadid=1618;start=0#msg11265 date=1214856012]
It's time to point out that Fidelity with the voice to speak french five and seven in the same way.
[/quote]
I listened to the the French voice (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCVVFr.html), but I can't say cinq sounds the same as sept to my ears.

Or do I misunderstand you?
[/quote]
no, you did not misunderstand Mychess : indeed, the way "cinq" and "sept" of the CC are quite close (the "cinq" being a bit distorted), but I don't think they are identical and ear them differently.

Of course, a "real" test would be to play all these numbers randomly because after "deux, trois, quatre" we expect a "cinq".

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: Overtom on July 1, 2008, 04:39AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1618;start=0#msg11267 date=1214887023]
Hi Tom,
no, you did not misunderstand Mychess : indeed, the way "cinq" and "sept" of the CC are quite close (the "cinq" being a bit distorted), but I don't think they are identical and ear them differently.

Of course, a "real" test would be to play all these numbers randomly because after "deux, trois, quatre" we expect a "cinq".

Best regards,
Alain
[/quote]
your wish is my command, Alain ...

First a graphical representation of the last three numerals (made by WavePad):



It's clear to see that cinq and sept have different shapes.

I also cut cinq and sept out of the soundtrack and pasted them into a new file, which can be heard here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~anana/deuxNumeraux.html).

I agree with you that the pronunciation is unclear and far from standard. But on the other hand, I find it hard to believe that anybody could claim these two words sound the same. For my study, I had to do a few examinations in phonology, but I suppose I'm not the only one to hear the difference.

With regards distingués,

tom


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: alainza on July 1, 2008, 11:58AM

Hi Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1618;start=0#msg11268 date=1214912377]
First a graphical representation of the last three numerals (made by WavePad):



It's clear to see that cinq and sept have different shapes.

I also cut cinq and sept out of the soundtrack and pasted them into a new file, which can be heard here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~anana/deuxNumeraux.html).
[/quote]
Great demonstration !

[quote]
I agree with you that the pronunciation is unclear and far from standard. But on the other hand, I find it hard to believe that anybody could claim these two words sound the same. For my study, I had to do a few examinations in phonology, but I suppose I'm not the only one to hear the difference.
[/quote]
yes, I too hear the difference, it is simply that the 5 is really strange and closer to 7 than a real 5 (May be I should record "my version" of these numbers and use wavepad ?)

Thanks for the time taken for this "study",
Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: mychess on July 1, 2008, 02:04PM

Hello,

I continue to criticize the voice of my budapest ;-)

The 1 has the same sound than E.
When you play F1-B5, my Budapest pronounce it FE-B7 !!!
I have tested with 3 witnesses, and they are agreed with me.
And it is not a troll.
One more, the Budapest speak "roque petit", but in French we say "petit roque" (the inversion exist, but it is a literal style).
Mychess


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: Overtom on July 2, 2008, 03:20AM

As far as Mychess's message is concerned, if your comment only applies to the Budapest, I cannot very well respond to that because I have no such machine at my disposal. But if you could provide a file, we could enjoy the sound bites and could even try to make an analysis with WavePad. Or are the voice chips of Budapest and CCV identical? Google appears to agree with you in the sense that "petit roque" is the regular expression. I wonder if we should conclude that Ron Nelson hired a Frenchman with a rather poetic trait?

As to Alain's words "that the 5 is really strange and closer to 7 than a real 5", does this refer to the sequence 2,3,4,5,6,7 as heard at the this page (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCVVFr.html]CCV page[/url] or were you referring to the two isolated numerals heard at [url=http://www.xs4all.nl/~anana/deuxNumeraux.html)? In the latter case it should be noted that, as you requested, the two isolated numbers are positioned in reverse order, so: 7 5

With euphonic regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: alainza on July 2, 2008, 12:41PM

Hi Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=1618;start=0#msg11271 date=1214994037]
As to Alain's words "that the 5 is really strange and closer to 7 than a real 5", does this refer to the sequence 2,3,4,5,6,7 as heard at the
[/quote]
may be my sentence was not clear : the 5 in your file is not closer to the 7 than it is to a real 5, it is closer to the 7 than a real 5 is (I hope this explanation is better ???).

Best regards,
Alain

PS : for the budapest, I can't say, mine says Fünf and Sieben ;)


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Title: Re:Multilingual Chess Challenger
Post by: Overtom on July 2, 2008, 02:43PM

I see, Alain, what this teaches me, is that neither of us cares for confusion.

Fortunately, I found out today that click (http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/masters.html]wavePad[/url] is capable of doing all kinds of nice things, such as change the amplitude and the bitrate. So now the sound is much louder, but the files are less than half the size they were yesterday ([url=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCVVDu.html]click[/url], [url=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCVVEn.html]click[/url], [url=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCVVFr.html)).

Thanks for your sensible remarks,

tom



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