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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Overtom on September 29, 2008, 11:02AM
	

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Title: End of an interesting site
Post by: Overtom on September 29, 2008, 11:02AM

I have the impression that one notorious chess computer site has closed. Alte Schachcomputer (http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de/), a site that most of us will know, showed this picture:



I wish i had better news ...

Sad regards,

tom


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: Mike Watters on September 29, 2008, 11:53AM

That is a big shame Tom. It is a site I have visited very many times for information, manuals and just to have a look around. Willi had been selling quite a few of his collection and the site had closed on occasions but I did not see this coming.

Is there another way to access the information or is that it?

I tried to look at Kurt Kispert's original website on "chello" the other day and that had gone also.

Got to keep going regards
Mike


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: Overtom on September 29, 2008, 03:16PM

Hi Mike,

on 1222714392, Mike Watters wrote:

That is a big shame Tom. It is a site I have visited very many times for information, manuals and just to have a look around. Willi had been selling quite a few of his collection and the site had closed on occasions but I did not see this coming.

Is there another way to access the information or is that it?

I tried to look at Kurt Kispert's original website on "chello" the other day and that had gone also.

Got to keep going regards
Mike

I'm afraid we'll have to find our information at this page (http://www.chesscomputeruk.com]Chess computer UK[/url] and other good sites.

I don't know the whats or whys of Kurt's demise. I was just checking the links at my [url=http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/Englinks.html]link page[/url].

Hope all is well enough with you to keep you and your site going

All the best,

tom

P.S. By the way we are not accidentally talking about [url=http://www.schachcomputer.at/index.htm), are we?


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: marko on September 29, 2008, 06:05PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1673;start=0#msg11515 date=1222714392]
That is a big shame Tom. It is a site I have visited very many times for information, manuals and just to have a look around. Willi had been selling quite a few of his collection and the site had closed on occasions but I did not see this coming.

Is there another way to access the information or is that it?

I tried to look at Kurt Kispert's original website on "chello" the other day and that had gone also.

Got to keep going regards
Mike
[/quote]

You might try the Internet Archive Wayback site:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de/ (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de/)


Best regards,
Marko


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: Mike Watters on September 30, 2008, 03:09AM

Many thanks for that link marko !!

Hi Tom. Hopefully Kurt will keep his site up for a long time to come, even though he doesn't seem to do anything with it these days. No, I was interested in the earlier versions of his website that used to be available but have recently closed. Thanks to marko's link you can still see at least some of it.

eg http://web.archive.org/web/20000522121714/http://members.teleweb.at/kispert/homepage.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20000522121714/http://members.teleweb.at/kispert/homepage.htm)

Yes I am OK thanks and I very much hope you are too. Now that Autumn is here I'm thinking about chess stuff again. I see that the famous Overtom Museum is now approaching 400 entries. Is there to be a celebration weblog soon?

Got to keep going regards
Mike


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: bobosse on October 1, 2008, 12:08PM

The main problem: there was interesting user manuals available on line at that site (and only in that place).
They were mainly in German but it helps.
For instance - the mephisto ones including the London update description.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040309073814/www.alte-schachcomputer.de/bdamephisto.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040309073814/www.alte-schachcomputer.de/bdamephisto.htm)

Unfortunatly, I never made a copy and now, everything is gone.
Does anybody know if a copy is available somewhere ?


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: alainza on October 5, 2008, 09:40AM

Hello

[quote author=bobosse link=board=1;threadid=1673;start=0#msg11522 date=1222888101]
The main problem: there was interesting user manuals available on line at that site (and only in that place).
They were mainly in German but it helps.
For instance - the mephisto ones including the London update description.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040309073814/www.alte-schachcomputer.de/bdamephisto.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20040309073814/www.alte-schachcomputer.de/bdamephisto.htm)

Unfortunatly, I never made a copy and now, everything is gone.
Does anybody know if a copy is available somewhere ?
[/quote]
I had once or twice downloaded everything on this site, but I cannot publish these manuals without the site owner's permission.
Anyway, this is not the first time the site is marked as closed, so may be it will be back ?

best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: Robert Weck on October 6, 2008, 02:01AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1673;start=0#msg11545 date=1223224816]
I had once or twice downloaded everything on this site, but I cannot publish these manuals without the site owner's permission.
[/quote]
hmm, interesting question: can somebody have a copyright on a scanned manual? I doubt that...

The only copyright owner should be the company, that made it resp. the computer.

And btw.: He did not scan all of these manuals himself (maybe not even one; i don't know!); at least the manual of the Designer series was scanned and supplied by me! (which he did not mention on his site!)

And i also sent him the scanned manual of the Roma II, but here i am not sure, wether he offered it for download.


best regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: alainza on October 6, 2008, 11:59PM

Hi Robert,

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=1673;start=0#msg11547 date=1223283700]
[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1673;start=0#msg11545 date=1223224816]
I had once or twice downloaded everything on this site, but I cannot publish these manuals without the site owner's permission.
[/quote]
hmm, interesting question: can somebody have a copyright on a scanned manual? I doubt that...
[/quote]
this is not a question of copyright but of "correctness" : I would not appreciate if somebody downloaded all the manuals from my site to publish them elsewhere without a word (many people sent manuals to me but I can tell you that I scanned almost all manuals I got with my own computers) , and this is also the reason why I mention the names of people who sent me manuals.

And I don't think he published manuals got from my site before closing his.
Right now, I would not be confortable publishing his manuals.

best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: Mike Watters on October 7, 2008, 04:33AM

Yes I can understand how you feel Alain.

If I ever closed down my website I would not like to think that useful information was going to waste. So if this is a permanent closure perhaps someone in the German community will ask Willi for agreement to transfer the information.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:End of an interesting site
Post by: Robert Weck on October 7, 2008, 06:20AM

Hi Alain,

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1673;start=0#msg11554 date=1223362774]
this is not a question of copyright but of "correctness" : I would not appreciate if somebody downloaded all the manuals from my site to publish them elsewhere without a word
[/QUOTE]
ok, i understand!

And i can promise you, that all the manuals, that i sent you, were scanned by myself!


keep up the good work!
Robert
[/quote]



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