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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: yuste07 on January 11, 2009, 11:45AM
	

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Title: Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: yuste07 on January 11, 2009, 11:45AM

Hello everybody,

I have a dude, I own a Radio Shack champion 2250XL and I'm trying change the opening book style, for example "active book". I done but the problem is that my computer think in the first movement. (1. e4 and computer thinking)

A Similar problem happen in p(oops!)ive book and tournament book. Is it possible? Is that Radio Shack 2250XL only have one opening book (full)? or my computer is broken?

yuste07

:) :)


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: Robert Weck on January 12, 2009, 01:59AM

[quote author=yuste07 link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11864 date=1231703144]
Hello everybody,

I have a dude, I own a Radio Shack champion 2250XL and I'm trying change the opening book style, for example "active book". I done but the problem is that my computer think in the first movement. (1. e4 and computer thinking)

A Similar problem happen in p(oops!)ive book and tournament book. Is it possible? Is that Radio Shack 2250XL only have one opening book (full)? or my computer is broken?

yuste07

:) :)
[/quote]

the good news:
no, it's not broken! ;D

the bad news:
it's a bug in the 2250XL program! You can't use any other than the default book...


Robert


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: hypersonic on January 12, 2009, 02:28AM

Hi,
Yes similar to what Rob said.
The 2250XL does have a bug that simply means the book is either 'ON' or 'OFF'.
When set to 'Full Book' it has 20,000 moves to play with - not to shabby.
When 'OFF' it starts from scratch.
When set to one of the other modes (Tournament, Active, P(oops!)ive), it seems to revert to 'OFF'.
However this hasn't been thoroughly tested. It 'may' display subtle hints of the other modes, but so weakly as to not be really seen.. Who knows?

Despite this, the 2250XL is a quirky machine with its own distinct & unique character, that sets it apart such that no Saitek counterpart has ever really been confirmed.
It has been seen to beat machines (with same game settings), seemingly far stronger. - Its seems to have had a sprinkling of 'bespoke dust', from either Saitek on behalf of RS, or by RS themselves (doubtful). But it is RS's Flagship chess board.

Enjoy.



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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: yuste07 on January 12, 2009, 05:47AM

Is very curious this machine. Is true that RS 2250XL have 20.000 mov in the opening library?

Anybody had compared the opening library with other openings books of GK-2100 clones, for example Cougar, TC100, Centurion, etc...?

Thank you for ours answers,

Salu2

yuste07 :) :)


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: marko on January 12, 2009, 09:33AM

[quote author=yuste07 link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11864 date=1231703144]
Hello everybody,

I have a dude, I own a Radio Shack champion 2250XL and I'm trying change the opening book style, for example "active book". I done but the problem is that my computer think in the first movement. (1. e4 and computer thinking)

A Similar problem happen in p(oops!)ive book and tournament book. Is it possible? Is that Radio Shack 2250XL only have one opening book (full)? or my computer is broken?

yuste07

:) :)
[/quote]

Hi yuste07,

Make sure that the 2250XL is not in the "Study Position" mode. You can reset the 2250XL by sticking a paperclip into the ACL hole in the bottom of the computer.

Best regards,
Marko


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: hypersonic on January 12, 2009, 12:12PM

Hi Marko,
So does sticking a pin in the reset, actually kick-start the other Book modes to work??

Yes Yuste07 the 2250XL has a 20,000 book.

Is most definately isn't a Cougar or GK-2100. I've owned both, & they both have quite different programatic options, & both lost to the 2250XL nearly every time.

Al


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: Robert Weck on January 12, 2009, 02:00PM

[quote author=hypersonic link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11875 date=1231791166]
Is most definately isn't a Cougar or GK-2100. I've owned both, & they both have quite different programatic options, & both lost to the 2250XL nearly every time.
[/quote]
I would call it a "close relative" ;)

Some points:
If you play 1.f3, GK2100 and RS2250 both reach 8 resp. 9 plies after 36 resp. 193 secs.

And if you compare the BT2630 results (Saitek President/GK2100) you can see it clearly...
http://www.schachcomputer.info/BT2630-1024.htm (http://www.schachcomputer.info/BT2630-1024.htm) look at page 4

No clones, but brothers...
And maybe the RS2250 is the big brother with more knowledge? ;D


best regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: tony on January 12, 2009, 03:10PM

Yusti, I have never been able to have my 2250XL play book moves unless the "full book" is turned on. the other books all are useless. when turned on they must think for each move. reset will not clear this problem. Others have reported the same glitch. if there's a fix, I would love to know about it. regards, Tony


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: marko on January 12, 2009, 05:41PM

[quote author=hypersonic link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11875 date=1231791166]
Hi Marko,
So does sticking a pin in the reset, actually kick-start the other Book modes to work??

Al
[/quote]

Hello hypersonic (and Tony),

Yes, resetting my 2250XL (ACL hole on bottom) causes the Book Modes to work! Pressing INFO after black moves shows the expected white countermove to follow the book.

Best regards,
Marko


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: tony on January 13, 2009, 07:25AM

Marko, please explain how you are doing that. I have tried it and it has no effect all on the books. what mode are you in? power on or off when you reset? details pleeeeeze. regards, Tony


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: marko on January 13, 2009, 09:56AM

[quote author=tony link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11880 date=1231860336]
Marko, please explain how you are doing that. I have tried it and it has no effect all on the books. what mode are you in? power on or off when you reset? details pleeeeeze. regards, Tony
[/quote]

Hi Tony,

All I am doing is pressing the ACL button (with a straightened paperclip) while the 2250XL is turned on using a 9 volt, 300 mA, negative tip, DC adapter (not original) and no batteries installed. Like the manual says, after a reset, the computer beeps, each of the LEDs on the rank and file lights in sequence and the display shows all the pieces in their starting positions. I use all the defaults and don't change any options (other than the level) and the opening book seems to work fine. Pressing "new game" starts a new random book opening. Once, after a reset, it went into "thinking mode" after the first move but all the other times the reset caused the opening book to work. Anything else you want me to try?

Best regards,
Marko


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: tony on January 13, 2009, 04:21PM

my full book also plays correctly. It's the active, p(oops!)ive, and tourenment that search for moves from the beginning. have you tried all of your books to see if they respond instantly while in a book line? Tony


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: marko on January 13, 2009, 05:14PM

[quote author=tony link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11882 date=1231892516]
my full book also plays correctly. It's the active, p(oops!)ive, and tourenment that search for moves from the beginning. have you tried all of your books to see if they respond instantly while in a book line? Tony
[/quote]

Hi Tony,

My 2250XL acts like yours - only the full book responds instantly. All the other books (off, active, p(oops!)ive and tournament) go immediately into "thinking mode."

Best regards,
Marko


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: tony on January 14, 2009, 05:34AM

I guess all 2250XL's have that glitch in them, at least I have'nt heard of one without it. Thanks Marko.
regards. Tony


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: marko on January 14, 2009, 09:25AM

[quote author=tony link=board=1;threadid=1739;start=0#msg11884 date=1231940089]
I guess all 2250XL's have that glitch in them, at least I have'nt heard of one without it. Thanks Marko.
regards. Tony
[/quote]

Hi Tony,

Wouldn't pressing the "Enter" key (on black's move) force the 2250XL to immediately follow the book openings or am I missing something?

Best regards,
Marko


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: tony on January 15, 2009, 07:09AM

that doesn't work either, the computer will think about it's move as black. the only work around for either color is to double press the enter for the color you want to get a instant response. trouble is, I don't know if it's actually playing that particular selected book and you can't tell where the book ends. Oh well, I guess its full book or nothing. like I said, no one has come forward with 2250XL with the alternate books that function properly. I think they were all built with this bugaboo in them. regards, Tony


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Title: Re:Question about opening book in RS 2250XL
Post by: Zardoz on January 19, 2009, 07:05AM


on 1232032190, tony wrote:

that doesn't work either, the computer will think about it's move as black. the only work around for either color is to double press the enter for the color you want to get a instant response. trouble is, I don't know if it's actually playing that particular selected book and you can't tell where the book ends. Oh well, I guess its full book or nothing. like I said, no one has come forward with 2250XL with the alternate books that function properly. I think they were all built with this bugaboo in them. regards, Tony


Just for the record, my 2250XL also has "the bug." Only "Full Book" works.

I also tried to reset (using batteries) and it had no effect on the use of the other books.



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