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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Alain Zanchetta on January 24, 2009, 02:03AM
	

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Title: Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on January 24, 2009, 02:03AM



Hi,

the fourth edition of our French Tournament will take place on May, 17th.

Here is the main tournament page (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=Paris2009)

And here is the page with all candidates machines (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=Paris2009/EditMachines.aspx)

Both the player and the machine lists are not definitive, that's why at the time of this writing you can see the same machine twice in the main page, we have stil four month to polish our lists.

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: spacious_mind on January 24, 2009, 04:57AM

Hi Alain.

Wow another year has gone by already. It is a great idea to do a U2000 tournament.

I look forward to seeing who wins and replaying the games in May :)

Good luck with the tournament.

All the best

Nick

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11912 date=1232791387]


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Mike Watters on January 28, 2009, 01:54AM

Nice tournament Alain.

It will be interesting to see how Steve's Elite Privat gets on. But I shall be hoping for a win by a chess computer which stayed here in Milton Keynes for a while and is now in Paris. Should be interesting games as long as Christian and Hans sort themselves out. ;D

Saints and Sinners regards
Mike


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Endspielgott on January 31, 2009, 06:13AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11938 date=1233136480]
Nice tournament Alain.

It will be interesting to see how Steve's Elite Privat gets on. But I shall be hoping for a win by a chess computer which stayed here in Milton Keynes for a while and is now in Paris. Should be interesting games as long as Christian and Hans sort themselves out. ;D

Saints and Sinners regards
Mike
[/quote]

Mike/Alain,

since Alain seems to have changed his mind and plays with one of Ron´s minions I could possibly swap to something which will arrive soon at my place.
Which means Milton Keynes will definitely be involved.

How does this sound?

Christian the Sinner


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on January 31, 2009, 09:51PM

Hi Christian
[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11955 date=1233411227]
since Alain seems to have changed his mind and plays with one of Ron´s minions.
[/quote]

no, Christian, I have never changed my mind : the Grandmaster has always been my first choice and the NS was only the second choice.
In fact, I chose the Grandmaster as soon as the 2000 limit was set... and even before I had one ;)
Paris 2009 has been the excuse to order it ;D

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Sargon on February 3, 2009, 04:43AM

Hello Guys,

Christian an myself are just byep(oops!)ing in Paris ;D
For me is fun to meet other guys who loves old dedacated chesscomputers :o
And meet new collecters.
And i never been to Paris before ooohhh ::)
I hope u speak englsh because mine french is eehhh TERRIBLE matter of fact i can't speak it just a few words
So i do not know Frans ,because Frans do not me also
In Holland Frans is a callname,translation French is Frans (joke)

Kind Regads,Hans


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Mike Watters on February 3, 2009, 08:08AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11955 date=1233411227]

Mike/Alain,

since Alain seems to have changed his mind and plays with one of Ron´s minions I could possibly swap to something which will arrive soon at my place.
Which means Milton Keynes will definitely be involved.

How does this sound?

Christian the Sinner
[/quote]

Christian/Alain
It may be a close run thing what with the snow, HM Customs, Heathrow.......but it should arrive by May 17th.
Now I am hoping to having two chess computers in the tournament. ;D

Has anyone played a handicap chess computer tournament? Either giving piece and/or move odds, or instead the winner is the entry which exceeds the Elo predicted result by the biggest margin? That way you can have chess computers of widely different abilities playing.

As for the Excalibur Grandmaster I always mess up a game somewhere along the way trying to move the captured piece before the capturing piece.

Mike the Saint :-\


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: spacious_mind on February 3, 2009, 09:47AM


on 1233677306, Mike Watters wrote:



Has anyone played a handicap chess computer tournament? Either giving piece and/or move odds, or instead the winner is the entry which exceeds the Elo predicted result by the biggest margin? That way you can have chess computers of widely different abilities playing.

Mike the Saint :-



Hi Saint Mike
A handicap tournament eh ? hmmm I was thinking along the lines of someday playing a little tournament where each machine is set up with a maximum of for example 4 half-moves (ply) and see what happens. Or an under 10 Mhz tournament :) Or A World League between manufacturers where randomly 6 machines are picked from within each manufacturers computers. And placed as board 1 - 6.

There is so much that could be done with our little computers. The possibilities are limitless! :D

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on February 3, 2009, 01:19PM

Hi Hans,

[quote author=Sargon link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11964 date=1233665035]
I hope u speak englsh because mine french is eehhh TERRIBLE matter of fact i can't speak it just a few words
[/quote]
don't worry, your French is a lot better than my Dutch ;)
... and most of us will be able to speak more or less English (of course with the awful French accent).

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Endspielgott on February 3, 2009, 09:06PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11966 date=1233677306]

Christian/Alain
It may be a close run thing what with the snow, HM Customs, Heathrow.......but it should arrive by May 17th.
Now I am hoping to having two chess computers in the tournament. ;D

Has anyone played a handicap chess computer tournament? Either giving piece and/or move odds, or instead the winner is the entry which exceeds the Elo predicted result by the biggest margin? That way you can have chess computers of widely different abilities playing.

Mike the Saint :-\

[/quote]

Mike,

I one played a tournament between Mephisto III and Tasc R30. The R30 needed a handicap, so I did set him from expert to easy.
It did not help the Mephisto III though, he got one draw out of some 10 games.
I performed this test for a friend of mine who wanted to buy a R30 and his a moderate chessplayer himself.
Finally he decided to go for something lighter ;D

Christian

@Hans: No I do not speak english at all ;D


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Mike Watters on February 4, 2009, 12:55AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11971 date=1233723994]
[size=2]Mike,

I one played a tournament between Mephisto III and Tasc R30. The R30 needed a handicap, so I did set him from expert to easy.
It did not help the Mephisto III though, he got one draw out of some 10 games.
I performed this test for a friend of mine who wanted to buy a R30 and his a moderate chessplayer himself.
Finally he decided to go for something lighter ;D

Christian

@Hans: No I do not speak english at all ;D[/size]
[/quote]

Christian

Do you remember the old Resurrection v Compuchess - Draw!! thread
http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=567

Martin posted a game of Resurrection Fruit 05 v Mephisto III where III kept pushing pawns missing Mates in 2 and 3, in order to queen pawns.

Perhaps Queen odds and 1000 Elo points difference would be about the limit for realistic games? That would still give you enough scope for the Mother Of All Tournaments Nick :)

Mike


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Endspielgott on February 4, 2009, 11:06AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11972 date=1233737737]

Do you remember the old Resurrection v Compuchess - Draw!! thread
http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=567

Martin posted a game of Resurrection Fruit 05 v Mephisto III where III kept pushing pawns missing Mates in 2 and 3, in order to queen pawns.

Perhaps Queen odds and 1000 Elo points difference would be about the limit for realistic games? That would still give you enough scope for the Mother Of All Tournaments Nick :)

Mike
[/quote]

Mike,

yes this was an interesting thread. Therefore I will take my Mephisto III to Paris. The others will happily give me queen odds...Alain? Hand? ;D

Christian

P.S. what does "misrouted" mean in German???


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Mike Watters on February 4, 2009, 03:03PM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11973 date=1233774370]
P.S. what does "misrouted" mean in German???
[/quote]
auf der falschen Lkw :( :-X


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: spacious_mind on February 5, 2009, 09:51AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11974 date=1233788585]
auf der falschen Lkw :( :-X
[/quote]

Is that like

"MISSED THE BUS ??" ;D

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Mike Watters on February 5, 2009, 12:33PM

Nick

Actually it turned out to mean "Up a creek without a paddle". :(

But we did not know that at the time.

Its shipping but not as we know it regards
Mike


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Steve B on February 5, 2009, 04:03PM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11959 date=1233467473]
In fact, I chose the Grandmaster as soon as the 2000 limit was set... and even before I had one ;)
Paris 2009 has been the excuse to order it ;D
[/quote]

Hi Alain
i do indeed see that you got the GM
do you think you will receive it in time?
:D

actually you should have waited until there was an auction for the Platinum GM
it is several hundred ELO Stronger then the regular GM



Nelson On Steroids Regards
Steve



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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: spacious_mind on February 5, 2009, 04:12PM

[quote author=Steve B link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11984 date=1233878629]
Hi Alain
i do indeed see that you got the GM
do you think you will receive it in time?
:D

actually you should have waited until there was an auction for the Platinum GM
it is several hundred ELO Stronger then the regular GM



Nelson On Steroids Regards
Steve



[/quote]

Hi Steve,

Is it really stronger? I have on several occasions had my finger almost clicking on one but always restrained myself because of not really wanting another of the same.

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on February 5, 2009, 09:12PM

Hi Steve,

[quote author=Steve B link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11984 date=1233878629]
i do indeed see that you got the GM
do you think you will receive it in time?
[/quote]
I received it last week :)

[quote]
actually you should have waited until there was an auction for the Platinum GM
it is several hundred ELO Stronger then the regular GM
[/quote]
is it the 24 MHz version which appears on wiki ratings ? or simply a joke ?
Anyway, the normal one is strong enough for me (and it was both new and cheap).

Not myself a platinum player regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Steve B on February 6, 2009, 05:51AM

Hi Alain and Nick
no the Platinum is not stronger
it was only a small joke
very small i see
Sorry Regards
Steve
:(


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: spacious_mind on February 6, 2009, 09:49AM

[quote author=Steve B link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11987 date=1233928316]
Hi Alain and Nick
no the Platinum is not stronger
it was only a small joke
very small i see
Sorry Regards
Steve
:(
[/quote]

Hi Steve,

You just got me excited for a moment htinking I needed to buy another GM :)

All the best

Nick


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Endspielgott on February 7, 2009, 10:33AM

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11980 date=1233856284]
[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=1745;start=0#msg11974 date=1233788585]
auf der falschen Lkw :( :-X
[/quote]

Is that like

"MISSED THE BUS ??" ;D

All the best

Nick
[/quote]

Nick/Mike,

well lets say it took the bus in a slightly wrong direction.
But finally it saw the error of its ways and finally got there where it belonged.
Now I am really ready for Paris!

Christian


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on May 17, 2009, 09:32PM

Hi,

Paris 2009 was yesterday and ended with a clear victory of the Nigel Short from Ed Schroeder, operated by Christian.

Thanks a lot to all participants... and see you next year !

Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: Sargon on May 18, 2009, 04:50AM

Hello Guys ;D

The Dutch Armada has arrived home.
Saints was great and i have enjoyed it,same as Ruud Martin
We played in a sort of school,the room was nice and clean
The French hosts had arranged food and drinks,so that was covered to.many thanks and well done guys
For me ,who didn't speak French at all,it was no problem becaus Christian speaks German and French so a translate was quickly made.
I was interested in meet the guy Alain Zanchetta he is a very nice and kind person ;)Also the other French Collectors,with few i had a nice chat
So the tournament was friendly and peacefull.
Alain was the Empire ,and arranged each round on his computer.
And what to think about Steve Blincoe :o he played online through chessbase in the tournament
Whe played by swiss system
At the end the Nigel Short was the winner altough he had many luck against mine 68000XL wich made in a clearly winning position a huge error and even lost the game.
If..if as u can see at the tabelle on the end.
At the end all guys want to eat together,but unfortunally Ruud had to work on monday so we had to leave and arrived at 23.40 by Ruud house in Holland

Guys it was very interesting to meet u and to the next time.


Kind regards,

Hans


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on May 19, 2009, 11:23AM

Hi Hans,
thank you for the kind words. I was very happy to meet you and Ruud and I hope we have the pleasure to have both of you next year.

The games are now available, and I wish to thank again all players for taking notes during the games.
Paris 2009 Games (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/paris2009/base.htm)

All the best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: blitzchess on May 19, 2009, 12:35PM

Thank you for this beautiful day chess with you.
Thank you to the Dutch team (Hans and Ruud) Christian, Steve, to the organizers (Patrick and Alain), Eric G. and Jean-Robert.

See you next year. (Paris 2010)

Dominator regards

Eric


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Title: Re:Paris 2009
Post by: alainza on May 20, 2009, 01:43PM

I have uploaded my pictures (I have included two pictures of me two Eric's great series to have full rounds) on the tournament's page.

Best regards,
Alain



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