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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Kostea on June  2, 2009, 08:54PM
	

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Title: I'm looking for a Mephisto Atlanta
Post by: Kostea on June 2, 2009, 08:54PM

I'm looking for a 'laptop' design Mephisto chess computer. Never had a chess computer until I got back into playing chess about 3 months ago. I got a Mephisto Master, and I have Novag Citrine on the list. I want at least one wood made computer, and Citrine's chess board is the right size for me. I'm still unclear if all the past bugs have been fixed in the Citrine though.

At the same time I'm debating between a Mephisto Berlin and Atlanta, and would like to hear the opinion of members of this forum. I kind of like the chess computers with the outer case made of plastic. Which one do you like most, and which other ones I should consider. I would love a Montreux, but I might quit chess playing again by the time I find one.

Thank you for taking the time to read and maybe reply to this post,

Kostea


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Title: Re:I'm looking for a Mephisto Atlanta
Post by: alainza on June 2, 2009, 09:25PM

Hi Kostea,

as you have a Mephisto Master, you should try to find a Berlin rather than an Atlanta, because Master and Atlanta have the same program.

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:I'm looking for a Mephisto Atlanta
Post by: Kostea on June 3, 2009, 06:13PM

Alain,

I agree with what you said. Somehow I always thought about the Atlanta playing stronger than a Master and never really sat down and realize that they have the same CPU, 64k ROM, opening book size, and the only difference was the hash table memory (and the chess board of Atlanta has LEDs on each square).

Thank you for your advice,

Kostea


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Title: Re:I'm looking for a Mephisto Atlanta
Post by: Tom on July 25, 2009, 01:43PM

[quote author=Kostea link=board=1;threadid=1824;start=0#msg12263 date=1244078029]
Alain,

I agree with what you said. Somehow I always thought about the Atlanta playing stronger than a Master and never really sat down and realize that they have the same CPU, 64k ROM, opening book size, and the only difference was the hash table memory (and the chess board of Atlanta has LEDs on each square).

Thank you for your advice,

Kostea


[/quote]

Hi Kostea, the Atlanta plays significantly stronger than a Master. There are tasks a Master will never be able to solve which the Atlanta does.

But it's difficult to get one nowadays, since it isn't produced any longer. The Atlanta was/is the strongest lowcost chesscomputer ever made, and today the Master is relatively close to this.

Regards Tom


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Title: Re:I'm looking for a Mephisto Atlanta
Post by: Kostea on August 24, 2009, 08:50PM

Tom,

I agree with you, there is no doubt that the Atlanta is stronger than Master.

I think that Alain said that it would be better to get a Berlin because it has a different playing style. Even if Master is weaker, its playing style is same as Atlanta's. So instead of having 2 chess computers with the same style, it would be best to have 2 different styles.

I like 2 things about Atlanta:
- it is the cheapest strong computer (like Tom mentioned)
- it is the strongest chess computer that can be run on batteries (that is a big plus for me).

In the meantime I got an Atlanta.
The only way to beat the Atlanta for sure, I had to set it to '3-ply'. On '5-ply' we're almost equal strength with slight advantage on my side, and for 7 and 9 plies I'm defeated more times than I like. For now. I'm slowly getting back to the level I was at many years ago.
I like to play on 'ply' settings because that looks like the best way to measure my skill improvement. If I set the level to 'time', then under certain circumstances, the more I think the more it thinks (permanent brain, which can be disabled). And another thing, for example if I leave the level setting to the default '5 seconds' it sometimes thinks for around 15 seconds, because it has to finish the current move search completely before it replies.
In the future I'll probably get one computer programmed by Ed Schroeder, and one from Johan the Koning (his computers are harder to find and as a side effect, expensive).

Now I'm looking for a Mephisto Berlin if anyone has one for sale.

Regards



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