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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: KarmaZen on August 25, 2009, 08:09PM
	

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Title: * CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 25, 2009, 08:09PM

* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review / (edit 3 was added 4 images and a video of final (oops!)embly)

Novag CITRINE solar energy

- IMG presentación final - (bak 0) (http://meca.mundoforo.com/viewtopic.php?p=5775#5775] Link Review original test solar novag citrine modding[/url]

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Well, I hope you like it and helps them apart from the final (oops!)embly, the intermediate steps are developed, adapter cables, gearboxes and readings, and here we go on vacation ... I'm "kills": roll: ;-)

Greetings, and the next review ... :arrow :idea :8)

solars greetings from Spain.


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 25, 2009, 08:30PM

PD: and test with other electronics...

(tv on batt)

[url=http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8333/finaldetallepotenciabat.jpg]

good ¡ tv need a lot of power.

bye.


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: hondo on August 26, 2009, 08:55AM

Hi... I would like to comment about the issue you brought up with regard to overvoltage where the power supply adaptor produces 14 to 15 volts dc. in your test and the unit requires only 9 volts dc. Your conclusion that this is a bad thing for circuitry over extended periods is correct. In some instances a surge or spike in voltage could bring about disaster even faster and this brings me to my question for you. Many of the games whose circuits I have checked both physically and by looking at the schematic have a voltage regulator IC built in. This means that a 9 volt Dc adaptor can put out a little over the expected amount and the IC will clamp down or regulate and only p(oops!) the preset voltage....in this case 9 volts. Many of these IC's depend on and only function correctly when they are in an over voltage situation. That means if you were to use a " regulated" power supply of nine volts like the game calls for the game most likely would not function as designed. Now the QESTION....have you checked the circuit or the schematic or called the engineering section of Novag and asked if this is the situation for this unit? My guess is they would never produce this fine unit without taking into consideration the possibility of overvoltage from some cheap power supply messing up a very nice electronic game. Thanks for your nice article and regards..... Hondo


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 26, 2009, 04:48PM


on 1251302143, hondo wrote:


Hi... I would like to comment about the issue you brought up with regard to overvoltage where the power supply adaptor produces 14 to 15 volts dc. in your test and the unit requires only 9 volts dc.

Your conclusion that this is a bad thing for circuitry over extended periods is correct. In some instances a surge or spike in voltage could bring about disaster even faster and this brings me to my question for you. Many of the games whose circuits I have checked both physically and by looking at the schematic have a voltage regulator IC built in. This means that a 9 volt Dc adaptor can put out a little over the expected amount and the IC will clamp down or regulate and only p(oops!) the preset voltage....in this case 9 volts.

Many of these IC's depend on and only function correctly when they are in an over voltage situation. That means if you were to use a " regulated" power supply of nine volts like the game calls for the game most likely would not function as designed.

Now the QESTION....have you checked the circuit or the schematic or called the engineering section of Novag and asked if this is the situation for this unit? My guess is they would never produce this fine unit without taking into consideration the possibility of overvoltage from some cheap power supply messing up a very nice electronic game.

Thanks for your nice article and regards..... Hondo




Thank you very much for your comments, always welcome any answers,

about yours coments well, I hope I have understood correctly, my English is something bad/regular, but I understand that you question whether other 9V DC converters may give a poor response, more unstable and could damage the machine? ...

well, it's possible that there are Novag power supply AC/DC market very bad, even worse than the original Novag, but it costs 15 € in Spain Novag power supply AC/DC, and I find it quite expensive, I think it is possible to find very good AC/DC with the signal stabilized.

I do not know which will be the operation of the AC/DC Novag if you get more voltage in the primary, or have not checked if the parent receives 250 V instead of 220 V, if it really delivers even more tension, which would be, as you said a premature death of some chess machines,

I think it is possible that this signal is not stabilized, because in my house we have a somewhat variable tension of the day is about 220 V and at night is very close to 230, in any case secondary voltage AC/DC varies citrine, for months, not years I did a reading in vacuum and was about 14 V, my surprise came when the other day and perform the same test was 15.8 V what a crazy idea:

what would happen if instead of 230, get a 1-second peak of 250 V,?, (killed citrine film?)

AC/DC novag has always been plugged in during these two years, but the citrine has not always been connected, or the secondary of AC/DC varies as a function of entry without any security, or is this getting old and increasingly deliver more voltage?,

which is the limit of the computer citrine?, do not know, and of course I will not check it, this is one of the first units, with BUG included UCB version and I will not find another like that...

On your comment that other AC/DC stabilized, whether they work well while the IC works well, it is possible that if a IC fails, the machine is broken, ok, perphas yes/no?, but we must bear in mind that the series, kick, or Initially, the original transformer Novag already delivering many times more tension than necessary, almost double...

my suspicions were heightened when Novag engineers, they said that "nothing happens", which is within the margin, but affirmed that the "burden" when the machine is running, the tension down, due to consumption and That is absolutely and completely false, citrine Novag consumption is not enough to cause a voltage drop as the engineers claimed.

I've always thought that AC/DC where the voltage drop in the load function means they are very bad, very very BAD, and that are designed with much margin for error... why have not a zener ? or fusible in 0.250 mA... it´s very cheap ¡....

Since we can not guarantee that the correct voltage AC/DC in the event of failure, and nor can we guarantee that if sobretesion in the primary,> 230V, this is not taken to the secondary...

therefore we can only MUST that the AC/DC we use, (being careful of polarity chosen, many processors have polarity selector, but this is pretty dangerous, if by mistake you forget, you can break some equipment)

what we can only make it a condition (must) that it is preferable that the AC/DC is switched off or non-delivery in the secondary voltage ( when AC/DC damage), rather than continue to operate and deliver different values... >+V..

How to overcome this?, You can create a small circuit using zener diodes, resistors and capacitors, a circuit is very small and cheap, limiting the output to 9 V exactly, this would avoid any transmission to the chess computer by excess ... can be coupled to the output of any processor, including the infamous original AC/DC novag.


Now if you really trying to tell me is that many processors in the signal stabilized by IC, are dangerous when they fail, it is possible, but can be solved by incorporating a small circuit in a cable accessory through zener diode, to set aside the excess this voltage being grounded ...

Indeed, perhaps not properly understood, but hopefully you were not implying that Novag AC/DC, which he says deliver 9V, delivers 15 V in any case and that even in bad conditions the output voltage would be stable, let the joke, and laughed aloud ...

Now I do a question?, Taking into account the maximum two-year warranty on each computer, Which believes it is the goal of Novag long term, using a processor that delivers 15 V instead of 9 V AC/DC as original? and give yourself from first day...

PS: by the way, the processor of the controversy has gone to a drawer until the end of "my day´s" and not until the end of the days of the AC/DC.

It´s technically impossible that the two solar batteries never never produced more than 10.5 V, albeit a very very very sunny day, and novag citrine runs ok with only 7 o 8 V...

uhmmm ... though... now that I think, if when we are in the field, playing a game with Novag citrine, there is a storm and I drop a top electric grater, (lightning storm), it is possible that the solar batteries are given a "light" to machine Surge ... and all the work of the review would be lost, right?

I try not to get too near a tree or a cow, just in case, you imagine if a lightning storm break the chess computer. I'm dying of sorrow, instead of lightning ... ;-)

Wary greetings from Spain.


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: ricard60 on August 27, 2009, 10:49AM

Nice work Oliver,

I test my transformer from citrine but is a 120 V 60 hz to 9VDC. With out load the output is 12.47VDC. I have not open my citrine but for those who had you can follow the lines over the PCB that comes from the input voltage and maybe you will find an IC voltage regulator.

good job regards
Ricardo


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 27, 2009, 12:10PM

[quote author=ricard60 link=board=1;threadid=1851;start=0#msg12341 date=1251395343]
Nice work Oliver,

I test my transformer from citrine but is a 120 V 60 hz to 9VDC. With out load the output is 12.47VDC. I have not open my citrine but for those who had you can follow the lines over the PCB that comes from the input voltage and maybe you will find an IC voltage regulator.

good job regards
Ricardo
[/quote]

thanks...

Ok, yes, but the question is why permit a lot of over Volts...?...

here you can see PCB circuit...

[url=http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4621/novaggen1eg5.jpg]PCB I

[url=http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9181/novagdet1uu8.jpg]PCB II

[url=http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7268/novagdet2clockosciladorxd2.jpg]PCB III

[url=http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/2351/novagdet5hd6.jpg]PCB IV


Anyway, they did not say that this tension is corrected internally by citrine, they stated that the transformer load voltage lost due to the consumption of the computer... but it only lost >0.5 V. (And what happens if the IC would be corrupted and indeed fall to 15 V or 12 V?)...

Citrine runs OK with Volts a lot of more down, with 5,5 run, but see LCD it´dificult, and with 7,5 V all it´s OK.

postcript: by the way, does not it seem odd that a 120 V power supply for Novag = 12.47 V. and in 220 V DC and delivers 15 V.DC ...? it is the same AC / DC?

thanks regards...


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: chubbyupchuck on August 28, 2009, 12:34AM

Hey all,

I think it is important to remember a couple of points...

  • In the grand scheme of things Novag are a low volume producer, doubly so for the top of the line Citrine.
  • Your ship is always built by the lowest bidder.


  • I suspect that none of the electronics inside the Citrine require more than 5V to operate, and probably will require 3V (e.g. VLSI H8 core). Now as has already been pointed out virtually all electronics equipment has a voltage regulator on the power input stage. This does a number of things. As well as providing a stable supply to sensitive components, it also protects them from numpties using the wrong power supply from damaging the equipment. This has a beneficial side effect in that it relaxes the engineering requirements on the external power supply. And from there economics takes over. Given that virtually any PSU supplying 50mA at 7.5V or more will do for the Citrine, as a manufacturer which do you choose? Well the cheapest. And which one is that? The same one that everyone else uses 9V 300mA, they are everywhere. That way you keep your manufacturing cost as low as possible, and can increase profit, or reduce prices if a pesky competitor comes along.

    As to your concerns that dropping the voltage from ~15V to whatever is needed on the board will reduce the life span of the board, I doubt it will have a significant effect. Worst case you are looking at the regulator having to dissipate ~0.3Watts ((15V-3V) * 0.026A = 0.312 Watts). Virtually any commercial regulator will do this without a heatsink all day and all night. Also bear in mind that the minimum drop across a regulator is around 2V in order to get a stable output supply, so it has to dissipate around 0.05W in order to work. Factor in a minimal engineering tolerance on the supply and the minimum dissipation I would expect to see is 0.1W.

    So where is this mythical regulator? Well looking at the first photo of the board (I don't have a Citrine) I think IC4 is a candidate. This has the small number of pins normally (oops!)ociated with a regulator, is located reasonably close to the DC in, has a number of p(oops!)ive components located close to it on the reverse side of the board and seems to have a thumping great power (ground?) jumper wire terminating near it.

    So I don't think there is likely to much to be concerned about.

    chubby


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 28, 2009, 10:00AM

[quote author=chubbyupchuck link=board=1;threadid=1851;start=0#msg12343 date=1251444889]
Hey all,

I think it is important to remember a couple of points...

  • In the grand scheme of things Novag are a low volume producer, doubly so for the top of the line Citrine.
  • Your ship is always built by the lowest bidder.


  • I suspect that none of the electronics inside the Citrine require more than 5V to operate, and probably will require 3V (e.g. VLSI H8 core). Now as has already been pointed out virtually all electronics equipment has a voltage regulator on the power input stage. This does a number of things. As well as providing a stable supply to sensitive components, it also protects them from numpties using the wrong power supply from damaging the equipment. This has a beneficial side effect in that it relaxes the engineering requirements on the external power supply. And from there economics takes over. Given that virtually any PSU supplying 50mA at 7.5V or more will do for the Citrine, as a manufacturer which do you choose? Well the cheapest. And which one is that? The same one that everyone else uses 9V 300mA, they are everywhere. That way you keep your manufacturing cost as low as possible, and can increase profit, or reduce prices if a pesky competitor comes along.

    As to your concerns that dropping the voltage from ~15V to whatever is needed on the board will reduce the life span of the board, I doubt it will have a significant effect. Worst case you are looking at the regulator having to dissipate ~0.3Watts ((15V-3V) * 0.026A = 0.312 Watts). Virtually any commercial regulator will do this without a heatsink all day and all night. Also bear in mind that the minimum drop across a regulator is around 2V in order to get a stable output supply, so it has to dissipate around 0.05W in order to work. Factor in a minimal engineering tolerance on the supply and the minimum dissipation I would expect to see is 0.1W.

    So where is this mythical regulator? Well looking at the first photo of the board (I don't have a Citrine) I think IC4 is a candidate. This has the small number of pins normally (oops!)ociated with a regulator, is located reasonably close to the DC in, has a number of p(oops!)ive components located close to it on the reverse side of the board and seems to have a thumping great power (ground?) jumper wire terminating near it.

    So I don't think there is likely to much to be concerned about.

    chubby
    [/quote]


    Thank you very much for your answer, the question is: what is the limit of tolerance regulardor IC?, Or any input voltage can not be rectified, I also think that an internal regulator will prevent this, but it is rare for Novag engineers mentioned the power supply voltage drop when in operation and to limit the guarantee to his erratic use of AC/DC.

    However the intention of modding is not that, but to avoid having to connect the AC machine, being more portable. Besides this change does not need batteries, then recharge with solar energy.

    And did not need to dis(oops!)emble the machine ... ;-)

    solars regards... from spain.

    oliver


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: hondo on August 28, 2009, 12:47PM

Hi Chubby... I enjoyed reading your response and couldn't agree more with what you said nor could I have said it any better! In addition to your guess or hunch about IC4 being the regulator that was my best guess also but I didn't want to go out on the limb for fear that some one would mess with it the wrong way and their game would go poof and I would be somewhat guilty...LOL. I think there may be a language barrier at least from my perspective in that Oliver my be missing the finer point which we are both trying to make with regards to his power supply and the function of an in circuit regulator. I guess the only other way to say it is if it's working ok..... don't mess with it or worry about when it will crash. I would spend more time trying to play it then fret over over voltage frying the circuitry! Ok enough said... best regards to all... hondo


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: chubbyupchuck on August 28, 2009, 01:59PM

Pleasure Hondo,

Oliver,

The standard simple (canonical) voltage regulator is the LM78xx series...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/78xx

The regulator in the Citrine is almost certainly NOT an LM78xx, but it does give an idea as to the performance of such devices...

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/LM/LM7805.pdf

Maximum input voltage - 35V
Dropout voltage (minimum difference between input and output) - 2V
Peak current - 2.2A
Maximum operating temperature - 125 celcius
Thermal resistance (without a heatsink) - 65 celcius / watt
Maximum power disipation (at 25 celcius ambient without heatsink) - 1.53 watts ((125-25) / 65).

So if we (oops!)ume that your external power supply has a linear relationship between input and output voltage, with no protection (a m(oops!)ive simplification), and the actual internal regulator has roughly the characteristics of an LM7805. In order to exceed the the internal regulator's limits your mains would have to spike to 513VAC (220*35/15). Even this would probably not break the regulator if it was only a spike. And the regulator will protect the rest of the Citrine from the spike (a simplification).

And if your mains did have a 513VAC spike on it, your chess set is likely to be the least of your worries. :)

As to why the Novag power supplies are so shoddy, the simple answer is because they can be. More accurate voltage regulation would not improve the customer's experience in any measurable way, and in 99.99% of cases would not even be noticed.

As to why Novag charges 15Euros for such shoddy PSUs, the simple answer is because they can. People are willing to pay for the perception of quality and piece of mind that the two items are compatible.

Really don't worry. Just enjoy the chess! :)

chubby


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 28, 2009, 04:52PM

[quote author=hondo link=board=1;threadid=1851;start=0#msg12345 date=1251488836]
Hi Chubby... I enjoyed reading your response and couldn't agree more with what you said nor could I have said it any better! In addition to your guess or hunch about IC4 being the regulator that was my best guess also but I didn't want to go out on the limb for fear that some one would mess with it the wrong way and their game would go poof and I would be somewhat guilty...LOL. I think there may be a language barrier at least from my perspective in that Oliver my be missing the finer point which we are both trying to make with regards to his power supply and the function of an in circuit regulator. I guess the only other way to say it is if it's working ok..... don't mess with it or worry about when it will crash. I would spend more time trying to play it then fret over over voltage frying the circuitry! Ok enough said... best regards to all... hondo
[/quote]

honde hi, yes, you are right, the language may be a barrier. I had understood that your question about whether the individual would have the Novag adapter stabilizer circuit within the power supply.

When I clarify something else Ricard60 response to clumsy with the English like me, so I put the links on the motherboard, these pictures already have more than two years and belong to another review I conducted years ago.

In any case, always be more comfortable and much safer not to use AC / DC adapters, but nothing that consumption of citrine not justify in any case Novag not installed the ability to use feed through batteries.

In another vein, I have many AC / DC of different devices and none are hotter when unloaded, but are connected, that of Novag this "hot" even when the machine is turned off, implying consumption vacuum and possibly a shorter duration of this transformer.

Power supplies may be more components that have evolved, perhaps due to increased use of mobile phones ...

careless greetings from spain.


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 28, 2009, 05:18PM


on 1251493174, chubbyupchuck wrote:

Pleasure Hondo,

Oliver,

The standard simple (canonical) voltage regulator is the LM78xx series...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/78xx

The regulator in the Citrine is almost certainly NOT an LM78xx, but it does give an idea as to the performance of such devices...

...

Really don't worry. Just enjoy the chess! :)

chubby


FANTASTIC chubby a great explanation but you are very may be somewhat optimistic... ;-) (and I am something pessimists...)

We really felt more relaxed but..., obviously the first objective of this modding was not on problems of tensions, but rather was a comment added.


In any case, the portability and the possibility, given the low consumption have this computer, using batteries is much more practical than any DC adapter,

Anyway, when I have some free time, I would test voltage readings at different points on the board, actually in the previous review data are the info about pins on the cpu and we can use a tester to test the voltage at various points, and compare this to when we use batteries when using the AC / DC, if everything is correct, readings of voltage components will be exactly the same, thanks to the use of the IC chip.

Obviously also said in the review, which does not seem right that reversing the polarity Novag standard in the market, placing the positive pole on the outside of the plug, really the intention of this alone is to divide and confuse, not making more consistent and secure the use of the machine, but more dependent on its own power adapter. Why do they do?, Because they can ... as you rightly say.

But I also answer..., because what we have here info?, by expressing a criticism ?, because that WE can also ... ;-) (



(anyway, your load on the limit of work for this model are based on the power source is working properly and get a peak voltage in the primary circuit. The question is whether to trust that the the power supply will work fine, after they both be in agreement about its poor quality. An error in this component, a polarity reversal or a peak, "inferior" to 220, but greater than 30 V? or 20? i don´t know..., for example, could break the machine, despite not having any problems in the voltage of 220V ...

Well, as I said I will review the documentation I have, to locate the power pins of cpu and check the tension in both cases; it may well be that Novag use the circuit IC, a simple voltage reducer, very basic circuit, based on his own AC / DC, varying its voltage directly and linearly to the input voltage... it´s need check it.

I would check it in future, if I (will ?) find significant variations in the readings of the PCB cpu power, after the circuit IC, and it will comment...)

a greeting, from spain. Oliver


PD: In summary, although I think I understand your arguments, I find it hard to trust a power supply that is labeled with a 220V-9V, and actually it's delivering 15, which represents 66% more than labeling without any variation in the primary circuit (220), ... who (oops!)ures us that this adapter does not supply fails again and after a while another 66% above 15 V. ..? In this case, some basic regulatory DC bursts, IC?, and the computer of ~ +300 €... too.

long live solar batterys ;-) , uhmm... although Batteries may also explode ... ... & we can also use a hand-crank power source ... as some controls TV or rechargeable flashlights. 8)


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: chubbyupchuck on August 29, 2009, 12:29AM

Oliver,

Ahh OK, sorry I did not understand. I took a look at some of the supplies I have around the house. The unconnected voltages I found were...


  • 9VDC 300mA unbranded multi voltage power supply - 9.1VDC
  • 9VAC 300mA unbranded multi voltage power supply - 9VAC
  • 16VDC 4.5A IBM laptop psu - 17VDC
  • 19.5VDC 3.9A Sony laptop psu - 19.4VDC
  • 12VDC 1A Netgear router - 17VDC
  • 12VDC 1A Linksys router - 17VDC
  • 5.3VDC 650mA unbranded - 5.2VDC
  • 7.5VDC 200mA TFA weather station - 12VDC


  • I think the most relevant of these is the last one. The weather station (http://www.tfa-dostmann.de/CD_2009/img/049.pdf) is made by an independent low volume manufacturer and costs around 200Euro.

    So whilst it would seem that the regulation of the Novag supply is poor, it is not the worst!

    I was surprised at the accuracy of the unbranded 9VDC supply I bought in an electronics shop. It comes with a number of connection tips and can be set to be both centre positive and centre negative. If you are worried I would suggest picking up something similar, mine cost 15-20Euro.

    I would be very cautious about measuring voltages on the cpu pins themselves. It looks to be a surface mount device and the pins will be very close together. The possibility of shorting the power to adjacent pins will be high, which may damage the board.

    Cheers

    chubby


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 29, 2009, 11:11AM


on 1251530962, chubbyupchuck wrote:

Oliver,
Ahh OK,
...
Cheers

chubby



Well, it's an interesting list, the fact is that most have enough precision, although there are some black beans on the list ;-)

I very much appreciate the advice about the readings on the PCB, actually you are right, read the readings near the CPU is dangerous, but the idea was to keep track of connection and read the voltage off the cpu, not to make some small slip causing any short circuit. Looking at the PCB, you can follow the path of power pins and take readings from a distance.

Anyway, thank you very much for the advice and good .. we'll see, I also think it will be the same readings.

bye, bye... ;-)


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: ricard60 on August 29, 2009, 02:46PM

Well Oliver,
I've seen that all your questions have been answered.
So you can use your 15 volts transformer.

low power regards
Ricardo


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on August 29, 2009, 03:42PM


on 1251582410, ricard60 wrote:

Well Oliver,
I've seen that all your questions have been answered.
So you can use your 15 volts transformer.

low power regards
Ricardo


well, Ricard, we may be able to "accept" like a pet an octopus... ;-) but...

Anyway I'm very clear, if the original AC/DC Novag was labeled a 220V-15V, although the computer require less voltage, there would be no problem... but...

but in his way, in which the label indicates AC/DC 220V-9V, and indeed this thread past 66%, shows that I can not trust the useful life of this source of energy.

[url=http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/3726/2xdatostransformadorcit.jpg]octopus

(it is obvious that this device does not have any type of security control at any time and can increase its output offset infamous other 66 %)

offset regards, 8)

Oliver.


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: ricard60 on August 30, 2009, 06:32AM

Oliver
About this label of the tranformer, that is definitely wrong. That transformer does not have a 9 vdc output, but you can use it as this voltage then goes to an IC voltage regulator that turns it to 9 vdc for citrine PCB. The maximum power that dissipate that IC is not more than 0.5 watts at citrine full load wich is far away from the maximum for that IC. Anyway i will test my citrine with batteries using your good work.

batteries regards
Ricardo


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on September 5, 2009, 06:09PM

Now I'm thinking an (oops!)embly that does not need to use batteries either, only a solar panel and a small circuit with a large capacitor, allowing use citrine, no battery charging times, obviously, is +50 hours of battery time more than enough, but I think it's interesting to get a rig that only require a light source, although this is artificial, and a solar panel, no battery, using the energy at the same time it is produced by plaque.

It may be possible, for I have seen solar panels for cars, 30 cm * 10 cm and very thin, used to recharge car batteries, and are capable of delivering 12 Volt and 125 mA in the best conditions, which possibly guarantee us at least 30 mA and + 8 Volts under conditions of cloudy days or use of artificial light, at first all the energy surplus is used to recharge the large capacitor through a transistor, if the primary source fails, use momentarily the energy stored in the capacitor, which is the correct voltage and deliver the right degree, possibly for more than 30 ~ 60 minutes without any kind of auxiliary power, and obviously with the lights out, though admittedly it is hard to play, the point is not that, but stabilize the supply of solar panel.

The cost should be much lower, as are the more expensive lithium batteries, which the system lacks, and there is no life cycle of these batteries.

If I had a good destination, I will tell you something.

greetings from Spain, Oliver


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: Shamray on April 1, 2011, 10:14PM

Novag is energonomic i see but solar batteries seem to be difficult to use...


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: Shamray on April 1, 2011, 10:17PM

Novag is energonomic i see but solar batteries seem to be difficult to use...


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: Mephisto on April 2, 2011, 05:53AM

Hi Oliver
Hope you are ok
Nice to read that you are still trying to developed your beloved Citrine. Please keep us posted as this topic is very interesting.
I've managed to develope a very cheap DIY press sensory board that connects to my 'Intelligent Chess Cube'.
Still in the latter stages of developement but works 100%
Here is a link with photos.
http://theintelligentchesscube.yolasite.com/
Regards from England
Bryan


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on April 19, 2011, 12:16PM

[quote author=Mephisto link=board=1;threadid=1851;start=0#msg13283 date=1301748803]
Hi Oliver
Hope you are ok
Nice to read that you are still trying to developed your beloved Citrine. Please keep us posted as this topic is very interesting.
I've managed to develope a very cheap DIY press sensory board that connects to my 'Intelligent Chess Cube'.
Still in the latter stages of developement but works 100%
Here is a link with photos.
http://theintelligentchesscube.yolasite.com/
Regards from England
Bryan

[/quote]


Hi ¡ Bryan


ok, Oliver it´s ok. I´m ok, ;-)

the solar preoyect was end, run ok, i think that the last solar model on market permit use novag citrine directly, not need battery, because have enough energy on a good day.

I'm thinking of creating a project citrine wind, and maybe a crank by removing one of those flashlights that originate in Singapore, could feed a couple of circuits as elevators and citrine think a rally, delivering power through the crank, and after that energy lasted the time you think the human,

could be called "Novag citrine sport": d

in any case be an ecological citrine not need nuclear energy never again.




uhmm...

http://theintelligentchesscube.yolasite.com/

wow ¡ that is very good, this it´s a lot of job work, but the result is very good...



I will read more carefully this link,

a big greeting from Spain to brian and comunity boardnations users,

oliver


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on April 20, 2011, 06:10AM

[quote author=Shamray link=board=1;threadid=1851;start=0#msg13282 date=1301721470]
Novag is energonomic i see but solar batteries seem to be difficult to use...
[/quote]

No, nothing problem, it´s very easy...

;-)


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: KarmaZen on April 20, 2011, 06:15AM


on 1301748803, Mephisto wrote:

Hi Oliver
Hope you are ok
Nice to read that you are still trying to developed your beloved Citrine. Please keep us posted as this topic is very interesting.
I've managed to develope a very cheap DIY press sensory board that connects to my 'Intelligent Chess Cube'.
Still in the latter stages of developement but works 100%
Here is a link with photos.
http://theintelligentchesscube.yolasite.com/
Regards from England
Bryan



Mr Mephisto, Users of MECA have loved your hub intelligent ...

http://meca.mundoforo.com/viewtopic.php?p=15732#15732

a lot of users write: G-E-N-I-A-L


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Title: Re:* CITRINE Novag solar battery modding> 100 hours ON-review
Post by: Mephisto on April 22, 2011, 01:01AM

He leído su foro en español muchas veces y estoy agradecido a los miembros de su especie que hicieron comentarios acerca de mi proyecto.
Saludos desde Inglaterra
Bryan
:)



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