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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Mike Watters on April 19, 2005, 03:08AM
	

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Title: CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 19, 2005, 03:08AM

Hi All

I just thought I would post the CC1 Serial Numbers we have so far. Perhaps others who own a CC1 will add their numbers to the list.

There does not seem to be any pattern in the Serial Numbers which identifies a CC1 as a CC1. Nevertheless it may be interesting to track what is happening over time as machines appear on Ebay etc and others change hands between collectors.

Here is the list :-

1827 Luis Barona Boj
5432 Wolfgang Rausch
5580 Karsten Bauermeister
6506 Steve Blincoe
6620 Kurt Kispert
6875 Karsten Bauermeister (Niggemann Museum)
7765 Gorgon Haas
8206 Karsten Bauermeister
8302 Mike Watters
11435 Mike Watters (ex Steve Blincoe, ex Steffen Scholz)
12140 Ismenio Sousa
13124 Heinz Nixdorf
14265 Manfred Vellmer
16533 Dick Schneiders
20137 Josef Zwinger
23143 Manfred Vellmer (ex Piel)
27566 Manfred Vellmer (ex Gnther Wste)
30409 Steffen Scholz
852194 (?) Alwin Gruber

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 19, 2005, 05:40AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1375 date=1113905289]
Hi All

I just thought I would post the CC1 Serial Numbers we have so far. Perhaps others who own a CC1 will add their numbers to the list.

There does not seem to be any pattern in the Serial Numbers which identifies a CC1 as a CC1. Nevertheless it may be interesting to track what is happening over time as machines appear on Ebay etc and others change hands between collectors.

Here is the list :-

1827 Luis Barona Boj
5432 Wolfgang Rausch
5580 Karsten Bauermeister
6506 Steve Blincoe
6620 Kurt Kispert
6875 Karsten Bauermeister (Niggemann Museum)
7765 Gorgon Haas
8206 Karsten Bauermeister
8302 Mike Watters
11435 Mike Watters (ex Steve Blincoe, ex Steffen Scholz)
12140 Ismenio Sousa
13124 Heinz Nixdorf
14265 Manfred Vellmer
16533 Dick Schneiders
20137 Josef Zwinger
23143 Manfred Vellmer (ex Piel)
27566 Manfred Vellmer (ex Gnther Wste)
30409 Steffen Scholz
852194 (?) Alwin Gruber

All the best
Mike
[/quote]

Mike,

Thanks for this. It is an interesting array of numbers. Does the question mark on the last entry mean that you aren't certain that is the correct serial number, or that you question the validity of a 6 digit number?

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 19, 2005, 05:51AM

[quote]Mike,

Thanks for this. It is an interesting array of numbers. Does the question mark on the last entry mean that you aren't certain that is the correct serial number, or that you question the validity of a 6 digit number?

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick

Yes, it is dubious. Karsten B put a question mark against it on the list of 14 he posted on Kurts site. I think the theory is that the serial number plate may have belonged to another type of machine.

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 19, 2005, 09:57AM

Thanks for yet another great list Mike!
I foresee the questions to future sellers now: hi, can you tell me what the serial number is? ;)

4b to 4d regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 19, 2005, 10:47AM

[quote]I foresee the questions to future sellers now: hi, can you tell me what the serial number is? ;)

4b to 4d regards,

Ismenio

[/quote]Ismenio

As long as no scammer tries to list number 12140 on Ebay. :o

It is a pity CC1s cannot play black. Mine are a bit lonesome with nothing bad enough to play against. :(

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 19, 2005, 12:08PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1387 date=1113929843]
Thanks for yet another great list Mike!
I foresee the questions to future sellers now: hi, can you tell me what the serial number is? ;)

4b to 4d regards,

Ismenio

[/quote]

I play 8g to 8f, in response, Ismenio. That is my usual response to Queen Pawn openings.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 19, 2005, 12:41PM

BTW Dick I found my FICS p(oops!)word after months of looking for it so I logged on.

In the chatroom was a certain "rgschneider". Any relation?

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 19, 2005, 12:49PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1398 date=1113939702]
BTW Dick I found my FICS p(oops!)word after months of looking for it so I logged on.

In the chatroom was a certain "rgschneider". Any relation?

Mike
[/quote]

I hate it when I forget or lose a p(oops!)word/log on name combination. Usually I simplay join up again when that happens.

I doubt that it is any relation. My last name has an "S" on both ends, and I have never seen any others like that in years of looking into big city phone directories (other than immediate family).

However, if they have a set of CC1/CC3 pieces they can spare, I would certainly claim them as a long lost cousin or something. ::)

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 20, 2005, 07:34AM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1396 date=1113937684]
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1387 date=1113929843]
Thanks for yet another great list Mike!
I foresee the questions to future sellers now: hi, can you tell me what the serial number is? ;)

4b to 4d regards,

Ismenio

[/quote]

I play 8g to 8f, in response, Ismenio. That is my usual response to Queen Pawn openings.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

Ismenio,

What, no response to my first move, as black? Is it that unusual? ;)

I am not crazy - that is the first move of an opening I have been playing for awhile.

I usually lose with it, but I usually lose with everything I try. At least this opening will give many of my opponents a different look from the very beginning. Also, some of my computers do not know what to do to take advantage of a strange wing opening like this.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 20, 2005, 03:41PM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1411 date=1114007643]
Ismenio,

What, no response to my first move, as black? Is it that unusual? ;)

I am not crazy - that is the first move of an opening I have been playing for awhile.

I usually lose with it, but I usually lose with everything I try. At least this opening will give many of my opponents a different look from the very beginning. Also, some of my computers do not know what to do to take advantage of a strange wing opening like this.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

Dick, that was an interesting opening but using the CC1 has my head spinning :o
If you revert to, let's say, the CC3 standard I can give it a try, though I'm probably not a player worthy of playing with anyone here! I have loved the game long before I developed this unhealthy interest in the computers but I was never a strong player :(

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 20, 2005, 04:11PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1417 date=1114036865]
[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1411 date=1114007643]
Ismenio,

What, no response to my first move, as black? Is it that unusual? ;)

I am not crazy - that is the first move of an opening I have been playing for awhile.

I usually lose with it, but I usually lose with everything I try. At least this opening will give many of my opponents a different look from the very beginning. Also, some of my computers do not know what to do to take advantage of a strange wing opening like this.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

Dick, that was an interesting opening but using the CC1 has my head spinning :o
If you revert to, let's say, the CC3 standard I can give it a try, though I'm probably not a player worthy of playing with anyone here! I have loved the game long before I developed this unhealthy interest in the computers but I was never a strong player :(

Ismenio

[/quote]How about a game of blindfold chess using CC1 notation? :o
No cheating and looking at a board.

Ismenio & Mike v Dick & A.N.Other (non-arcade conditions)

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) .........


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 20, 2005, 04:20PM

Now that would be a sure way to tell if someone were cheating in an online game ;D

Can you imagine seeing that in a chat window:

Player2: 2a-3b, I mean, b1d3! :)


Of course, if the guy was using a CC1 to cheat, that could be worse than those folks using a computer+software to cheat!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 20, 2005, 05:01PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1420 date=1114038678]

How about a game of blindfold chess using CC1 notation? :o
No cheating and looking at a board.

Ismenio & Mike v Dick & A.N.Other (non-arcade conditions)

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) .........


[/quote]

You have got to be kidding, Mike. "Blindfold" using the CC1 notation!! :o

I don't yet have a partner, but my next move would be:

2........, 7g-7e

I will soon be lost in a quagmire, trying to do this.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 21, 2005, 01:23AM

[quote]You have got to be kidding, Mike. "Blindfold" using the CC1 notation!! :o

I don't yet have a partner, but my next move would be:

2........, 7g-7e

I will soon be lost in a quagmire, trying to do this.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick now that is an interesting move.

I think that Ismenio and I will have to confer on that. ???

For a partner there is a guy called Anand who is supposed to be OK at blindfold, but your local chap Karpov will do.

Lost without a map
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 21, 2005, 03:28AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1429 date=1114071811]
[quote]You have got to be kidding, Mike. "Blindfold" using the CC1 notation!! :o

I don't yet have a partner, but my next move would be:

2........, 7g-7e

I will soon be lost in a quagmire, trying to do this.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick now that is an interesting move.

I think that Ismenio and I will have to confer on that. ???

For a partner there is a guy called Anand who is supposed to be OK at blindfold, but your local chap Karpov will do.

Lost without a map
Mike
[/quote]

Aha, do you mean you have not confronted this defense before? It actually is an opening devised by one of your countrymen, Michael Basman, in the 1970's, I believe.

I haven't used it on the reversed grid of the CC1, though, since it won't let me play black. Therefore, this "blindfold" idea, using CC1 notation, will probably not go very far before I am playing wrong moves, or even illegal ones.

That should be ok, though, since the CC1 allows illegal moves, right? ;D

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 21, 2005, 06:35AM

[quote]Aha, do you mean you have not confronted this defense before? It actually is an opening devised by one of your countrymen, Michael Basman, in the 1970's, I believe.

I haven't used it on the reversed grid of the CC1, though, since it won't let me play black. Therefore, this "blindfold" idea, using CC1 notation, will probably not go very far before I am playing wrong moves, or even illegal ones.

That should be ok, though, since the CC1 allows illegal moves, right? ;D

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Aha. Do not celebrate too soon. I used to subscribe to Mike Basmans "Rabbits Review" in the early 1980s. He was a sort of Hippy Hero of club chess players and weekend congresses at that time. I still have some training c(oops!)ette tapes of his somewhere. Now let me see ....Giuoco Piano, Greco Counter Gambit, Grunfeld....no I don't see it.

In front of me I have his "The Popchess Computer Special Dec 1983" in which he tests the Grob against the Sensory 9, Conchess, Mephisto II, MGS Morphy, Elite A/S and Constellation. He feeds them positions from Basman - Tony Miles (Benedictine 1981).

Changing the subject I see he does a short review of the Chess King Micro. Yoiks this means it was first sold in 1983 or before. I have to have one. :o It cost 32 in 1983. I will copy the review onto the Chess King thread.

Grob upside down in CC1 notation. I am feeling groggy. ???

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 21, 2005, 07:05AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1446 date=1114090517]
Aha. Do not celebrate too soon. I used to subscribe to Mike Basmans "Rabbits Review" in the early 1980s.



Quote:
Curses, foiled again!! :'(


In front of me I have his "The Popchess Computer Special Dec 1983" in which he tests the Grob against the Sensory 9, Conchess, Mephisto II, MGS Morphy, Elite A/S and Constellation. He feeds them positions from Basman - Tony Miles (Benedictine 1981).


Mike
[/quote]


Quote:
Now that would be some interesting reading - how did the Sensory 9 fare?


Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 21, 2005, 07:21AM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1448 date=1114092343]
[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1446 date=1114090517]
Aha. Do not celebrate too soon. I used to subscribe to Mike Basmans "Rabbits Review" in the early 1980s.



Quote:
Curses, foiled again!! :'(


In front of me I have his "The Popchess Computer Special Dec 1983" in which he tests the Grob against the Sensory 9, Conchess, Mephisto II, MGS Morphy, Elite A/S and Constellation. He feeds them positions from Basman - Tony Miles (Benedictine 1981).


Mike
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Now that would be some interesting reading - how did the Sensory 9 fare?


Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

Well, that also didn't work. I keep trying to figure out how to break up the original posting to insert my comments at various places, and it seems to be beyond my level of intelligence. I tried the "quote" option above, and that didn't do it.

Oh well, at least I did discover something very useful - the "Glow" option! ;D

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 21, 2005, 07:51AM


Quote:
[quote]Now that would be some interesting reading - how did the Sensory 9 fare?


Well, that also didn't work. I keep trying to figure out how to break up the original posting to insert my comments at various places, and it seems to be beyond my level of intelligence. I tried the "quote" option above, and that didn't do it.

Oh well, at least I did discover something very useful - the "Glow" option! ;D

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick

I gave up with that splitting the quoted p(oops!)ages thing because I couldn't get it to work. No doubt Ismenio will instruct us incompetents.

Mr Basman demonstrates the Sensory 9s strengths and weaknesses over 3 pages of explanation and diagrams.

Try this out with your Sensory 9 (Level 7)
1 g4 d5
2 h3 e5
3 Bg2 Nc6
4 c4 dxc4
5 Bxc6+ bxc6
6 Nf3 e4
7 Ne5 Bc5
8 Qa4 Qf6
9 Nc3 ?

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 12:51AM

Dick

So Serial Number 36164 is not a CC1. But that is a good set of pieces I see there. :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5190068161&fromMakeTrack=true

As Ismenio has sidestepped the blindfold move lets go :-

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M)

Grobing In The Dark 8)
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 25, 2005, 03:34AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1568 date=1114415483]
Dick

So Serial Number 36164 is not a CC1. But that is a good set of pieces I see there. :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5190068161&fromMakeTrack=true

As Ismenio has sidestepped the blindfold move lets go :-

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M)

Grobing In The Dark 8)
Mike
[/quote]

Mike,

Yes, I see that. I like it when the sellers use such clear and large pictures. It is easy to see what it is I am bidding on.

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g (I hope this is the King Bishop I am moving ;D)

I thought Grob was played with White?

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 04:38AM

[quote]Mike,

Yes, I see that. I like it when the sellers use such clear and large pictures. It is easy to see what it is I am bidding on.

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g (I hope this is the King Bishop I am moving ;D)

I thought Grob was played with White?

Dick Schneiders


[/quote]Yes I think it is, but Mike Basman used to play this sort of set up with black or white. Not that I know much about it, as you will soon see. Let's call it the Grob Defence until someone puts us right.

Umm you are showing your age. Kings bishop. Is that to Kings knight two? Now it starts to get more difficult.

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c which is what Ismenio would have played if he had been here. Where is he ???

Anatoly (GM)


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 25, 2005, 04:47AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1573 date=1114429089]
...
4. 7a-6c which is what Ismenio would have played if he had been here. Where is he ???

Anatoly (GM)
[/quote]

Just sitting back and enjoying the game! :D
I want to see the end of this!!

Can't wait to see when you guys decide to play FRC using this notation!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 25, 2005, 05:31AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1574 date=1114429651]

Just sitting back and enjoying the game! :D
I want to see the end of this!!

[quote]

You started this, and then you bow out - I know this was just a simple gambit to get me into a game so that you can all see how weak I am. :-[

Dick Schneiders

[/quote]


Can't wait to see when you guys decide to play FRC using this notation!

Ismenio
[/quote]

[quote]

Have you ever played Fischer Random Chess in a game? I never have. Are there any chess software packages that will allow FRC?

Dick Schneiders

[/quote]


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 25, 2005, 05:38AM

Weak? I find that really hard to believe Dick ;)
As for the FRC, I never got into that, though I find the idea interesting. I know of at least one program that plays Fischer Random Chess but can't remember the name now. I'm sure we can search for it.

I wonder if there is even a market for a chess computer that could play traditional chess + FRC ???

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 25, 2005, 06:32AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1573 date=1114429089]

Umm you are showing your age. Kings bishop. Is that to Kings knight two? Now it starts to get more difficult.

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c which is what Ismenio would have played if he had been here. Where is he ???

Anatoly (GM)


[/quote]


I am glad you keep repeating all of the moves - I have already forgotten where your pieces are located. :-[

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c 7ex6d

Is that the correct notation, using the "x", for this method? Or is it just 7e-6d?

I drew first blood! ;D

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 03:02PM

[quote]I am glad you keep repeating all of the moves - I have already forgotten where your pieces are located. :-[

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c 7ex6d

Is that the correct notation, using the "x", for this method? Or is it just 7e-6d?

I drew first blood! ;D[/quote]

Ouch!! We would have preferred to go on developing in our own sweet way. Wouldn't we Ismenio? But if you insist :-

5. 3ax6d.......

Mike
(On behalf of our Esteemed Host - again)


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 25, 2005, 03:23PM

This is getting interesting! :)
Go get him Mike! I think he's getting nervous!
He's about to fall for the CC1-Watters maneuver!
;D

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 03:37PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1583 date=1114467839]
This is getting interesting! :)
Go get him Mike! I think he's getting nervous!
He's about to fall for the CC1-Watters maneuver!
;D

Ismenio
[/quote]Psst email me. What is it?


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 25, 2005, 05:07PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1582 date=1114466563]

1. 4b-4d (I) 8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c 7ex6d
5. 3ax6d.......

Mike

[/quote]

This is my very first attempt at "blindfold" chess. I never even tried it against one of my computers, as I could not figure out how to "blindfold" the computer. ???

Even after only a few moves, I am already beginning to lose the position, in my mind. Not so much the position of the pieces, relative to each other, as I still have somewhat of a handle on that. The real problem, from my feeble mind, is I am losing contact with what lines are opened up, or potentially opening up, with every move. This makes it *very* difficult to maintain a lookout for possible enemy probes into my position, and/or any potential tactics I might employ.

It is frustrating, as this sort of analysis would be easy, with only a short glance at a physical chess board. It is like I am, well, blind! ::)

I am unable to imagine how the masters can play multiple, simultaneous blindfold games. Are they allowed to get clues, as they move from board to board, as to the postion so that they can be reminded of each game? If not, I am really astounded at this mental capacity.

Ok, I suppose I need to make a move, anyway.

3g-3e

Deeper and deeper into the quagmire I go.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Endspielgott on April 25, 2005, 11:00PM

Well I did it sometimes with a friend...playing blindfold chess.
The first time I did not manage it, but I tried it several times and after a while it worked...training was the key in this case. But is really hard to produce something worthy...

If you want to blindfold a computer you just have to put a scrap of paper over hte display ;D

christian


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Endspielgott on April 26, 2005, 12:44AM

Dick,

it is pure happenstance:

Last week I played blindfolded against the Sapphire 2 of a collegue of mine
(in the lunchbreak). We gave the Sapphire 3 seconds per move...of course I
lost the game, but I managed to survive some 50 moves...

[Event "3 seconds per move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Endspielgott"]
[Black "Sapphire II"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Annotator "M,S"]
[PlyCount "105"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 d4 3. Nce2 e5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng3 Nf6 6. Bc4 Be6 7. Bxe6 fxe6 8.
d3 Bb4+ 9. Bd2 Bxd2+ 10. Nxd2 O-O 11. O-O Qd6 12. Nc4 Qc5 13. Qd2 b5 14. Na5
Qb4 15. Qxb4 Nxb4 16. Rfc1 Ng4 17. a3 Na6 18. Rf1 Nb8 19. h3 Nf6 20. f4 exf4
21. Rxf4 e5 22. Rf2 c5 23. Nf5 a6 24. Raf1 Kh8 25. g4 Ra7 26. Kg2 (26. Nd6 Rd7
27. Nab7 (27. Ndb7) (27. Nab7 h6 28. h4 Kg8 29. g5 hxg5 30. hxg5 Nh7 31. g6 Nf6
32. Rh2)) 26... Raf7 27. Nd6 Rd7 28. Nf5 Rdf7 29. Nd6 Rd7 30. Nab7 h6 31. Kg3
Nc6 32. h4 Nd8 33. Nxd8 Rxd6 34. Nb7 Rc6 35. Na5 Rb6 36. Rf5 g6 37. R5f2 Kg7
38. Kg2 Rbb8 39. Nc6 Rbe8 40. g5 hxg5 41. hxg5 Nd7 42. Kg3 Rxf2 43. Rxf2 Rc8
44. Ne7 Rh8 45. Nd5 c4 46. b4 cxb3 47. cxb3 Nc5 48. Rf6 Rh1 49. a4 (49. Rc6
Nxd3 50. Rxa6) 49... Rd1 50. axb5 axb5 51. Nb4 Nxd3 52. Nxd3 Rxd3+ 53. Rf3 0-1


Viele Gre,

Christian


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 26, 2005, 04:44AM

Christian

That is better than one of my non-blindfold games.

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals. I think about 1000 Elo points has gone missing. Which doesn't leave many. :(

Dick go easy would you.

6. 5d-5e

I think Ismenio should do the next 5 moves.

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Endspielgott on April 26, 2005, 05:10AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1591 date=1114515876]
Christian

That is better than one of my non-blindfold games.

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals.


Mike


[/quote]

Mike,

you just have to turn your internal board 45 degrees...than the diagonals are lines ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 26, 2005, 05:18AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1592 date=1114517458]
[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1591 date=1114515876]
Christian

That is better than one of my non-blindfold games.

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals.


Mike


[/quote]

Mike,

you just have to turn your internal board 45 degrees...than the diagonals are lines ;D

Christian
[/quote]

Christian,

I think the other people at work know that I have finally gone nuts. I have been sitting at my desk, pointing at imaginary chess pieces in the air, as I contemplate my moves. I know what I am doing (I think), but they haven't a clue why I am doing it. ;D

I can't figure out how to turn the "internal board 45 degrees", but possibly if I just lean my body a bit to the left or the right, as I am pointing in the air, I will see those hidden diagonals.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 26, 2005, 05:26AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1591 date=1114515876]

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals. I think about 1000 Elo points has gone missing. Which doesn't leave many. :(

Dick go easy would you.

6. 5d-5e

I think Ismenio should do the next 5 moves.

Mike


[/quote]

Mike,

Yes, the diagonals are very difficult for me stay aware of.

You keep pushing those pawns - are you trying to get a second queen already?

I notice that you stopped repeating all of the moves - you figured out that was giving me some (oops!)istance, huh? Well, I do know how to scroll down the list of postings.

3ex4d

If I move a piece that isn't there, you will tell me, won't you? ;)

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Endspielgott on April 26, 2005, 05:55AM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=201;start=#msg1593 date=1114517925]

I can't figure out how to turn the "internal board 45 degrees", but possibly if I just lean my body a bit to the left or the right, as I am pointing in the air, I will see those hidden diagonals.

Dick Schneiders


[/quote]

Well, Dick,

at my work people are already sure about my mental sanity...they know that it does not exist ;D

Turning 45 degrees: I meant it (of course) mathematically, you know:

The lines are:
A1B2C3D4E5F6G7H8
B1C2D3E4F5G6H7
C1D2E3F4G5H6 and so on...
than it is easywhen you know on which turned line you are:
just add and substract, easy calculating operations


;)


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 26, 2005, 06:01AM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1593 date=1114517925]
...
I think the other people at work know that I have finally gone nuts. I have been sitting at my desk, pointing at imaginary chess pieces in the air, as I contemplate my moves. I know what I am doing (I think), but they haven't a clue why I am doing it. ;D
...

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

LOL!
:D

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 26, 2005, 01:39PM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1595 date=1114520135]


Well, Dick,

Turning 45 degrees: I meant it (of course) mathematically, you know:

The lines are:
A1B2C3D4E5F6G7H8
B1C2D3E4F5G6H7
C1D2E3F4G5H6 and so on...
than it is easywhen you know on which turned line you are:
just add and substract, easy calculating operations


;)


[/quote]

Thanks Christian,

I had not actually thought about it in that way. It does help.

However, you do realize that you have the square's coordinates backwards, don't you?

They should be:

1A2B3C4D5E6F7G8H
2A3B4C5D6E7F8G

and so on.

You did notice that Mike and I are playing this game using the Fidelity Chess Challenger 1 notation, didn't you?

;D ;D ;D

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Endspielgott on April 26, 2005, 09:47PM

Dick,

I did notice something odd in your playing...

though I never had a Fidelity computer :'(

I think I am missing something there.

Please could you translate your game in PGN ;D ;D ;D

Christian

P.S. of course you are right with the backwards coordinates!!!


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 27, 2005, 10:17PM

7. 4ax4d

Ismenio I am beginning to feel ever so queasy. :-[ It is time for you to take over.............

Over and Out
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 28, 2005, 05:43AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1622 date=1114665471]
7. 4ax4d

Ismenio I am beginning to feel ever so queasy. :-[ It is time for you to take over.............

Over and Out
Mike
[/quote]

Yeah, right, Mike! ::)

You already have made 3 moves that I didn't like, and I am really losing this position, in my mind. I have only played this opening a few times, and my opponents weren't as strong as you. I don't recall getting into this position, previously.

7. ....., 2h-3f

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 28, 2005, 08:43AM

[quote]Yeah, right, Mike! ::)

You already have made 3 moves that I didn't like, and I am really losing this position, in my mind. I have only played this opening a few times, and my opponents weren't as strong as you. I don't recall getting into this position, previously.

7. ....., 2h-3f

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick

What position? ;D

Maybe your opponents haven't played these moves because they can see the board. You will tell me when you are attacking my Queen won't you?

Where is Ismenio? Is he hiding?

Well he had better take over soon because I can't keep this 45 degree leaning going any longer.

8. 4d-5c

Blind panic regards
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 28, 2005, 09:58AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1627 date=1114703007]...
Where is Ismenio? Is he hiding?

Well he had better take over soon because I can't keep this 45 degree leaning going any longer.

8. 4d-5c

Blind panic regards
Mike
[/quote]

Yes, he is Mike! ;)

I can't spoil your fun. I know you two can do it. At the end we can replay the game, converting the notation, in a Phantom and share the video with others ;D

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 28, 2005, 11:24AM

[quote]
Yes, he is Mike! ;)

I can't spoil your fun. I know you two can do it. At the end we can replay the game, converting the notation, in a Phantom and share the video with others ;D

Ismenio

[/quote]There is a cruel streak in you. :(

You would set us up to ridicule like that? I offer a draw.

Any pretext to stop.
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 28, 2005, 12:40PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1627 date=1114703007]


You will tell me when you are attacking my Queen won't you?

[/quote]

Oops, sorry Mike. I didn't realize that we were playing that sort of game.

Uhhh, Queen Check!! (on my previous move)

;D

[quote]

8. 4d-5c


I offer a draw.

Any pretext to stop.
Mike

[/quote]

I would like to take you up on that offer, Mike, as it would save me from certain humiliation. However, I am very curious just how long I can go before I try to move a piece that isn't there, or move one of my pieces to a square that I already occupy.


8)......, 4g-4e


It certainly would be much easier if we were using the old notation like, P-KR4. That way the piece would be named and also the destination square would always be specified in relation to a fixed position - the opening positions of the pieces. This would help me to keep track of the positions. And it wouldn't matter that the Fidelity CC1 coordinates were backwards.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on April 28, 2005, 03:50PM

[quote]8)......, 4g-4e

[/quote]Dick

Very tricky ! Are you sure Anatoly isn't there?

Ismenio I should watch out for the 1A - 8H diagonal.

Blind faith regards
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Ismenio on April 28, 2005, 04:06PM

My head is spinning here!!
Mike, you know you're the best for this! ;D I have faith in you!
Remember Dick's favorite move? 8)

As for the Phantom video, what if we just list that as Player_A and Player_B?

Ismenio

PS: By the way, I didn't know that Dick and Mike's blindfold CC1-style game made it to the news! ;D

http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/event/eurotel02/r1.html



Who's Dick and who's Mike?

Ismenio


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 28, 2005, 04:47PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1639 date=1114728658]
[quote]8)......, 4g-4e

[/quote]Dick

Very tricky ! Are you sure Anatoly isn't there?

Ismenio I should watch out for the 1A - 8H diagonal.

Blind faith regards
Mike


[/quote]

Again with the diagonals, Mike! I think you are too obsessed with them.

Tricky???

I don't know tricky.

Maybe I moved the wrong piece on my last move. :-[

Seriously, Mike, I don't actually know the proper protocol for this time delayed "blindfold" chess. I may have been cheating. I have been writing down the moves, as they occur, and then reviewing them so that I can reconstruct what has happened, in my head.

If I was really blindfolded, I wouldn't be able to write down the moves, or read them.

Is this cheating?

If is it, then I will stop telling you about it in the future.

:-X

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on April 28, 2005, 04:49PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1641 date=1114729584]


Remember Dick's favorite move? 8)


Ismenio


[/quote]

Notice that I have yet to move my Queen.

At least, I don't think I have yet moved my Queen! ;)

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on May 2, 2005, 01:16PM

[quote]
Notice that I have yet to move my Queen.

At least, I don't think I have yet moved my Queen! ;)

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick

I did notice that you hadn't moved your Queen.

Did you notice that I hadn't moved at all for a while? ???

Mysterious Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on May 2, 2005, 07:49PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1707 date=1115064960]
[quote]
Notice that I have yet to move my Queen.

At least, I don't think I have yet moved my Queen! ;)

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick

I did notice that you hadn't moved your Queen.

Did you notice that I hadn't moved at all for a while? ???

Mysterious Mike
[/quote]

Yes, Mike, I did notice.

Do I even still have my Queen?

Hopefully I am coherent as I just consumed a lot of beer. We had our weekly golf league tonight and I had my 2nd ever hole in one, and we sort of celebrated over a bunch of suds.

For you non-golfers out there, that means that the tee shot went in the hole. Unfortunately, unlike my other one, I didn't see it go in as the sun was in my eyes. One of the other guys said he thought it went in the hole, but nobody believed him. However, I did go and look in the hole, thinking that I was being a fool to do so, and there was the ball.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on May 3, 2005, 12:32AM

[quote]Yes, Mike, I did notice.

Do I even still have my Queen?

Hopefully I am coherent as I just consumed a lot of beer. We had our weekly golf league tonight and I had my 2nd ever hole in one, and we sort of celebrated over a bunch of suds.

For you non-golfers out there, that means that the tee shot went in the hole. Unfortunately, unlike my other one, I didn't see it go in as the sun was in my eyes. One of the other guys said he thought it went in the hole, but nobody believed him. However, I did go and look in the hole, thinking that I was being a fool to do so, and there was the ball.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]
Dick




A hole in one is something I never achieved. Though I did look in the hole a few times it was always bad news rather than good news. :(

I would have been totally incoherent if I had performed this feat. You just seem your normal self. ;D

Keep a two off your card regards
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on May 3, 2005, 01:40AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1717 date=1115105568]
[quote]Yes, Mike, I did notice.

Do I even still have my Queen?

Hopefully I am coherent as I just consumed a lot of beer. We had our weekly golf league tonight and I had my 2nd ever hole in one, and we sort of celebrated over a bunch of suds.

For you non-golfers out there, that means that the tee shot went in the hole. Unfortunately, unlike my other one, I didn't see it go in as the sun was in my eyes. One of the other guys said he thought it went in the hole, but nobody believed him. However, I did go and look in the hole, thinking that I was being a fool to do so, and there was the ball.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]
Dick




[/quote]

Thanks, Mike.

[quote]

A hole in one is something I never achieved. Though I did look in the hole a few times it was always bad news rather than good news. :(

[/quote]

While this was a very well struck 7-iron shot, obviously there is much more luck in doing this than skill. The ball hit the green about 10 feet below the hole and just rolled in like a putt. So I am told, as all I saw was the ball in the air, due to the setting sun in my eyes. I don't play a lot anymore, usually only a couple times a week, and am only a bogey golfer. However, these sorts of individual shots do pique my interest all over again.

[quote]

I would have been totally incoherent if I had performed this feat. You just seem your normal self. ;D

Keep a two off your card regards
Mike
[/quote]

Whew!! That's a relief. I usually don't post when I am "under the influence" for fear of making an idiot of myself. Of course, there is the strong possibility that I did make an idiot of myself, and that is simply my norm. ;)

Since I am now up at 3:30 in the morning typing on the computer, I suspect I am still a bit excited over the hole-in-one. Either that, or I am still blotto. I don't seem to be able to tell the difference. :-[


Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on May 3, 2005, 01:52AM

[quote]
Since I am now up at 3:30 in the morning typing on the computer, I suspect I am still a bit excited over the hole-in-one. Either that, or I am still blotto. I don't seem to be able to tell the difference. :-[


Dick Schneiders

[/quote]Well I was up at 1.30 am last night thinking that I was going to get this really nice CC3 with the 3 level sticker on the box.

Amazingly I was outbid. I do not know who the guy was but he must be an ace bidder.

Guilt edged regards
Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on May 3, 2005, 02:14AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1728 date=1115110337]
[quote]
Since I am now up at 3:30 in the morning typing on the computer, I suspect I am still a bit excited over the hole-in-one. Either that, or I am still blotto. I don't seem to be able to tell the difference. :-[


Dick Schneiders

[/quote]Well I was up at 1.30 am last night thinking that I was going to get this really nice CC3 with the 3 level sticker on the box.

Amazingly I was outbid. I do not know who the guy was but he must be an ace bidder.

Guilt edged regards
Mike
[/quote]

Even more amazing, is the fact that at the time that CC3 auction was closing, I was on the golf course trying to chop down some trees using only a single golf ball.

I was far more successful in bidding on that auction, than I was in felling any trees.

How did I do it? No, I wasn't in two places at the same time (although, later in the evening, after celebrating too much, I wished I could have been). I didn't have my laptop in my golf bag, but that might be a solution in the future. And I didn't use my wife to bid for me - she would probably have refused me, anyway.

I am a bit embarr(oops!)ed to say it, but I used a commercial sniper site to bid on that CC3 for me, while I was having fun on the golf course. I had looked into these services in the past, but never actually used one. I enjoy being awake at weird hours to bid on stuff, like you, and want to feel the rush as I push the button.

This was amazingly simply, though, so I might need to use it again, if I have a conflict in my schedule. All I needed to do was input the item number, my eBay id, and a bid over over $1,000 and the CC3 was mine.

Actually, I didn't quite bid that much, but I did put in a pretty large number. ;D

While I was glad to win the CC3, it isn't quite as satisfying this way.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Mike Watters on May 3, 2005, 02:49AM

[quote]Even more amazing, is the fact that at the time that CC3 auction was closing, I was on the golf course trying to chop down some trees using only a single golf ball.

I was far more successful in bidding on that auction, than I was in felling any trees.

How did I do it? No, I wasn't in two places at the same time (although, later in the evening, after celebrating too much, I wished I could have been). I didn't have my laptop in my golf bag, but that might be a solution in the future. And I didn't use my wife to bid for me - she would probably have refused me, anyway.

I am a bit embarr(oops!)ed to say it, but I used a commercial sniper site to bid on that CC3 for me, while I was having fun on the golf course. I had looked into these services in the past, but never actually used one. I enjoy being awake at weird hours to bid on stuff, like you, and want to feel the rush as I push the button.

This was amazingly simply, though, so I might need to use it again, if I have a conflict in my schedule. All I needed to do was input the item number, my eBay id, and a bid over over $1,000 and the CC3 was mine.

Actually, I didn't quite bid that much, but I did put in a pretty large number. ;D

While I was glad to win the CC3, it isn't quite as satisfying this way.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]Dick

I clearly stood no chance. While you was causing ecological havoc with a small white ball I was researching how much would be reasonable to pay for such an item. I should have added a nought on the end. ;D

The other day I got beaten for the Novag Expert by Mr "maniacfurball" who bid at the exact second the auction closed.

Something tells me I am getting left behind. Ismenio tells me that bidding software/services are unethical so I shall just have to keep on plugging away picking up the scraps. :(

One thing is for sure I am NOT getting the wife to bid for me. :o :o

Mike


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Dick Schneiders on May 3, 2005, 03:28AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=201;start=0#msg1733 date=1115113759]

The other day I got beaten for the Novag Expert by Mr "maniacfurball" who bid at the exact second the auction closed.

[/quote]

I was watching that auction, and was surprised at the "timing" of his bid. I have seen bids at the last second before, and could not imagine it being done by a human hand. The sniper service I used will bid in the last few seconds and you can only have a single "snipe" going on at the same time, for free. However, for a fairly substantial fee they add a lot of additional services, one of which is placing the bid at the last second. Somehow, I don't think a few seconds makes a lot of difference. You actually got your bid in later than did my automatic bid.


[quote]

Something tells me I am getting left behind. Ismenio tells me that bidding software/services are unethical so I shall just have to keep on plugging away picking up the scraps. :(

[/quote]

While Ismenio is a wonderful person, and I like him a lot, I would go crazy trying to match his heightened sense of ethics. I can't do it, so I am letting myself go to the nether world. ;D

[quote]
One thing is for sure I am NOT getting the wife to bid for me. :o :o

Mike
[/quote]

Ah, come on Mike. Live a little! Start her out on small items like a Boris Diplomat or something similar. You never know, she might enjoy it and appreciate what you are going through, more. ;)

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:CC1 Serial Numbers
Post by: Meca on May 29, 2008, 07:37AM

I have seen that Mike has a list of the serial numbers in his site, here:

http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/html/fidelity_chess_challenger__cc1.html (http://www.chesscomputeruk.com/html/fidelity_chess_challenger__cc1.html)

and we can read there this list:

1002 Ebay ID “crusaderwoppy”
1171 Dick Schneiders (USA)
1668 “ultimategeek” (USA)
1827 Luis Barona Boj (Spain)
2367 Gaëtan Vignola (France)
2925 Alain Zanchetta (France)
5432 Wolfgang Rausch (Germany)
5580 Karsten Bauermeister (Germany)
6506 Steve Blincoe (USA)
6620 Kurt Kispert (Austria)
6875 Karsten Bauermeister (Niggemann Museum) (Germany)
7040 “meran” (Canada)
7765 Gorgon Haas
8206 Karsten Bauermeister (Germany)
8302 Mike Watters (UK)
11435 Chris Tatham (UK)
11744 Steffen Scholz (Germany)
12140 Ismenio Sousa (USA)
12315 Tom Luif (Netherlands)
12459 “supersebastiaan” (Netherlands)
13124 Heinz Nixdorf
13659 Luis Barona Boj (Spain)
14265 Manfred Vellmer (Germany)
15234 Luis Barona Boj (Spain)
16533 Dick Schneiders (USA)
16977 Eric Van Baars (Netherlands?)
20137 Axel Schumacher (Germany)
21490 Eric Belot (France)
22521 “fornaxx” (Germany)
22854 “ultimategeek” (USA)
22927 Nick Milicev (USA)
23143 Manfred Vellmer (Germany)
23558 “keckteh” (Spain)
23743 “spacious_mind”(USA)
27566 Manfred Vellmer (Germany)
29683 Larry Harper (Australia)
30409 Steffen Scholz (Germany)
36746 “dulce_simon” (Spain)
852194? Alwin Gruber (Germany)

Now, studing my 3 units and the photos I have found in the several web's collectors, I think that the very first units made were:

1.- SERIAL NUMBER HAVE 4 DIGITS
2.- THE SURFACE BOARD IS MATTE, HAS A LIGHT WHITE COLOUR, AND THE CHESS SET IS NOT REFLECTED ON IT



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