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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Martin on May 14, 2005, 02:19PM
	

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Title: Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 14, 2005, 02:19PM

As some may already have read it somewhere else (I'm spamming all schachcomputer related forums these days with it ;D), I'm a happy owner of the Resurrection:

http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=1&interval=0&width=1024
http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=2&interval=0&width=1024
http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=3&interval=0&width=1024

Just playing some quick games against it, a little bit more testing will perhaps start tomorrow.

Strongest Schachcomputer Regards,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 14, 2005, 03:31PM

Hooray! Congratulations Martin! That's the kind of spam I love to get! ;) And thanks for the pictures! Can I use them? I can add them to others. Also, let me know if you'd like to make any comments that I can put on the page dedicated to the Resurrection on the site. I can see that it is getting more hits than usual in the last couple of days.

How about a quick review? What features you like, etc?

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 14, 2005, 11:31PM

Hi All,

I am also a happy owner of Ruud´s creation ;D
It works fine, but one thing I am really missing:
You cannot turn the internal board :-[

More information + Photos will follow,

But today I have got family business!


Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 15, 2005, 05:42AM

So, now there is time to tell you more:

Ruud and I and another buyer which I did not know before did meet yesterday evening in a Munich in Hotel.
Ruud "delivered" the modules personally, this was great because there was time to explain us what to do, and, even more important, what not to do!
These sets are really still in the developpement phase, and probably will be for a long time...
So these first 12 buyers (yes, for the instant there are only 12 to take the risks) are some kind of testers for the system also. Since the software is easily updated via PC serial connection, we can all make proposals and Ruud will try to bíld them in or program our "wishes".

I think the next weeks will be full of experimentations and test games, so that all of "us" can give a detaild summary.

Photos: I do still not know how to put them here (maybe the problem can be found between my ears ;)), so I will send an email to Ismenio with some irst pictures attached.

After an hour or so we all departed happily (the other guy somewhat more happy than be, because the Resurrection does not function in my IMPOS board :'().
This is a small flaw for me, I also banished the Genius module in an exclusive to give way for something better...
But I am confident this can be solved in future.

Anyway, I am really impressed by Ruud´s work, by his personality and his enthusiasm. And I am glad that I can now participate in this project.

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 15, 2005, 05:49AM

Thanks for this preview Christian! Very interesting. Did you try the two programs?
When you said, "what not to do", what do you mean by that? What care should one take when using the module.
I'll also be very busy for the rest of the day but as soon as I get your pictures I'll post them here and update the site with them!
Quick question, do they have a serial number?

Take your time and enjoy your weekend. Just post whenever you have a chance. Looks like you and Alain have some new toys to play with for a while ;D

Herzliche Grüße and a good weekend,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 15, 2005, 06:02AM

Ismenio,

yes they have got serial numbers...the are numbered form 1 to 12. Number one will be the set of Mr Blincoe?, since this guy was the first to decide to support Ruud.
I have got number 12, so I haven been the last to take the decision...Mike and Alain will be somwhere between...

Concerning "what not to do"....
There are some things: You can switch the power supply between 12,9,5 and 3V. If you use the external circuit of the board, you use 9. If you go directly on the power supply module, you may use only 5V. Higher voltage will cause serious damage.
For the moment there is only one program available...but you could switch between Resurrection 1 .0 and 2.0...but never switch off the device of when you are changing the programs (boot lasts some 20 seconds)...if you interrupt the process of loading there will be a corrupted program in the eprom, and you have to send the modules to Ruud.

Well these are the two worst things one can do.

Now: family!

C.


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 15, 2005, 06:11AM

Here they are for your viewing pleasure! Thanks Christian!







Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 15, 2005, 06:14AM

Ismenio,

you are fast as a shark ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 15, 2005, 06:26AM

Christian, congrats to your Resurrection too! :)

I've posted a short message in a German forum:
http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=476

Unfortunately I don't have much time to translate at the moment but maybe babelfish will help a tad.

As Christian already said, it's still a sort of development stage, so some minor flaws will probably be there, which we'll hopefully find out soon. I played four games (I'll attach them here at the end too) and have to say that the module is very good playable. The only thing one is not used to is the booting time at the beginning (ca. 20 sec.) and the slower response time to the buttons (you have to hold them down a little bit). But this is nothing too disturbing. Another point is that if you want to change the modules and put them ie into a different board you also have to put a small card without a casing into the third slot which is not very easy. If you have no experience you have to fiddle around to hit the right spot. Ruud said this third one is necessary due to stability reasons; indeed I tried it without and Resurrection didn't get beyond the booting point -- the "Phoenix starting" text was frozen on the display. This is also the reason why you can't use the dummy casing for the third slot. However with this card it played well even in the modular board (see also pics below).

Ismenio: Yes, of course you can use my pics for your page if you like, no problem. :)

And now the games:

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v.2.5"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E17"]
[PlyCount "158"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. g3 b6 4. d4 Bb7 5. Bg2 Be7 6. Nc3 Ne4 7. Bd2 Bf6 8. Qc2
Nxd2 9. Qxd2 O-O {last bookmove} 10. Rd1 {last bookmove} 10... d5 11. cxd5 exd5
12. O-O Re8 13. Bh3 Nc6 14. Rfe1 a5 15. Rc1 a4 16. e3 a3 17. b3 Ra5 18. Ne2 Qd6
19. Nf4 Nb4 20. Nh5 Be7 21. Nf4 c5 22. Ne5 Rd8 23. Red1 cxd4 24. exd4 Bg5 25.
Re1 $11 Bxf4 $6 26. gxf4 Ba6 27. Bf5 g6 28. Bb1 f6 29. Nf3 Bc8 30. f5 Kg7 31.
fxg6 {Resurrection: +0.45, Hiarcs 9 (P4, 1.6 MHz): +1.91} 31... hxg6 32. Qe3 (
32. Nh4 $1 {idea:} 32... f5 33. Rxc8 Rxc8 34. Qg5 $18) 32... Ra7 33. Nh4 Bg4 {
Resurrection: +0.89, Hiarcs 9:+0.47} 34. f3 Bh5 35. Re2 Kh7 36. Qd2 Nc6 37. Rg2
(37. Nf5 $1 {Hiarcs 9} 37... gxf5 38. Bxf5+ Bg6 (38... Kg8 39. Rg2+ Rg7 40. Qh6
Rxg2+ 41. Kxg2 Ne7 42. Qh7+ Kf8 43. Qh8+) 39. Re6) 37... Ne7 38. Re1 {
Resurrection: +2.41, Hiarcs 9: +0.57} 38... f5 39. Qg5 {Resurrection: +1.34}
39... Rf8 40. Rge2 {Tasc: -0.74} 40... Rf7 41. Re6 Qb4 42. Kg2 Rc7 43. Kh3 {
Resurrection: +1.85, Hiarcs 9: +1.10} 43... Kg8 44. Bxf5 {Resurrection: +2.14}
44... Nxf5 {Tasc: -0.50, Hiarcs 9: +2.12} 45. Nxg6 Bxg6 {Tasc: -1.55} 46. Rxg6+
Rg7 47. Re8+ Kf7 {Hiarcs 9: +1.05} 48. Ree6 Rh7+ {
Tasc: -1.13, Resurrection: +1.16} 49. Kg4 Qxd4+ 50. Kxf5 Qd3+ 51. Re4 (51. Kf4
{Hiarcs 9: +1.30}) 51... Qxf3+ 52. Rf4 Qh5 53. Rxb6 (53. h4 $5) 53... Ke8 $11 {
Hiarcs 9} 54. Re6+ Kd7 55. Re7+ Kd6 56. Rxc7 Kxc7 57. h4 Qe2 58. Qg8 Rh5+ {
Tasc: +1.41} 59. Kg6 Qg2+ {Tasc: 0.00} 60. Kf7 Qh2 61. Qg7 Qxf4+ 62. Kg6+ {
Hiarcs 9: 0.00, Resurrection: +0.15} 62... Kd6 63. Kxh5 d4 64. Qg6+ Kd5 65. Qd3
Qe4 66. Qb5+ Kd6 67. Qb8+ Ke7 68. Qc7+ Ke6 69. Qc8+ Kf6 70. Qf8+ Ke5 {
Tasc: 0.00} 71. Qe7+ Kf4 72. Qg5+ Kf3 73. Qf6+ {
Resurrection: 0.00, Hiarcs 9: -1.44} 73... Ke2 {Tasc: +2.76} 74. Qd6 {
Resurrection: 0.00} 74... Qf5+ 75. Kh6 d3 {Tasc: +3.11} 76. Qe7+ Kf3 77. Qe1 {
Resurrection: -2.53} 77... Qf4+ 78. Kg7 {Resurrection: -5.59} 78... Qg3+ 79.
Qxg3+ Kxg3 0-1

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Tasc R30 v.2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D18"]
[PlyCount "101"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 d5 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. e3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8. O-O
Nbd7 9. Nh4 {last bookmove} 9... O-O 10. Nxf5 exf5 {last bookmove} 11. Bd3 {
Hiarcs 9 (P4m, 1.6 MHz): +0.60} 11... g6 12. Qb3 Qb6 13. Bd2 Ne4 $6 {
Hiarcs: +1.52} 14. Nxe4 {Tasc: +0.91} 14... fxe4 {Resurrection: -1.32} 15. Bxb4
exd3 16. Qc4 c5 17. dxc5 Rfc8 18. Rfc1 Ne5 19. Qxf7+ (19. Qe4 $5 {Hiarcs})
19... Kxf7 20. cxb6 Rxc1+ 21. Rxc1 Nc6 22. Bd2 axb6 23. b3 {Hiarcs: +1.98}
23... Rd8 24. f4 Ke6 25. Kf2 Rd5 26. e4 {Tasc: +1.86} 26... Rd7 {
Resurrection: -1.17} 27. Rc3 Nb4 28. g4 Nc2 29. h4 Kf6 30. h5 {Hiarcs: +2.28}
30... Na3 31. Rc8 Nb1 {Resurrection: -2.06} 32. Bb4 Kf7 (32... d2 $4 33. g5+
Ke6 34. Re8+ Kf7 35. Rf8+ Kg7 36. h6#) 33. Rf8+ Ke6 34. e5 {Hiarcs: +3.09}
34... d2 35. Rf6+ Kd5 36. Ke2 Ke4 {Resurrection: -2.30} 37. Rd6 Rc7 38. e6 gxh5
39. Rd7 {Tasc: +4.27} 39... Rc8 40. e7 {Resurrection: -4.36} 40... Re8 41. gxh5
Kxf4 42. Rd8 Nc3+ 43. Bxc3 d1=Q+ 44. Kxd1 Rxe7 {
Hiarcs: +5.31, Resurrection: -5.16} 45. Rd4+ Kg5 46. Rd5+ Kf4 47. Bd2+ Ke4 48.
Rg5 Rf7 49. h6 Rf1+ 50. Kc2 Rf8 51. Rg7 1-0

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Black "Mephisto London 68020"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D56"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. c4 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 O-O 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Ne4 8. Bxe7
Qxe7 9. Rc1 c6 10. Bd3 Nxc3 11. Rxc3 dxc4 12. Rxc4 Nd7 {London: last bookmove}
13. O-O e5 14. dxe5 Nxe5 15. Re4 Nxf3+ 16. Qxf3 Be6 17. Bc4 {
Hiarcs: last bookmove} 17... Rad8 {London: -0.12} 18. Bxe6 fxe6 19. Qe2 {
Resurrection: last bookmove} 19... Qf6 20. b3 {Resurrection: -0.01} 20... e5
21. f4 exf4 22. Rexf4 Qd6 23. Qc4+ Kh8 24. Rxf8+ Rxf8 25. Rf7 Rxf7 26. Qxf7 Qe5
27. Kf2 Qf6+ $6 28. Qxf6 gxf6 29. Kf3 Kg7 30. Kf4 a5 (30... Kg6 {
Hiarcs 9 (P4m, 1.6 GHz): +0.83 (16/31)}) 31. Kf5 {
Resurrection: +0.19, Hiarcs: +1.37} 31... Kf7 32. e4 a4 {London: -0.09} 33.
bxa4 b6 34. e5 fxe5 35. Kxe5 {Resurrection: +2.34} 35... Ke7 36. g4 Kd7 37. h4
Ke7 38. g5 {Resurrection: +3.73} 38... hxg5 {London: -4.54} 39. hxg5 Kf7 40.
Kd6 c5 41. a5 bxa5 42. Kxc5 1-0

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.15"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mephisto London 68020"]
[Black "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D11"]
[PlyCount "94"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c6 3. c4 dxc4 4. e3 b5 5. a4 e6 {Resurrection: last bookmove}
6. axb5 cxb5 {Resurrection: +0.29} 7. b3 {London: last bookmove} 7... a5 8.
bxc4 {London: +0.51} 8... b4 9. Ne5 {Hiarcs book: e4 / c5.} 9... Bb7 10. c5 Be7
11. Bb5+ Kf8 {Hiarcs 9 (P4m, 1.6 GHz): +1.00} 12. c6 $6 Ba6 13. Qh5 {
Hiarcs: 0.13} 13... g6 {Resurrection: +0.15} 14. Qf3 Bf6 {Resurrection: +1.07}
15. Nd7+ $2 {London: -0.30; decision in last second (Ba4)} 15... Nxd7 {
Resurrection: +1.69} 16. Bxa6 {London: -0.75} 16... Rxa6 17. cxd7 Qxd7 {
Resurrection: +2.20} 18. Nd2 a4 19. O-O Be7 20. Bb2 a3 {Resurrection: +2.41}
21. d5 {London: -1.00} 21... f6 22. e4 exd5 23. Rfd1 {London: -1.45} 23... Qa7
24. Bc1 dxe4 25. Nxe4 Qb7 26. Rd3 f5 {Resurrection: +4.19/+4.61} 27. Ng5 Qxf3
28. Nxf3 {London: -2.51} 28... Rd6 29. Rxd6 Bxd6 30. h4 Kg7 31. Ng5 Nf6 32.
Ne6+ Kf7 33. Ng5+ {London: -3.42} 33... Ke7 34. Be3 h6 35. Bd4 Re8 36. Nf3 Rc8
37. Re1+ Kf7 38. Rd1 Ne4 {Resurrection: +6.62} 39. h5 {London: -4.30} 39...
gxh5 40. Nh4 Ke6 41. f3 Ng3 42. Re1+ Kf7 43. f4 Bxf4 44. Kf2 Rc4 45. Nf3 Rc2+
46. Kg1 b3 47. Kh2 b2 0-1

Here are some more pics:
http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=4&interval=0&width=1024
http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=5&interval=0&width=1024

Best,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 15, 2005, 06:36AM

Martin,

Gratulation auch an Dich.

I find it interesting that the R30is strong enough to beat the Ruffian several games in a row...

DeKoning is really THEKING!

I will see how my R30 will fare ;)

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 15, 2005, 11:48AM

Couple more questions for you guys.

- How many levels of play do you have and what kind of setup to you have for them? (i.e., can you tweak the response time?)
- How easy is it to switch between the two programs? (When you mentioned changing modules, are you talking about the current Mephisto module you have and the Resurrection?)
- Does the module gets warm after you play for some time or is it just like a regular Mephisto one?
- Is the manual only in German?

Martin: Great pictures! I'll use them! They complement the ones you had before + the ones from Christian perfectly!

Many thanks and enjoy your Resurrection!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on May 15, 2005, 12:55PM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2026 date=1116162133]
Mike and Alain will be somwhere between...
[/quote]
unfortunately, I haven't ordered a Resurrection :-[ I think Ismenio was thinking about the Munich Risc I got yesterday (unless there is another collection named Alain ??? )... which is already too string for me

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 15, 2005, 02:37PM

You're right Alain. That's what I had in mind. That you, Martin and Christian had different toys to play with this weekend.

I also didn't order a Resurrection. I'm not a strong player and would not be using the unit that much, so I decided to focus more on other items for now.

So we have 12 brave folks on this project! I give them and Ruud all the credit! The ones I know of are: Martin, Christian, Steve and Mike. Plus the fellow that got it at the same time Christian did. I wonder who the others are.

By the way, did Ruud work for Tasc, H&G or some other company? I wonder how he got all that knowledge.

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 15, 2005, 03:13PM

Hi all,

just a short note. Ruud seems to have worked for Tasc or at least has a certain affinity to that company. He told me that my R30 (the one I bought from him) has once won the Dutch computer chess championship from which I conclude the above.

Alan, Ismenio: As far as I know there will be only a max of 25 Resurrection units. I guess Saitek didn't allow Ruud to make more of them. So if you still want one, maybe the opportunity won't last forever... ;)

- How many levels of play do you have and what kind of setup to you have for them? (i.e., can you tweak the response time?)

There are many levels but not infinitely many. There are time/moves (avg), time/moves (exact), moves/time, time/all, ply and analysis levels.

- How easy is it to switch between the two programs? (When you mentioned changing modules, are you talking about the current Mephisto module you have and the Resurrection?)

Two programs? At the moment there seems to be only the Ruffian program (if I don't overlook something). Re changing the modules: if you want to use a different board (Exclusive vs Munich and so on), you also have to put the third card into that board which is not very easy. But I managed it after fiddling a little bit so I think you all would be able to do that without any problem as well. Other Mephisto modules have nothing to do with that point.

- Does the module gets warm after you play for some time or is it just like a regular Mephisto one?

No temperature problems at all.

- Is the manual only in German?

The module speaks also English, so I guess there will be also an Eglish manual, although I possess only the German version.

Past Midnight Regards,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 15, 2005, 03:13PM

Martin and Christian

Congatulations on having the strongest dedicated chess computers on the planet.

Sadly I must be patient myself. :'(

Boys it is hard to take. Luckily I have been away this weekend, horse racing in the far north, Yorkshire that is. Otherwise I would have succumbed to a nasty attack of jealousy by now. Ruud has not even contacted me about a delivery so I know I have some time more to wait.

Only 12 on board so far is a concern, and a surprise.

Thanks for the games Martin I shall go through them tomorrow. Don't let that Tasc get too big a start on the Resurrection.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 15, 2005, 03:21PM

Hi Mike,

thank you. :D

Maybe I should let it play more games against the R30 instead of changin the opponent? (intended to switch over to Risc II now). Hmm, have to sleep over it... ;)

Re the 12, well... I think it also depends on the experience of this gang if there will be more interest in Ruuds astonishing achievement. We'll see...

Heading towards the Pillows Regards,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 16, 2005, 01:37AM

Mike,

you should have stayed in Yorkshire riding some more weeks since I talked to Ruud and we both agreed that you should wait some more weeks to learn humility ;D

Not I am joking. Hope you get yours soon.

I agree with Martin that much will depend on the experiances of the dirty dozen...

We´ll see...I am already anticipating the active graphical display. And I also hope that theDeepSjeng will be availabe soon...but one thing at a time.

All the best!

Christian

P.S. Since you are still waiting for the Resurrection, maybe you found some time for connecting one of your Smartboards?


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 16, 2005, 02:28AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2038 date=1116232674]
Mike,

you should have stayed in Yorkshire riding some more weeks since I talked to Ruud and we both agreed that you should wait some more weeks to learn humility ;D

Not I am joking. Hope you get yours soon.

I agree with Martin that much will depend on the experiances of the dirty dozen...

We´ll see...I am already anticipating the active graphical display. And I also hope that theDeepSjeng will be availabe soon...but one thing at a time.

All the best!

Christian

P.S. Since you are still waiting for the Resurrection, maybe you found some time for connecting one of your Smartboards?
[/quote]Christian

You would not find it difficult to find someone to agree with you on the humility. :( So I must take my punishment.

I have neglected the chess computers for a while, so have still to try the Smartboard again.

I only know five of the Dirty Dozen so far - Yourself, Martin, Robert Weck, Steve Blincoe and I. If this is the Filthy Five. Who are the Magnificent Seven?

The cable is on its way. Should arrive Thursday or Friday.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 16, 2005, 02:52AM

Hey Mike,

another one of the ´dirty dozen´ (I like that ;D) is Michael Voelschow, the host of schachcomputer.info. There must be some Austrian too but it's not Kurt.

Sherlock Holmes Regards,
Martin

P.S. Played another game this morning (against Risc II) and Resurrection won in a more or less convincing way with white. Hope I can play another game tonight but then is enough for this week. ;)


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 16, 2005, 11:56AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2039 date=1116235688]
Christian

I have neglected the chess computers for a while, so have still to try the Smartboard again.

I only know five of the Dirty Dozen so far - Yourself, Martin, Robert Weck, Steve Blincoe and I. If this is the Filthy Five. Who are the Magnificent Seven?

The cable is on its way. Should arrive Thursday or Friday.

All the best
Mike
[/quote]

Mike ,

THANK YOU. Postage is the same?

I know by face the 6th guy from Munich, his name was Brunner but I am not sure anymore.
Ruud told me also of a guy callled Victor Rawik? Must be Austrian...

Well we´ll find out who are the rest, I am sure.

50% is not bad for a start, isn´t it?

Christian

P.S. Better to neglect you computers than your wife...they do not strike back!


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 16, 2005, 12:52PM

[quote]Mike ,

THANK YOU. Postage is the same?

I know by face the 6th guy from Munich, his name was Brunner but I am not sure anymore.
Ruud told me also of a guy callled Victor Rawik? Must be Austrian...

Well we´ll find out who are the rest, I am sure.

50% is not bad for a start, isn´t it?

Christian

P.S. Better to neglect you computers than your wife...they do not strike back!
[/quote]Christian

The cable was £1.47 and the postage 60 pence. Peanuts compared with the interface you gave me. You are still way way ahead. :)

Victor Rawik is "frosch" from Vienna who has outbidding me on Ebay down to a fine art. See here:-

http://www.schachcomputer.at/kaufbeu4.htm

Difficult to compare the wife with a chess computer. A Novag Robot could give you a nasty bruise but the wife knows where to aim. :o

Mike









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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ruud Martin on May 16, 2005, 11:36PM

:)

Hi there to all users of this forum. I had a long weekend delivering the modules with my wife. Hope you will enjoy playing and hope also you will bear in mind that there could be bugs which have to be solved.

You will receive the package soon, as will the other buyers who did not receive it this weekend. UPS will collect the packages at my home today.

Greeting
Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ruud martin on May 16, 2005, 11:47PM

Guys,

I have not worked for TASC though i would have enjoyed it a lott.
I think that this (R30/R40) is probably the best chess computer ever released and that this is probably the only chess computer who can challenge my Resurrection succesfully. But this is just a matter of time.

I hope other chess programmers will convert their programs to my module, and i am sure that in time the ELO rating of the Resurrection will be at the top of the 'dedicated' chess computer lists.

greetings,
Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 17, 2005, 01:53AM

[quote author=Ruud Martin link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2056 date=1116311795]
:)

Hi there to all users of this forum. I had a long weekend delivering the modules with my wife. Hope you will enjoy playing and hope also you will bear in mind that there could be bugs which have to be solved.

You will receive the package soon, as will the other buyers who did not receive it this weekend. UPS will collect the packages at my home today.

Greeting
Ruud Martin
[/quote]Hi Ruud

Many thanks for your message and email. It is good to hear that I can join in the fun soon. :)

As you know there are a few of the "Dirty Dozen" that post messages here - Martin, Christian, myself and Robert Weck has been known to drop in. So this should be one of the best places for discussion about your Brainchild. I shall be posting Resurrection games with other chess computers - Tasc R30, Mephisto Genius London, Renaissance Sparc, Pocket Fritz 2 etc anything that can give it a game. Let us know if you have any opinions about how we go about testing.

All the best for now
Mike








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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 17, 2005, 04:48AM

Hi Ruud! Congratulations on your project and the first deliveries!

You should know that the Resurrection page on the site has been getting a lot of hits these past few days. Also, could you comment about availability and future orders?
I had questions asked about that. Also, would you be OK in handling inquiries in Portuguese? Let me know if you need help with that.

Best Regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 17, 2005, 04:48AM

The "Dirty Dozen" seem to be :-

1. Steve Blincoe
2. Martin Slowick
3. "tachol" ?
4. Michael Voelschow (Micha)
5. Robert Weck
6. Viktor Rawik
7. Stefan Ottow
8. S.M. Schmidmaier?
9. Karsten Bauermeister
10. Mike Watters
11. Claus Brauner
12. Christian Marquardt

Detective Mike 8)


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 17, 2005, 05:07AM

I have a feeling you work for the MI-6 Mike! :) (or the Scotland Yard!)
And now I know too much right? ;)
By the way, calling the group the "Dirty Dozen" was clever! I loved it!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ruud Martin on May 17, 2005, 05:36AM

For those interested, directly from the source (byp(oops!)ing any detectives ;)) and including Serial Numbers :

1. Steve Blincoe
2. Martin Slowik
3. Holger Tacka
4. Michael Völschow
5. Robert Weck
6. Viktor Rawik
7. Stefan Ottow
8. Martin Schmidmaier
9. Karsten Bauermeister
10. Michael Watters
11. Claus Brauner
12. Christian Marquardt

Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 17, 2005, 05:44AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2074 date=1116331645]
I have a feeling you work for the MI-6 Mike! :) (or the Scotland Yard!)
And now I know too much right? ;)
By the way, calling the group the "Dirty Dozen" was clever! I loved it!

Ismenio
[/quote]Ismenio

Now you know this you will receive a visit from strangers who talk funny and have a dry sense of humour. 8) Keep a packed suitcase with you at all times. You may have to leave at a moments notice.

I cannot take the credit for "Dirty Dozen", Christian started it. :(

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 17, 2005, 06:05AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2076 date=1116333851]
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2074 date=1116331645]

By the way, calling the group the "Dirty Dozen" was clever! I loved it!

Ismenio
[/quote]Ismenio

I cannot take the credit for "Dirty Dozen", Christian started it. :(

Mike
[/quote]

Mike,

I am sure you would the "dirty dozen thought" came to your mind instantaneously...you just did not dare to mention it here ;D

You let this do the young and foolish...:

King for a day, fool for a lifetime! Hope I didn´t offend anybody.

007 regards

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 17, 2005, 02:15PM

Just had a phone call from Ruud. The Resurrection is on its way. :D

Martin,
Many thanks for posting the games. The Tasc/Resurrection games are good ones. Plenty of complications. Resurrection looked like it would break through in the first. I cannot really believe it did not play 45. Nxf5, or am I missing something?

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 17, 2005, 07:36PM

Hooray! Congratulations Mike! Let us know when you get it!
I guess you won't want your Tasc anymore right? ;) :D

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 17, 2005, 09:47PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2090 date=1116383789]

I guess you won't want your Tasc anymore right? ;) :D

Ismenio

[/quote]

Ismenio,

since the Resurrection at his current state does a little bit hard to beat the Tasc, I guess Mike would keep him a while ;)

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 17, 2005, 11:03PM

Hi All,

since the Resurrection obviously has its problems with the Tasc I
played two games against the Sapphire 2. The first game was really a
surprise for me. Ruffian did not come out very well out of the opening
(one pawn down), and the Sapphire did not let him escape. In no part of
the game there was any chance of counterplay for the Resurrection.
Especially the endgame was played very well by the Sapphire.
In the final position the black Knight has got no moves at all, and the
black king can only move between e7 and f7.
Compliments to Mr Kittinger!

The second game was vice versa. Bad opening played by the Sapphire, and
the Resurrection crushed him in a few moves.

Christian


[Event "30 secongs per move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Sapphire 2"]
[Black "Resurrection (Ruffian)"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D10"]
[PlyCount "76"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 e5 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Nf3 e4 6. Ne5 Nc6 7. Qa4 Nge7 8. f3
Bf5 9. fxe4 dxe4 10. e3 a6 11. Bc4 Be6 12. Bxe6 fxe6 13. O-O b5 14. Nxc6 Nxc6
15. Qc2 Qd7 16. Qxe4 Rc8 17. Qf3 Bd6 18. Ne4 Rc7 19. Qf7+ Qxf7 20. Nxd6+ Kf8
21. Nxf7 Rxf7 22. Bd2 Rxf1+ 23. Rxf1+ Ke7 24. Be1 g5 25. h4 h6 26. g4 Rc8 27.
Kg2 b4 28. h5 a5 29. Kf3 Nb8 30. a3 Na6 31. Bg3 Rc2 32. Rf2 Rc8 33. Be5 Rf8+
34. Kg2 Rf7 35. Rxf7+ Kxf7 36. a4 b3 37. Bd6 Kg7 38. Kf3 Kf7 1-0

[Event "30 seconds per move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Resurrection (Ruffian)"]
[Black "Sapphire 2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A70"]
[PlyCount "45"]

{16384kB, General.ctg. PentiumII
} 1. d4 c5 2. d5 d6 3. c4 Nf6 4. Nc3 g6 5. e4
Bg7 6. Nf3 e6 7. h3 O-O 8. Bd3 exd5 9. cxd5 b5 10. Nxb5 Nxe4 11. O-O a6 12. Na3
Re8 13. Re1 f5 14. Nc4 Bb7 15. Bf4 Bf8 16. Bxe4 fxe4 17. Ng5 Qf6 18. Qd2 e3 19.
fxe3 Ra7 20. e4 Bh6 21. Rf1 Qd4+ 22. Qxd4 cxd4 23. Nxd6 1-0


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 18, 2005, 01:14AM

Hi all, hi Mike,

don't have a board right now but I guess there must have been a tactical reason for this.
Christian: Thank you for your games, I'll look over them next weekend (when I have a board or a computer with an installed chess program available again).

At schachcomputer.info I've already posted four further games (the third one showed the small bug which Ruuds adressed in his email to the ´dirty dozen´).

For the sake of completeness I'll include them here too.

Resurrection Regards,
Martin


[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Black "Risc II 1MB"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D36"]
[PlyCount "93"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 Be7 5. cxd5 exd5 6. Nf3 c6 {
Risc II: last bookmove} 7. Qc2 O-O 8. e3 {Resurrection: Last bookomve} 8... h6
9. Bf4 {Resurrection: 4min, 55s !} 9... Nh5 10. Be5 Nd7 11. Bd3 f6 12. Bg3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bb4 14. O-O-O Re8 15. a3 Bxc3 16. Qxc3 Nf8 17. Rh4 {
Resurrection: +0.50} 17... Qd6 {Risc II: -0.05} 18. Rdh1 b6 19. Nd2 c5 20. dxc5
$6 bxc5 21. Rd1 {Resurrection: -0.39} 21... Be6 22. Bc2 Rac8 23. Kb1 Bf7 24.
Bf5 Bg6 25. Bxg6 Nxg6 26. Rh5 Qd7 27. Nf3 Ne7 28. Ka1 Qb5 29. Qc2 Qb7 30. Nh4
Kf7 31. Nf5 Nxf5 32. Rxf5 Red8 33. f3 g6 34. Rh5 Kg7 35. Rh4 Rb8 36. Rdh1 Rh8
37. Rg4 f5 38. Ra4 Qb6 39. Qc3+ Kf7 40. g4 Rhd8 41. gxf5 gxf5 42. Qe5 {
Resurrection: +4.08} 42... Kg8 {Risc II: -1.01} 43. Rh3 Rb7 44. Rg3+ {
Resurrection: +6.36} 44... Kh7 {Risc II: -4.94} 45. Qxf5+ Kh8 46. Qe5+ Kh7 47.
Rag4 1-0

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Mephisto Risc II 1MB"]
[Black "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A57"]
[PlyCount "98"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 b5 {Resurrection: last bookmove} 4. a4 bxc4 5. Nc3 {
Risc II: last bookmove} 5... e6 6. e4 exd5 7. Nxd5 (7. e5 $5) 7... Ba6 8. Nxf6+
Qxf6 9. Qd5 Nc6 10. Bxc4 Bxc4 11. Qxc4 Qd4 12. Qe2 Qb4+ {Resurrection: +0.71}
13. Kf1 Nd4 14. Qd3 Be7 15. Ra2 O-O 16. Bd2 Qb3 17. Qxb3 Nxb3 {
Resurrection: +1.11} 18. Nf3 d5 19. exd5 {Risc II: -0.21} 19... Nxd2+ {
Resurrection: +0.68} 20. Nxd2 Rad8 21. Ke2 Rfe8 22. Ne4 $6 Bf8 23. Kf3 Rxd5 24.
Ra3 f5 25. Ng3 g5 26. Nh5 Kf7 27. Re3 g4+ {Resurrection: +1.54} 28. Kg3 Bd6+
29. Kh4 {Risc II: -1.12} 29... Be7+ 30. Kg3 Rd2 {Resurrection: +1.97} 31. Nf4
Bd6 {Resurrection: +2.95} 32. Rhe1 {Risc II: -1.55} 32... Rb8 33. Re5 Kf6 34.
Re6+ Kg5 35. Rxd6 Rxd6 36. Re6 $6 Rxe6 37. Nxe6+ Kg6 38. Nxc5 Rxb2 39. Ne6 Kf6
40. Nc5 Rb4 41. f3 Rc4 42. Nd7+ Ke7 43. Ne5 Rxa4 44. fxg4 fxg4 45. h3 gxh3 46.
gxh3 a5 47. Nc6+ Kd6 48. Nd8 Rb4 49. Nf7+ Kd5 0-1

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v.2.5"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D19"]
[PlyCount "126"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 c6 3. d4 d5 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bf5 6. e3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8. O-O
O-O 9. Qe2 {Resurrection: last bookmove} 9... c5 {Tasc: last bookmove} 10. dxc5
(10. Na2 Nc6 11. Nxb4 Nxb4 12. Bd2 Nc2 13. Rad1 cxd4 14. Bc3 Qc7 15. Nxd4 Nxd4
16. Bxd4) 10... Bxc3 11. bxc3 Nc6 12. Nd4 Ne4 {Tasc: -0.74} 13. Bb2 {
Resurrection: +0.81} 13... Ne5 14. Nxf5 exf5 {Tasc: -0.42} 15. Rad1 {
Resurrection: +0.56} 15... Qc7 16. Bd5 Rfe8 17. Rd4 Ng4 18. g3 Ngf6 19. Rfd1
Nxc5 20. Qb5 {Resurrection: +0.87} 20... a6 {Tasc: -0.19} 21. Qc4 Rac8 22. Bf3
Qe5 23. Qe2 Nfe4 24. Rd5 {Hiarcs 9 (P4m, 1.6GHz): 0.11 (11/25)} 24... Qe6 25.
Qc2 Qc6 26. R5d4 b6 27. Bg2 Rc7 28. f3 {Resurrection: +0.02} 28... Nf6 {
Tasc: -0.09} 29. Bc1 a5 30. Kh1 Rcc8 31. Qxf5 {Resurrection: -0.15} 31... Ne6 {
Tasc: +0.49} 32. Rd6 Qxa4 33. Bb2 Qb3 {Hiarcs: -0.41 (11/29)} 34. Qb1 Red8 35.
Qa1 {Resurrection: +0.03} 35... Rxd6 36. Rxd6 Nd5 37. e4 Ne3 {Tasc: +0.52} 38.
Bh3 {Resurrection: -0.67} 38... Qc2 {Tasc: +1.45} 39. Qc1 {Resurrection: -1.87}
39... Qe2 40. Rd2 Qxf3+ 41. Kg1 Re8 42. Bxe6 fxe6 43. Rf2 Qd1+ 44. Qxd1 {
Resurrection: -2.36} 44... Nxd1 {Tasc: +1.90} 45. Rd2 Ne3 46. Rd3 Nc4 47. Ba1 {
Resurrection: -2.47} 47... Rf8 {Tasc: +2.53} 48. h3 b5 49. h4 a4 50. h5 a3 51.
Kg2 {Resurrection: -3.00} 51... a2 {
not accepted by Resurrection -> setup position} 52. Kg1 e5 53. Kg2 Kf7 54. Rd7+
Ke6 55. Rd3 {Resurrection: -3.80} 55... Rf7 56. Kg1 Rd7 57. Rxd7 Kxd7 58. Kf1
Nd2+ 59. Ke2 {Resurrection: -5.01} 59... Nxe4 60. g4 Ke6 61. Kd1 Nf2+ 62. Kc1
Nxg4 63. Kc2 e4 0-1

[Event "30 sec/move (avg)"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2005.05.16"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Tasc R30 v.2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection v.2.00, (Ruffian)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D30"]
[PlyCount "106"]
[EventDate "2005.05.15"]
[SourceDate "2005.05.15"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 e6 3. c4 d5 4. Bg5 h6 5. Bxf6 Qxf6 {
Resurrection: last bookmove} 6. Qb3 dxc4 7. Qxc4 {Tasc: last bookmove} 7... Nc6
8. e3 Bd7 9. Be2 Bd6 10. O-O O-O 11. Nbd2 Qf5 12. Bd3 Qd5 13. Rfc1 f5 {
Resurrection: -0.08} 14. a3 f4 15. Qc2 {Tasc: +1.12} 15... fxe3 16. fxe3 Kh8
17. Nc4 Rac8 {Resurrection: +0.04} 18. Be4 Qh5 19. Rd1 a5 {Resurrection: -0.30}
20. d5 {Tasc: +1.35} 20... exd5 21. Rxd5 Qg4 22. Nxd6 cxd6 {Resurrection: -0.41
} 23. Rxd6 Nd4 24. Qd1 {Tasc: +1.13} 24... Nf5 25. Bxf5 Bxf5 26. Nd4 Qh4 {
Resurrection: -0.65} 27. Qd2 Be4 {Resurrection: -0.26} 28. Re6 a4 29. Re5 {
Tasc: +1.09} 29... Rf6 30. g3 Qg4 31. Qd1 Qg6 $1 {Resurrection: -0.74} 32. Qxa4
Rcf8 33. Ne2 {Tasc: +1.20} 33... Bf3 34. Qc4 $2 (34. Nd4 $11) 34... Bxe2 {
Resurrection: -0.27} 35. Qxe2 Rf2 36. Qd1 {Tasc: -0.33} 36... Qc6 {
Resurrection: +3.62} 37. e4 Qb6 38. Kh1 Rxh2+ $2 {Resurrection: +0.96} (38...
Qe3 $1 {Hiarcs: -8.68 (12/35)}) 39. Kxh2 Qxb2+ 40. Kg1 Qxe5 41. Qe1 Rf3 42. Kh2
Kh7 43. Kg2 Rxg3+ 44. Qxg3 Qb2+ {Resurrection: +1.32} 45. Kh3 {Tasc: -0.19}
45... Qxa1 46. e5 Qh1+ 47. Kg4 Qe4+ {Resurrection: +2.06} 48. Kh3 {Tasc: -1.56}
48... Qf5+ 49. Kh2 Qh5+ 50. Kg2 Qg6 51. a4 b6 52. Kh3 {Tasc: -2.44} 52... Qxg3+
{Resurrection: +3.74} 53. Kxg3 Kg6 0-1


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 19, 2005, 05:46AM

For those who are interested a tournament game between Resurrection and Genius 68030 33Mhz:

[Event "40 Zuege in 2 Stunden"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Genius 68030 33MHz"]
[Black "Resurrection 2.0 Ruffian"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D88"]
[Annotator "Endspiel,G"]
[PlyCount "102"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 c5 7. Bc4 Bg7 8.
Ne2 Nc6 9. Be3 O-O 10. O-O cxd4 11. cxd4 Bg4 12. f3 Na5 13. Bxf7+ Rxf7 14. fxg4
Rxf1+ 15. Kxf1 e5 16. Kg1 (16. d5 Qh4 17. h3 Nc4 18. Bc1) 16... exd4 17. Bxd4
Rc8 18. Bxg7 Kxg7 19. Qd4+ Qxd4+ 20. Nxd4 Rc4 21. Rd1 Kf6 22. g5+ Kxg5 23. Nf3+
Kf6 24. e5+ Ke7 25. Rd2 Nc6 26. Rb2 b6 27. Re2 h6 28. Kf2 g5 29. Kg3 Ke6 30. h3
Nd4 31. Nxd4+ Rxd4 32. Re3 Ra4 33. a3 b5 (33... Ra5 34. Kg4 Rxe5 35. Rc3 Rc5
36. Re3+ Kd5 37. Kh5 Rc6 38. Re7 a5) 34. Rb3 a6 35. Re3 a5 36. Rb3 b4 37. axb4
Rxb4 38. Rc3 a4 39. Rc6+ Kxe5 40. Rxh6 Kf5 41. Ra6 Rb3+ 42. Kf2 a3 43. Ke2 Kf4
44. Kd2 Rg3 45. Ke1 Ke5 46. Ra4 Kd5 47. Kf2 Rc3 48. g3 Rc2+ 49. Kf3 a2 50. h4
gxh4 51. gxh4 Ke6 1/2-1/2


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 19, 2005, 07:58AM

Hi All

It has arrived. :)

Currently the Resurrection sits in a Modular board and Ms Polgar is out on her ear. Just one game so far -
Mike v Resurrection 1/2 - 1/2 in 34 moves. Well the Resurrection does not accept draws, as far as I know, so I made up its mind for it. ;D

10 of 12


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 19, 2005, 12:56PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2108 date=1116514735]
Hi All

It has arrived. :)

Currently the Resurrection sits in a Modular board and Ms Polgar is out on her ear. Just one game so far -
Mike v Resurrection 1/2 - 1/2 in 34 moves. Well the Resurrection does not accept draws, as far as I know, so I made up its mind for it. ;D

10 of 12
[/quote]

Mike,

congrat.
Huuuuh. A draw! That´s not so bad for a start...are you an IM or did you just set his power supply to 3V ;D

And, most important: Where is the game?

C.


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 19, 2005, 02:58PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2108 date=1116514735]
Hi All

It has arrived. :)

Currently the Resurrection sits in a Modular board and Ms Polgar is out on her ear. Just one game so far -
Mike v Resurrection 1/2 - 1/2 in 34 moves. Well the Resurrection does not accept draws, as far as I know, so I made up its mind for it. ;D

10 of 12
[/quote]

Mike, Congratulations!



Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 19, 2005, 03:21PM

Ismenio and Christian

Thank you for your congratulations. I would have liked to post my game but unfortunately the Resurrection was so disgusted with his draw that he lost it for me. ::)

Actually although material was even Q,Kn,6 pawns Resurrection was showing 0.30 up and it would only have been a matter of time before I blundered.

The Resurrection works with the normal Modular board power supply and also the extra circuit board power input. Is that what others have found? Ruud reckons it is best to use the normal power input if you can.

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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 19, 2005, 06:51PM

Mike, did you get the manual in English?
Also, did Ruud give any details about upgrades.

I thought it was interesting that he posted about others writing programs for the module. I would image he would be publishing some sort of SDK, API or something like that.
That's what a programmer can use as a reference to write 3rd party code for a computer.

It would also be interesting to "hack" the unit! ;) Don't mind me, that's just a programmer speaking 8)

"Dirty Dozen" Regards,

Ismenio



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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 20, 2005, 12:29AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2117 date=1116553919]
Mike, did you get the manual in English?
Also, did Ruud give any details about upgrades.

I thought it was interesting that he posted about others writing programs for the module. I would image he would be publishing some sort of SDK, API or something like that.
That's what a programmer can use as a reference to write 3rd party code for a computer.

It would also be interesting to "hack" the unit! ;) Don't mind me, that's just a programmer speaking 8)

"Dirty Dozen" Regards,

Ismenio



[/quote]Nice poster Ismenio. :D

If I could reduce that I would use it for my posting picture thingy. Sadly I followed your instructions for manipulating pictures and it (Microsoft Paint) always tells me it can't handle that picture format. I know that I must be doing something stupid but I just do not have the knowedge. :-[

I do have the manual and dire warning in English. Surprisingly it hasn't yet appeared on Alains site.

Apparently there is already a 2.01v and manual and that could well arrive by email today. Ruud describes the update as this :-

Chessfriends,

I have worked on some existing bugs.

1) Promotion is now ok. Pawn a3a2 does not give a promotion question
anymore. Only A3A2 was a problem.
2) Variants are given the right figureletters in Deutsch. Eg. Ld7 and
not Bd7.
3) Setup Board left and right are now correct.
4. Keys are responding like a vancouver. This means that a single push
will active the functions.

New Function :
1) Reverse board is available.


I do not know why there is a new manual. Maybe there is a section about downloading.

Anyway we will soon see just what is involved in downloading new programs, potentially a fantastic innovation for chess computers.

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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on May 20, 2005, 12:41AM

Hi Mike,

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2119 date=1116574185]
I do have the manual and dire warning in English. Surprisingly it hasn't yet appeared on Alains site.
[/quote]
it is not that surprising : I don't have a Resurrection module :'(

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 20, 2005, 12:56AM

Ismenio,

great picture!!!

Had I only known that my sloppy dirty dozen remark had such consequences...I would have made it earlier ;)

Maybe we should propose Ruud to use this picture as a background picture for the active graphical display ;D

What do you think?

Christian


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Title: Resurrection : The Dirty Dozen
Post by: Phoenix Chess on May 20, 2005, 02:33AM

:-*

Guys,

The dirty dozen sounds great. Although i have to inform you that i also own a Resurrection ;)

And i have two testers in Holland : Louis van Bever and Hein Veldhuis.

But if you select only the buyers then there are indeed only the dirty dozen. Although all the postings that have been made have interested a considerable number of more people. ;D

And remember : Resurrection is maximised on 25 pieces, so do not wait any longer.... 8)

Regards,
Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 20, 2005, 04:19AM

Mike:
Try this one: http://xs29.xs.to/pics/05205/dirty_dozen_small.GIF
I may be too small though. I can see if we can enhance it later

Ruud:
You still need to contact me regarding that fellow from South America who has questions about the module (PS: Loved your picture :D )

Christian:
I still think calling the group the Dirty Dozen was a move worthy of a GM title ;)

Thanks!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 20, 2005, 05:07AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2124 date=1116587947]
(PS: Loved your picture :D )

Christian:
I still think calling the group the Dirty Dozen was a move worthy of a GM title ;)

Thanks!

Ismenio
[/quote]

Ismenio,

You should forward this particular idea to the FIDE...
This could be my only chance ever to get a title ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 20, 2005, 05:46AM

[quote]Mike:
Try this one: http://xs29.xs.to/pics/05205/dirty_dozen_small.GIF
I may be too small though. I can see if we can enhance it later

Ismenio
[/quote]Ismenio

Perfect. Thanks a lot.

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 21, 2005, 11:00PM

Well today being Sunday I should have time to play Resurrection and put it head to head against the Tasc R30.

I have just carried out the update to v2.01 mentioned below. It is a fairly simple procedure using HyperTerminal and a serial cable between the chess computer and the PC. The update file came as an email attachment from Ruud. Getting Resurrection to receive the update properly took a few goes but now I know what to look for, it should be straightforward.

Incidentally the update is added to the versions available on the module, and the versions are easily interchangeable using the menu options. So in theory we may end up with many different chess programs and versions on Resurrection. :)

Changing programs "on the fly" would be nice.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 22, 2005, 04:25AM

Mike, do you have a serial port on your computer or do you use a USB-to-Serial adapter?

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 22, 2005, 05:17AM

Hi all,

kudos to Ruud making it a very easy process indeed. Even me managed it within 5 minutes:

http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=7&interval=0&width=1024

Resurrection Regards,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 22, 2005, 11:25AM

Hi Martin,

What board are you using here?



Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on May 22, 2005, 01:35PM

Hi Ismenio,

it's a modular board:
http://www.schachcomputer.at/modular.htm

I wanted to test it against the London 68020 which doesn't work in a Modular and since I own only one Exclusive, the Resurrection had to move to the Modular... I probably will have to buy another wooden board to give the Royale Resurrection an adequate home... ;)
(as Steve already pointed out correctly).

RR Regards,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 24, 2005, 08:16AM

After some testing of the Resurrection against the Tasc R30 v2.5 I came to the conclusion that the Tasc does seem to have an advantage at 30 sec per move (average). I got a bit fed up with this :( so I tried them at 20 secs per move (average). This was a different story.

In the first game at 20 secs Resurrection, playing white, soon won a pawn, maintained an advantage and ground the Tasc down in 81 moves. Unfortunately I lost moves 2-9 :-[ so cannot post the game here.

The second game at 20 secs per move went like this :-

[Date 22/05/2005]
[White Tasc R30 v2.5]
[Black Resurrection v2.01]
[20 secs per move average]
[Result "0-1"]
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 d5 4. Bb5 Bd6 5.
Nf3 Qf6 6. d4 e4 7. Ne5 Nge7 8. O-O O-O 9. Qh5 g6 10. Ng4 Bxh2+ 11. Qxh2 Bxg4 12. Qxc7 a6 13. Bxc6 bxc6 14. Ba3 Rfe8 15. Nc3 Nf5 (Tasc +0.49 Ress +0.42) 16. Rfe1 Re6 17. Na4 Qd8 18.Qf4 Qh4 19. Nc5? g5 20. Qh2 Qxh2+ 21. Kxh2 Rh6+ 22.Kg1 Nh4 (Tasc -0.70 Ress +1.30) 23. Rec1 Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxd4 25. f3 Nb5 26. fxg4 Nxa3 27. Kf2 Rf6+ 28. Ke1 Rd6 29. c4 dxc4 30. bxc4 Rb8 31. Nxe4 Re6 32. Nxg5 Rxe3+ 33. Kf2 Rd3 34. Nf3 Rb2+ 35. Kg3 c5 36. g5 a5 37. Re1 Nxc4 38. Re8+ Kg7 39. Rc1 Ne3 40. Rxc5 Rxg2+ 41. Kh3 Rf2 (Tasc -2.09 Ress +1.95)42. Kg3 Rxa2 43. Rc1 Nf5+ 44. Kf4 Nd6 45. Re5 Ra4+ 46. Kg3 Raa3 47. Rf1 Nc4 (Tasc -5.00 Ress +4.86) 48. Re2 Nd2 49.Rxd2 Rxd2 50. Kf4 Rdd3 51. Ne5 Rd4+ 52. Kf5 Re3 53. Ng4 Rd5+ 54. Kf4 Rb3 55.Nh6 Rb4+ 56. Ke3 Rxg5 57. Nf5+ Kf8 58. Nh6 Rg3+ 59. Kd2 Rb7 60. Nf5 Rb2+ 61.Kc1 Rgg2 62. Ne3 Rge2 63. Rf4 Ra2 64. Kb1 a4 65. Nc4 Rg2 66. Rd4 h5 67. Rd8+Ke7 68. Rd1 Rae2 69. Rh1 h4 70. Rf1 h3 71. Ne3 Rxe3 72. Rh1 Ree2 73. Kc1 h2 74.Rf1 Rg1 75. Kd1 Reg2 76. Re1+ Rxe1+ 77. Kxe1 h1=Q# 0-1

The Tasc plays 19 Nc5 quickly but after the reply g5 its evaluation flips from +0.28 to -0.81. Resurrection soon wins a pawn and its active use of its rooks puts it well on top.

As I do not usually do much computer v computer testing I do not know the reason for others choosing 30 sec per move. From what I have seen Resurrection may be at a disadvantage using that particular response time.

Ismenio on your question about the Resurrection to PC connection, a USB to Serial cable would be more convenient. Ruud sent a Serial to Serial cable so that is what I have used. Is a USB to Serial cable easily obtained and would it work using HyperTerminal?

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 24, 2005, 11:29PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2160 date=1116947785]

Ismenio on your question about the Resurrection to PC connection, a USB to Serial cable would be more convenient. Ruud sent a Serial to Serial cable so that is what I have used. Is a USB to Serial cable easily obtained and would it work using HyperTerminal?

All the best
Mike
[/quote]


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 24, 2005, 11:34PM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2171 date=1117002594]
[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2160 date=1116947785]

Ismenio on your question about the Resurrection to PC connection, a USB to Serial cable would be more convenient. Ruud sent a Serial to Serial cable so that is what I have used. Is a USB to Serial cable easily obtained and would it work using HyperTerminal?

All the best
Mike
[/quote]
[/quote]

Next try;D


Mike,

at first thank you again for the cable. We tested it yesterday, and dispite the gnawing marks of my little one it worked perfectly well. ;D

To answer one of your questions: An USB - serial cable can be easily obtained at an electronic store...they might not be this cheap (10€ maybe, depending on the length)...

Your second question I cannot answer for sure...it should work but I did not (yet) try it (lack of cable). Short email to Ruud could solve this little riddle ;)

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 25, 2005, 01:48AM

[quote]
Mike,

at first thank you again for the cable. We tested it yesterday, and dispite the gnawing marks of my little one it worked perfectly well. ;D

To answer one of your questions: An USB - serial cable can be easily obtained at an electronic store...they might not be this cheap (10€ maybe, depending on the length)...

Your second question I cannot answer for sure...it should work but I did not (yet) try it (lack of cable). Short email to Ruud could solve this little riddle ;)

Christian
[/quote]Christian

Good to hear that the cable worked.

I shall email Ruud as you say. We have another update so I will watch out for a USB option along the way.
I was not 100% clear on what this update is about. En p(oops!)ant handling?

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 25, 2005, 02:01AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2174 date=1117010918]

I was not 100% clear on what this update is about. En p(oops!)ant handling?

[/quote]

Mike,

the update was about how to take out a piece in the correct order...at V2.00 and 2.01 you had first to remove the piece from the board and than execute the move of the "outtaker"...and you should not have executed these two steps too fast , otherwise R. could become confused...
With the update 2.02 this "bug" is fixed. This a update fixes apparently also something about en p(oops!)ant, but I never had a problem with this...in fact I never had a problem with taking out pieces and so on....

All the best

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 25, 2005, 02:06AM

All.

At my point of view the Ruffian is not as strong as the BT Test results say...I played several games, and if I end up in a somewhat postitional game the Ruffian does not know what to do...he is acting without any idea how to proceed or to take action...here one of several examples:


[Event "15 min per game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ruffian 2.01"]
[Black "Endspielgott"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B12"]
[PlyCount "114"]

{16384kB, General.ctg. PentiumII
} 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. c3 Qb6 5.
Nf3 e6 6. Nh4 Ne7 7. Nxf5 Nxf5 8. Bd3 g6 9. O-O Be7 10. Bxf5 gxf5 11. Qh5 Nd7
12. b3 Rc8 13. Bf4 Nf8 14. Bh6 Ng6 15. Bg7 Rg8 16. Qxh7 Kd7 17. Bf6 Rcf8 18.
Bxe7 Kxe7 19. Qh3 Kd7 20. Qe3 Qd8 21. Nd2 Nh4 22. g3 Rg4 23. Kh1 Ng6 24. Qh6
Rh8 25. Qe3 f4 26. Qf3 Qg5 27. Nb1 Qh6 28. Qg2 f3 29. Qg1 Nf4 30. Nd2 Ne2 31.
Nxf3 Nxg1 32. Kxg1 Re4 33. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 34. Rxe1 Qh5 35. Re3 Qf5 36. Kg2 Qc2 37.
b4 Qxa2 38. h4 a5 39. bxa5 Qxa5 40. Ng5 Rf8 41. Rf3 Ke8 42. Nh7 Rh8 43. Ng5 Rf8
44. Nh7 c5 45. Nxf8 Kxf8 46. h5 cxd4 47. cxd4 Kg7 48. Rf6 Qc7 49. g4 b5 50. g5
b4 51. g6 fxg6 52. Rxg6+ Kh7 53. Rg3 Qc4 54. Rf3 b3 55. Rf7+ Kh6 56. Rb7 Kxh5
57. Rh7+ Kg6 0-1


Other experiances?

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 25, 2005, 05:35AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2176 date=1117011979]
All.

At my point of view the Ruffian is not as strong as the BT Test results say...I played several games, and if I end up in a somewhat postitional game the Ruffian does not know what to do...he is acting without any idea how to proceed or to take action...here one of several examples:


[Event "15 min per game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ruffian 2.01"]
[Black "Endspielgott"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B12"]
[PlyCount "114"]

{16384kB, General.ctg. PentiumII
} 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. c3 Qb6 5.
Nf3 e6 6. Nh4 Ne7 7. Nxf5 Nxf5 8. Bd3 g6 9. O-O Be7 10. Bxf5 gxf5 11. Qh5 Nd7
12. b3 Rc8 13. Bf4 Nf8 14. Bh6 Ng6 15. Bg7 Rg8 16. Qxh7 Kd7 17. Bf6 Rcf8 18.
Bxe7 Kxe7 19. Qh3 Kd7 20. Qe3 Qd8 21. Nd2 Nh4 22. g3 Rg4 23. Kh1 Ng6 24. Qh6
Rh8 25. Qe3 f4 26. Qf3 Qg5 27. Nb1 Qh6 28. Qg2 f3 29. Qg1 Nf4 30. Nd2 Ne2 31.
Nxf3 Nxg1 32. Kxg1 Re4 33. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 34. Rxe1 Qh5 35. Re3 Qf5 36. Kg2 Qc2 37.
b4 Qxa2 38. h4 a5 39. bxa5 Qxa5 40. Ng5 Rf8 41. Rf3 Ke8 42. Nh7 Rh8 43. Ng5 Rf8
44. Nh7 c5 45. Nxf8 Kxf8 46. h5 cxd4 47. cxd4 Kg7 48. Rf6 Qc7 49. g4 b5 50. g5
b4 51. g6 fxg6 52. Rxg6+ Kh7 53. Rg3 Qc4 54. Rf3 b3 55. Rf7+ Kh6 56. Rb7 Kxh5
57. Rh7+ Kg6 0-1


Other experiances?

Christian
[/quote]Christian

In your game Ruffian seems unable to choose good moves from move 24 onwards. When I play this game Ruffian sometimes plays the moves it played against you, and sometimes more constructive moves counter attacking on the Queenside.

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 25, 2005, 05:50AM

Mike,

that is indeed interesting.
Given the same time it should reproduce the same moves...Maybe there is some "randomness" build in?

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on May 25, 2005, 09:45AM

Hi,

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2181 date=1117025415]
that is indeed interesting.
Given the same time it should reproduce the same moves...Maybe there is some "randomness" build in?
[/quote]
If the pondering is on, may be the time the opponent takes to answer could make the difference, isn't it ?

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 25, 2005, 11:29AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2184 date=1117039505]
Hi,

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2181 date=1117025415]
that is indeed interesting.
Given the same time it should reproduce the same moves...Maybe there is some "randomness" build in?
[/quote]
If the pondering is on, may be the time the opponent takes to answer could make the difference, isn't it ?

Best,
Alain

[/quote]

Alain,

I think you are right. I tend to move very fast, since I am an impatient person :D
Maybe Mike as an elderly chap (it is him who said so once) takes his time to execute the moves, and by doing this he might come to better results in the same position.

All the best,

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 25, 2005, 04:20PM


Quote:

Alain,

I think you are right. I tend to move very fast, since I am an impatient person :D
Maybe Mike as an elderly chap (it is him who said so once) takes his time to execute the moves, and by doing this he might come to better results in the same position.

All the best,

Christian
Christian

What a good memory you have. Of course I decide on my moves like lightning but it is only fair to give your opponent plenty of time to ponder. Isn't it?

As far as I know you cannot turn pondering off. Christian do you know what EXTRA does?

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on May 27, 2005, 04:31PM

Folks,

I found this excellent site that I'm definitely adding a link to. It's an on-line PGN viewer that let's you paste in your games and replay them right in the browser! The others I've seen require the game to be saved first. I've used it to replay the Resurrection games you're posting here and it works great! So you can view the games anywhere now!

http://members.shaw.ca/lapides/pgnedit/pgnedit.html

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 29, 2005, 12:12PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2195 date=1117063237]

What a good memory you have. Of course I decide on my moves like lightning but it is only fair to give your opponent plenty of time to ponder. Isn't it?

As far as I know you cannot turn pondering off. Christian do you know what EXTRA does?

Mike
[/quote]

Mike,
you decide on your moves like lightning....this tells me enough about your calculation depth ;)

EXTRA is something which cannot used by us, the access is only possible for Ruud (maybe online diagnostics or fundamental changes...). He told me NOT to meddle with this menu point...so I do.

But: If you cannot resist: Let me know your EXTRAPERIANCE ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on May 29, 2005, 01:16PM

[quote]EXTRA is something which cannot used by us, the access is only possible for Ruud (maybe online diagnostics or fundamental changes...). He told me NOT to meddle with this menu point...so I do.

But: If you cannot resist: Let me know your EXTRAPERIANCE ;D

Christian
[/quote]Whoops !! :-[

Christian I pressed Extra by mistake and as far as I know nothing happened. ???

Addicted Key Presser Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on May 29, 2005, 09:55PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2258 date=1117397805]
Whoops !! :-[

Christian I pressed Extra by mistake and as far as I know nothing happened. ???

Addicted Key Presser Mike
[/quote]

Hmmmm. Lucky you are. Obviously not the self destruction button ;D

Well I´ll still NOT try it...it has "Ruud only" written upon it.

C.


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 2, 2005, 04:16PM

Just finished a series of 6 games between Resurrection v2.02 and Tasc R30 v2.5 all at G30.

I expect you are wondering how they got on. 8)

With luck I should be able to post some of the games tomorrow.

10 of 12
Dirty Dozen


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on June 2, 2005, 08:29PM

First off, thank you all the Resurrection owners for posting their games. This gives the rest of us a chance to experience it.

Second, I've updated the Resurrection page and added all the 13 games posted here and you can now replay them right from the browser. Just check: http://www.ismenio.com/ruud.html

I'm having problems with the last 3 games. I'm not sure why they won't play. I'll try to get that fixed over the weekend.

When you click on a game for the first time it will take a moment for the script to load but after that, the next games should load fairly quickly.

Best Regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 5, 2005, 12:25AM

These are the first two of a series of 6 games played between Resurrection v2.02 and a Tasc R30 v2.5 on 2nd June.

Resurrection gets off to a flying start :-

[Event "Test Game 1"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.02"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D46"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "156"]
[TimeControl "Game in 30 minutes"]

1. c4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5.
e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 Bd6 7. O-O O-O 8. e4 dxc4 9. Bxc4 e5 10. Bg5 Qe7 11. Re1 Rd8 12.
Rc1 exd4 13. Qxd4 Bc5 14. Qd2 Ne5 15. Qc2 Bd6 16. Ne2 Nxf3+ 17. gxf3 h6 18. Be3
Bh3 19. Red1 Nh5 20. Qb3 b5 21. Bd3 Qf6 22. f4 Nxf4 23. Bxf4 Bxf4 24. Nxf4 Qg5+
25. Kh1 Qxf4 26. Be2 Qxf2 27. Qf3 Rxd1+ 28. Rxd1 Qh4 29. e5 Re8 30. Qxc6 Rxe5
31. Qa8+ Kh7 32. Qf3 f5 33. Qd3 Qf2 34. Qxh3 Qxe2 35. Rf1 Qxb2 36. Qd3 Qe2 37.
Qxe2 Rxe2 38. Rxf5 a6 39. a3 Re3 40. a4 bxa4 41. Ra5 a3 42. Rxa6 Rb3 43. Kg2
Rb2+ 44. Kg3 a2 45. h3 h5 46. Kf4 g6 47. h4 Kg7 48. Ra7+ Kf6 49. Ra6+ Ke7 50.
Ke5 Rd2 51. Ra7+ Kd8 52. Kf6 Rg2 53. Ke6 Kc8 54. Kf6 Kb8 55. Ra6 Kc7 56. Kf7
Kb7 57. Ra4 g5 58. hxg5 h4 59. g6 h3 60. g7 h2 61. g8=Q Rxg8 62. Rxa2 h1=Q 63.
Rb2+ Kc6 64. Rc2+ Kb5 65. Rb2+ Kc5 66. Kxg8 Qd5+ 67. Kf8 Qf5+ 68. Kg7 Qe5+ 69.
Kf7 Qxb2 70. Ke7 Qe5+ 71. Kf8 Qf6+ 72. Kg8 Qg6+ 73. Kh8 Qh5+ 74. Kg7 Kc6 75.
Kf6 Kd6 76. Kg7 Ke6 77. Kg8 Kf6 78. Kf8 Qf7# 0-1

On move 16 Tasc allows its King side pawns to be shattered and Resurrection soon wins one and gets well on top.

In the second game Tasc castles Queenside straight into trouble :-

[Event "Test Game 2"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.02"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D20"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[TimeControl "Game in 30 minutes"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 3. e4 e5 4. Nf3 Bb4+
5. Bd2 Bxd2+ 6. Nbxd2 exd4 7. Bxc4 Nc6 8. O-O Qf6 9. b4 Nge7 10. b5 Nd8 11. e5
Qf4 12. Nb3 Be6 13. g3 Qg4 14. Rc1 Bxc4 15. Rxc4 Ne6 16. Nbxd4 O-O-O 17. Qa4
Nxd4 18. Nxd4 Qh5 19. Qxa7 Qxe5 20. Rd1 Qd6 21. Qa8+ Kd7 22. Qxb7 Rc8 23. Rcc1
Rhe8 24. Nf3 Nf5 25. b6 Ke7 26. Rxd6 Nxd6 27. Rxc7+ Ke6 28. Ng5+ Kf6 29. Qf3+
Kxg5 30. Qd5+ Kg6 31. Qxd6+ f6 32. Qd3+ Kh6 33. g4 Re1+ 34. Kg2 Re5 35. Rxc8
Ra5 36. Qd2+ Rg5 37. h4 Kg6 38. Qd3+ Kf7 39. Qd7+ Kg6 40. Qe8+ Kh6 41. hxg5+
Kxg5 42. Qh5+ Kf4 43. Rc4# 1-0

Will Resurrection just keep on winning? I will post the other games later.

BTW Ismenio I tried to paste the games into the viewer you are using and managed that but could not Save them. Usual lack of computer savvy I expect :-[

Mike




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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 5, 2005, 01:49AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2335 date=1117956315]
These are the first two of a series of 6 games played between Resurrection v2.02 and a Tasc R30 v2.5 on 2nd June.
BTW Ismenio I tried to paste the games into the viewer you are using and managed that but could not Save them. Usual lack of computer savvy I expect :-[

Mike

[/quote]

Mike,

interesting games...how much time did you give them?

I am actually playing a tournament of 10 games RR-StarSapphire (60 minutes each per game).
After four games it is 2.5:1.5 for the Sapphire!

Kittinger regards

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 5, 2005, 06:55AM

Continuing the series of games, Tasc fights back.

In Game 3 Tasc has chances but the game peters out into a Three-Fold Repetition with 37 Rh7? :-

[Event "Test"]
[Site "Milton keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.02"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A01"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[TimeControl "Game in 30 minutes"]

1. b3 d5 2. Bb2 Bg4 3. Nf3 Nd7 4. e3 e6 5.
Bb5 Ngf6 6. h3 Bf5 7. g4 Bg6 8. g5 Ne4 9. Bxd7+ Qxd7 10. d3 Nc5 11. Nbd2 O-O-O
12. Ne5 Qe7 13. Nxg6 hxg6 14. Qg4 Na6 15. O-O-O Qc5 16. a3 Qa5 17. b4 Qa4 18.
Nf3 Bd6 19. Qd4 Nb8 20. Qxg7 Nd7 21. Nd2 Rdf8 22. f4 a5 23. bxa5 Qxa5 24. Nb3
Qa6 25. Qxh8 Rxh8 26. Bxh8 Qxa3+ 27. Bb2 Qa2 28. Bc3 Bc5 29. Nxc5 Nxc5 30. Rdg1
c6 31. h4 b6 32. h5 Na4 33. Bf6 Qa3+ 34. Kd1 gxh5 35. Rxh5 Qc5 36. Rh8+ Kd7 37.
Rh7 Qxe3 38. Re1 Qf3+ 39. Re2 Qf1+ 40. Re1 Qf3+ 41. Re2 Qf1+ 42. Re1 Qf3+
1/2-1/2

In Game 4 Tasc bites back.

[Event "Test"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.02"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D17"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "132"]
[TimeControl "Game in 30 minutes"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4
5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Nxc4 Qc7 8. g3 e5 9. dxe5 Nxe5 10. Bf4 Rd8 11. Qc1 Bd6
12. Nxd6+ Qxd6 13. Bg2 O-O 14. O-O Rfe8 15. Rd1 Qc5 16. Rxd8 Rxd8 17. Be3 Qa5
18. Bg5 Qb4 19. Qf4 Qxb2 20. Rc1 h6 21. Bxf6 gxf6 22. Rf1 Bg6 23. Ne4 Bxe4 24.
Qxe4 Rd4 25. Qb1 Rd2 26. Qf5 Rxe2 27. Rb1 Qa2 28. Be4 Qd2 29. Kf1 h5 30. Qh7+
Kf8 31. Qh8+ Ke7 32. Rxb7+ Nd7 33. Rxd7+ Kxd7 34. Bxc6+ Kc7 35. Qxf6 Qe1+ 36.
Kg2 Re6 37. Qxf7+ Kxc6 38. Qxa7 Qe4+ 39. Kh3 Qf5+ 40. Kg2 Qd5+ 41. Kh3 Rd6 42.
a5 Kb5 43. Qc7 Qf5+ 44. Kg2 Qd7 45. Qxd7+ Rxd7 46. h3 Kxa5 47. g4 Rg7 48. Kg3
Kb4 49. f4 Kc5 50. g5 Kd4 51. Kf3 Rg8 52. h4 Rf8 53. Kg3 Ke4 54. f5 Rxf5 55.
Kh2 Rf4 56. Kg3 Rg4+ 57. Kf2 Kf5 58. g6 Kxg6 59. Kf3 Rxh4 60. Ke3 Kf5 61. Ke2
Re4+ 62. Kf1 Kf4 63. Kf2 Kg4 64. Kg1 Kg3 65. Kf1 h4 66. Kg1 Re1# 0-1

This seems to be a more subtle game which is beyond my limited interpretation. Resurrection starts to lose its way around move 19 but can still apparently retreive the situation by 30 Rxb7. Instead the move played Qh7+ loses quickly.

Interestingly Game 6 reaches the same position on move 16 but diverges with 17 Ne4....

But more of that later.

Christian
All games are "Game in 30 minutes" i.e. both chess computers have 30 minutes to make all their moves. I find Resurrection's use of time fascinating in that it will play most moves quite quickly. Then occasionally it will have a long ponder of 2 or 3 minutes for no obvious reason. This might be repeated the very next move or not at all.

Match so far Resurrection 2.5 Tasc 1.5.

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 5, 2005, 10:15AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2341 date=1117979727]

I find Resurrection's use of time fascinating in that it will play most moves quite quickly. Then occasionally it will have a long ponder of 2 or 3 minutes for no obvious reason. This might be repeated the very next move or not at all.

Match so far Resurrection 2.5 Tasc 1.5.

Mike


[/quote]

Mike,

maybe this is because of his permanent brain...most of the older computers could only consider one possible reply whilst pondering...it is possible that the RR examines several possible answers and therefore his replies are sometimes very fast...his RAM is 16MB!!!

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on June 5, 2005, 07:52PM

Interesting results you're all getting! I would be curious to see a match against Alain's CEBoard as well. Just a thought.

Mike, you're not doing anything wrong with the viewer. It really doesn't have the save feature. That's why I'm using the other module on the Resurrection page to allow us to replay the games there. I'll try to put links to all the games posted here. I also need to update the page with something more than just Game #1, Game #2, etc. At least something like RR vs. Mephisto Genius, etc.

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 6, 2005, 01:21AM

The final two games of the six game series Tasc R30 v2.5 versus Resurrection v2.02

[Event "Test"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.02"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D18"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "95"]
[TimeControl "Game in 30 minutes"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4
5. a4 Bf5 6. e3 e6 7. Bxc4 Bb4 8. O-O Nbd7 9. Qb3 a5 10. Nh4 Bg4 11. f3 Bh5 12.
g3 Nb6 13. Bd3 g5 14. Ng2 O-O 15. Na2 Bd6 16. e4 Bc7 17. Be3 Nfd7 18. Nc3 Qe7
19. e5 Rad8 20. Ne4 h6 21. g4 Bg6 22. f4 c5 23. dxc5 Nd5 24. Bd4 gxf4 25. Nd6
Qg5 26. Bc4 Nxe5 27. h4 Qxg4 28. Bxe5 Be4 29. Rf2 Rxd6 30. Bxd6 Bxd6 31. cxd6
f3 32. Bxd5 exd5 33. Qd1 h5 34. Rc1 Rd8 35. d7 Rxd7 36. Rc8+ Kg7 37. Qd4+ f6
38. Qb6 Kh7 39. Qxf6 Rg7 40. Qf8 fxg2 41. Qh8+ Kg6 42. Qe8+ Kh6 43. Rf6+ Bg6
44. Qh8+ Rh7 45. Qf8+ Rg7 46. Qh8+ Rh7 47. Qf8+ Rg7 48. Qh8+ 1/2-1/2

Another QGD Slav. This time the Dutch Variation, which is appropriate in a Dutch v Dutch computer match. :)

The two computers trade blow for blow in a middle game which, to this 1600 Elo plodder, looks horrendously complicated. On move 27 Resurrection sacrifices a knight for a dangerous "looking" attack on Tascs king. Not satisfied with that, two moves later, it sacrifices the exchange on d6. A rook up Tascs knight is however pinned to its king. Tasc then launches all its major pieces in a dangerous looking attack on Resurrections king. Somehow Resurrection clings on for another three fold repetition. Great stuff !

And now to the finale. Game 6.

[Event "Test"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.02"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D17"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "121"]
[TimeControl "Game in 30 minutes"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4
5. a4 Bf5 6. Ne5 Nbd7 7. Nxc4 Qc7 8. g3 e5 9. dxe5 Nxe5 10. Bf4 Rd8 11. Qc1 Bd6
12. Nxd6+ Qxd6 13. Bg2 O-O 14. O-O Rfe8 15. Rd1 Qc5 16. Rxd8 Rxd8 17. Ne4 Nxe4
18. Qxc5 Nxc5 19. Bxe5 f6 20. Bc3 Nxa4 21. Bd5+ Rxd5 22. Rxa4 Rd1+ 23. Kg2 a6
24. Kf3 Kf7 25. e4 Be6 26. Ke2 Rh1 27. h4 c5 28. e5 fxe5 29. Bxe5 Kg6 30. Re4
b5 31. Bd6 Bf5 32. Re7 Kf6 33. Bxc5 Rc1 34. Rc7 Rc4 35. f4 a5 36. h5 Ke6 37.
Re7+ Kd5 38. Re5+ Kc6 39. Rxf5 Rxc5 40. h6 g6 41. Rxc5+ Kxc5 42. g4 Kd5 43. f5
g5 44. Kd3 Ke5 45. Kd2 Kf6 46. Kc2 Ke5 47. Kb3 Kd6 48. Kc3 Kd5 49. b3 Ke5 50.
Kb2 Kf6 51. Kc2 Ke5 52. Kc3 Kd5 53. Kd2 Ke5 54. Kc2 Kd6 55. Kd1 Ke5 56. Kc1 Kf6
57. Kb2 Ke5 58. Kc1 Kf6 59. Kb2 Ke5 60. Ka3 Kf6 61. Kb2 1/2-1/2

This is another QGD Slav reaching the same position at move 16 as in Game 4. However 17 Ne4 leads to an exchange of pieces and an opposite coloured bishops endgame. Despite a 3 to 1 pawn majority on the queenside Tasc makes nothing of it and soon neither side can make progress.

So the 6 game series finishes Resurrection 3.5 to Tasc 2.5. My overall impression watching the evaluations of the Tasc, Resurrection and Pocket Fritz 2 through these 6 games is that there is very little between these two chess computers at this level setting (Game in 30 minutes). Of course a very much larger number of games is needed before any reliable conclusions can be drawn.

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on June 6, 2005, 03:46AM

[quote]Hello Mike,

[quote author=Mike Watters
All games are "Game in 30 minutes" i.e. both chess computers have 30 minutes to make all their moves.
[/quote]
How was your setting of "all moves"? I have changed it from 60 to 98 or 99 because many of my RR-games have more than 60 moves and then it is overstepping! (after move 60 it gives itself another 30min; so 30min/all with "all moves" set to 60 is only 30sec/avg.)

I told Ruud already to correct this; but when set to 98, it is ok for the most games (as they don't have that many moves)

[quote]
I find Resurrection's use of time fascinating in that it will play most moves quite quickly. Then occasionally it will have a long ponder of 2 or 3 minutes for no obvious reason.
[/quote]
And even when there is only one logical move!


Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 8, 2005, 08:43AM

Following its series win 3.5 - 2.5 against the Tasc R30 Resurrection is now pitted against a Mephisto Genius 68030 with the London upgrade. This chess computer has stood just behind the Tasc R30 in the Elo List since I was a boy in short trousers.

Resurrection is playing in a humble Modular board whilst the Mephisto emerges from its Koffer in an Exclusive board. There isn't room for anything bigger on my dining room table. :(

And Mephisto comes out fighting :-

[Event "Game in 30 minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Mephisto Genius 68030 London"]
[Black "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B22"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "171"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5.
cxd4 d6 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Bc4 Nb6 8. Bb5 dxe5 9. Nxe5 Bd7 10. Bxc6 Bxc6 11. Nxc6
bxc6 12. O-O e6 13. Qg4 h5 14. Qe4 Qd5 15. Nc3 Qxe4 16. Nxe4 Nd5 17. Bd2 Rb8
18. b3 Ba3 19. Bc1 Bb4 20. Bg5 f6 21. Bd2 f5 22. Bxb4 Rxb4 23. Ng5 Ke7 24. Rfe1
Kf6 25. Nxe6 Re8 26. Nc5 Rxe1+ 27. Rxe1 Rxd4 28. Nd7+ Kg5 29. Ne5 Re4 30. Rxe4
fxe4 31. Nxc6 a6 32. Nb8 Nc7 33. Kf1 Kf4 34. Ke2 Ke5 35. Ke3 Nd5+ 36. Kd2 Nc7
37. Kc3 g5 38. Kb4 h4 39. Ka5 Nd5 40. Nxa6 e3 41. fxe3 Nxe3 42. b4 Kd6 43. b5
g4 44. b6 Kc6 45. Nb8+ Kb7 46. Nd7 Nc4+ 47. Kb5 Nd6+ 48. Kb4 Kc6 49. Ne5+ Kxb6
50. Nxg4 Kc6 51. Ne5+ Kd5 52. Nf3 Nf5 53. a4 Kc6 54. Ne5+ Kd5 55. Ng6 Kd6 56.
a5 Kc6 57. Ne5+ Kb7 58. Kb5 Nd4+ 59. Ka4 Nf5 60. Nf3 Ka6 61. Kb4 Ne3 62. Nxh4
Nd5+ 63. Ka4 Nc3+ 64. Kb3 Nd5 65. g4 Kxa5 66. g5 Ne7 67. Kc4 Kb6 68. Kd4 Kc6
69. Ke5 Kc7 70. Ke6 Kd8 71. g6 Ke8 72. g7 Kd8 73. Nf5 Ng8 74. Kf7 Kc7 75. Kxg8
Kd7 76. Kf7 Kc6 77. h4 Kd5 78. h5 Ke4 79. Kg6 Kd3 80. h6 Kc3 81. h7 Kd2 82.
g8=Q Kc3 83. h8=Q+ Kb4 84. Qb2+ Kc5 85. Qc8+ Kd5 86. Qd4# 1-0

Resurrection suffers from a poor pawn structure and after 23 ......Ke7 whites knight is a constant pest. I have no idea where it leads but Resurrection has to try 42 .....Nxg2 rather than the Kd6 played. It seemed that it was going to play this move but changed its mind.

So on to the second game. This time Resurrection gets its revenge with surprising ease :-

[Event "Game in 30 minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.08"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Black "Mephisto Genius 68030 London"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A29"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "121"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 d5 5.
cxd5 Nxd5 6. Bg2 Nb6 7. a3 Be6 8. d3 Be7 9. O-O O-O 10. b4 a5 11. b5 Nd4 12.
Bb2 Nxf3+ 13. Bxf3 Qc8 14. Na4 Bh3 15. Nxb6 cxb6 16. Re1 Bf6 17. Rc1 Qd7 18. a4
e4 19. Bxf6 exf3 20. Be5 fxe2 21. Qxe2 f6 22. Bc7 Rfe8 23. Qa2+ Kh8 24. Bxb6
Re6 25. Rxe6 Qxe6 26. Qxe6 Bxe6 27. Rc3 Kg8 28. f3 Bd5 29. Kf2 h5 30. d4 Kf8
31. Rc7 g6 32. Rd7 Bb3 33. Bc5+ Kg8 34. Rxb7 Bxa4 35. b6 Bb5 36. Re7 Rb8 37. d5
g5 38. d6 a4 39. b7 a3 40. Bxa3 Rd8 41. d7 Bxd7 42. Rxd7 Rxd7 43. b8=Q+ Kh7 44.
Qe8 Rc7 45. Be7 Rxe7 46. Qxe7+ Kg6 47. h3 f5 48. Qe6+ Kg7 49. Qxf5 g4 50. h4
gxf3 51. Qxh5 Kf6 52. Qg5+ Ke6 53. h5 Kd6 54. Qf6+ Kd5 55. h6 Kc4 56. Qc6+ Kb3
57. h7 Kb4 58. h8=Q Kb3 59. Qhc3+ Ka2 60. Qa4+ Kb1 61. Qca1# 1-0

The exchange of pieces on e6 on moves 25 and 26 turns out not to be mark of Genius. Whether the Mephisto was already in trouble I will leave others better qualified than I to work out.

So it is 1-1 with another 4 games to go.

Mike






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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 8, 2005, 11:57AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2385 date=1118245380]

And Mephisto comes out fighting :-
Mike

[/quote]

Mike,

if you keep on doing this on your dining room table I wonder whether your wife comes out of the kitchen fighting too ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 8, 2005, 12:39PM

[quote]Mike,

if you keep on doing this on your dining room table I wonder whether your wife comes out of the kitchen fighting too ;D

Christian
[/quote]
Christian

How did you know?

You seem to have some experience of this. ;D

Just before dinner Resurrection was sinking. Rook + 1 pawn against Rook + 3. I pleaded for 15 more minutes to put the "World Champion" out of its misery. Grudgingly I was granted 10 minutes. What do you know but Genius loses its way, and its pawns, for a draw with no time to spare.

They will be playing out in the garage tomorrow. :(

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 9, 2005, 05:11AM

Resurrection versus Mephisto Genius 68030 London continued. Score so far one win each.

In the third game Resurrection lives up to its name.

[Event "Game in 30 minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.08"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Mephisto Genius 68030 London"]
[Black "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A29"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "166"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. g3 d5 5.
cxd5 Nxd5 6. d3 Be7 7. Bg2 Nb6 8. O-O Be6 9. a3 O-O 10. b4 a5 11. b5 Nd4 12.
Nd2 a4 13. Bxb7 Ra5 14. Bb2 Nxb5 15. Nxb5 Rxb5 16. Qc2 Qb8 17. Bg2 Rd8 18. Rfc1
Nd7 19. Bc3 Bb3 20. Nxb3 Rxb3 21. Bd5 Bxa3 22. Rd1 Rxc3 23. Qxc3 Bb2 24. Qc4
Bxa1 25. Bxf7+ Kf8 26. Rxa1 Nb6 27. Qa2 g6 28. Rc1 Kg7 29. Be6 Rd6 30. Bg4 Qd8
31. Qc2 Rd4 32. Bf3 Rb4 33. Qc5 Qd6 34. Qxc7+ Qxc7 35. Rxc7+ Kh6 36. Ra7 Rb3
37. Ra5 a3 38. Kg2 Kg7 39. Rxe5 a2 40. Ra5 Rb2 41. g4 h6 42. Kg3 Kf7 43. Kf4
Kf6 44. Ke3 g5 45. Ra6 Ke5 46. d4+ Kf6 47. h3 Ke7 48. Kd3 Rb3+ 49. Kc2 Rb4 50.
Rxa2 Rxd4 51. Ra7+ Kf6 52. Rc7 Rd6 53. Rc5 Ke6 54. h4 Nd7 55. Rf5 gxh4 56. Rh5
Kf7 57. Rxh4 Rg6 58. Kd2 Ne5 59. Ke3 Kg7 60. Kf4 Nxf3 61. Kxf3 Rc6 62. e4 Kg6
63. e5 Rc3+ 64. Kf4 Rc2 65. f3 Rc4+ 66. Ke3 Rc3+ 67. Ke2 Rc2+ 68. Kd3 Ra2 69.
f4 Ra3+ 70. Ke4 Ra4+ 71. Ke3 Ra3+ 72. Ke2 Ra2+ 73. Kf3 Ra3+ 74. Kg2 Ra2+ 75.
Kg3 Ra3+ 76. Kf2 Ra2+ 77. Ke1 Ra4 78. f5+ Kg5 79. Rh3 Kxg4 80. Rxh6 Kxf5 81. e6
Re4+ 82. Kd2 Rxe6 83. Rxe6 Kxe6 1/2-1/2

Resurrections split pawns are gobbled up by Genius leaving a Rook + 3 connected pawns versus Rook + 1 pawn ending. By move 62 Resurrection looks dead and buried. Mephisto makes the naive pawn push 63 e5 which I do not think a club player would play, preferring a slow edging forward of the King and pawns together. (Of course I stand to be corrected by those that can play endgames). Anyway this leads to a sequence of annoying checks. To avoid a three fold repetition, rather than give up two pawns to shepherd the other one through to queening, Genius completely loses the plot and loses all of its pawns. A draw.

And so to Game 4 :-

[Event "Game in 30 minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.09"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Black "Mephisto Genius 68030 London"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B56"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "195"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6
5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nf3 Be7 8. Bc4 Ng4 9. Bd2 Be6 10. Nd5 O-O 11. O-O Bxd5
12. exd5 Nb8 13. Bd3 Qb6 14. Ng5 Bxg5 15. Bxg5 f5 16. c4 h6 17. Bh4 Qxb2 18.
Bxf5 Nf6 19. Be6+ Kh8 20. Qd3 Na6 21. Rfb1 Nc5 22. Rxb2 Nxd3 23. Rxb7 Ne4 24.
f3 Nec5 25. Rc7 g5 26. Bg3 Rab8 27. Rxa7 Rb4 28. Rc7 Rxc4 29. Rc6 Rd8 30. a3
Kg7 31. Kf1 Kf6 32. Rc7 Rb8 33. Bg4 Rd4 34. Bh5 Rb7 35. Rxb7 Nxb7 36. Be8 Nbc5
37. Bc6 Na4 38. Kg1 Nc3 39. a4 Nb4 40. Bf2 Rd3 41. a5 Nc2 42. Rf1 Nb4 43. Bb7
Ne2+ 44. Kh1 Ra3 45. Bb6 Nc3 46. Bd8+ Kf7 47. Bc6 Ncxd5 48. Bd7 Nd3 49. Bb5
N3f4 50. Bb6 Nc3 51. Ba6 Nfd5 52. Bc4 Ra4 53. Bd3 Nxb6 54. axb6 d5 55. b7 Rb4
56. Rc1 d4 57. Ba6 Ke6 58. h4 Kd6 59. hxg5 hxg5 60. Ra1 g4 61. fxg4 e4 62. Rc1
Kc7 63. Rf1 Rb1 64. Rxb1 Nxb1 65. g5 Nc3 66. g6 Nd5 67. Kg1 Kb8 68. g7 Ne7 69.
Kf2 Kc7 70. g3 d3 71. Ke1 Kb8 72. Kd2 Kc7 73. Bc4 Kxb7 74. Bd5+ Kc7 75. Bxe4
Kd6 76. Bxd3 Ke6 77. Bc4+ Kf6 78. g8=Q Nxg8 79. Bxg8 Kf5 80. Ke1 Kg4 81. Kf2
Kf5 82. Kf3 Kg6 83. Kf4 Kf6 84. g4 Kg6 85. Bd5 Kf6 86. g5+ Kg6 87. Be4+ Kg7 88.
Ke5 Kf7 89. g6+ Kg7 90. Bf5 Kf8 91. Kf6 Ke8 92. g7 Kd8 93. g8=Q+ Kc7 94. Qe6
Kb7 95. Qd6 Ka8 96. Be4+ Ka7 97. Qc7+ Ka6 98. Bd3# 1-0

This is a very interesting game. The early advantage swings strongly towards Resurrection a clear p(oops!)ed pawn up. Resurrection then plays a stinker 28 Rc7 rather than the obvious a4 which would give a real problem with the p(oops!)ed pawn. Nevertheless the evaluations are well in Resurrections favour for a while as a dogfight between Genius's two knights and Resurrections two bishops begins. Genius outmaneouvres Resurrection which is hampered by a back rank mate threat it allows to remain for too long. Just when it looks like Genius is getting well on top it plays 63......Rb1 and in no time its King and knight are tied down keeping two pawns from queening and Resurrection has an easy task.

There is a cliche used in English football - that it is better to be lucky than good. This could well be applied to Resurrections play in Games 3 and 4.

Score so far Resurrection 2.5 Genius 1.5








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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on June 9, 2005, 09:51AM

Hi all,

interesting games, Mike. Thanks alot.

Btw, there are more Resurrection pics (from Leiden):

http://www.computerschach.de/images/stories/neuigkeiten/200506/resurrection.jpg

http://www.computerschach.de/images/stories/neuigkeiten/200506/cock.jpg

Best,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 9, 2005, 02:52PM

Now most of you are probably heartily sick of Resurrection games by now, but that won't stop me. Oh no. ;D

Games 5 and 6 of Resurrection versus Mephisto Genius London.

[Event "Game in 30 minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.09"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Mephisto Genius 68030 London"]
[Black "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E34"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "213"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Qc2 d5 5.
cxd5 Qxd5 6. Nf3 Qf5 7. Qxf5 exf5 8. a3 Be7 9. Bf4 c6 10. e3 O-O 11. Bd3 Nh5
12. Be5 Be6 13. O-O Nd7 14. Rfc1 Nxe5 15. Nxe5 Rad8 16. Na4 f4 17. Nc5 fxe3 18.
fxe3 Bc8 19. Ne4 Nf6 20. Nd2 Ng4 21. Nxg4 Bxg4 22. Ne4 Rfe8 23. Rf1 Rd7 24. Rf4
Be6 25. Rc1 Bd5 26. Kf2 Kh8 27. g3 Rdd8 28. h3 f6 29. h4 Bf8 30. Nc3 Bf7 31.
Ne4 Bg6 32. Rh1 Rd5 33. Rc1 Rh5 34. Rc3 Rh6 35. Rb3 Rb8 36. Kg2 Bf7 37. Rc3 Re8
38. Kf2 Bd5 39. b4 a6 40. Rc2 Be7 41. Rc1 g5 42. hxg5 fxg5 43. Rf5 a5 44. Re5
axb4 45. axb4 Rf8+ 46. Kg2 Bxb4 47. Rb1 Bd6 48. Rxg5 Rf7 49. Ra1 b5 50. Ra6 Bf8
51. Ra8 b4 52. Rb8 Rg6 53. Rxg6 hxg6 54. Kh3 Kg7 55. Ng5 Ra7 56. e4 Bg8 57. e5
Be7 58. Kg4 Rd7 59. Nf3 Be6+ 60. Kf4 g5+ 61. Nxg5 Rxd4+ 62. Ke3 Rxd3+ 63. Kxd3
Bxg5 64. Rxb4 Kg6 65. Rb6 Bd5 66. Kd4 Kf5 67. Rb8 Kg4 68. Re8 Kxg3 69. e6 Bf6+
70. Ke3 Bf3 71. Rg8+ Bg4 72. Rg6 Bh4 73. Rg7 Bf6 74. e7 Bxg7 75. e8=Q Bh6+ 76.
Kd4 Bf4 77. Qg6 Bb8 78. Qxc6 Ba7+ 79. Kc3 Be3 80. Kd3 Bf4 81. Qg6 Kf3 82. Qe4+
Kg3 83. Qe1+ Kh3 84. Ke4 Bd6 85. Qf1+ Kh2 86. Ke3 Be5 87. Qd3 Kh3 88. Kf2+ Kh4
89. Qe3 Bb2 90. Kg2 Kh5 91. Kg3 Bf6 92. Qe8+ Kg5 93. Qg8+ Kf5 94. Qc8+ Ke5 95.
Kxg4 Be7 96. Qe8 Ke6 97. Kf4 Kd6 98. Kf5 Bh4 99. Qe5+ Kd7 100. Qd4+ Kc6 101.
Qxh4 Kb5 102. Ke6 Kc5 103. Qa4 Kb6 104. Kd6 Kb7 105. Qb5+ Kc8 106. Qb2 Kd8 107.
Qh8# 1-0

Words fail me. Having done the hard part Resurrection messes up. By Move 64 Resurrection has a pair of bishops and a pawn against a rook and two pawns. Providing it controls the white pawns, not a problem, it has at least a draw and the evaluations are showing +1.44 to Resurrection (Fritz 8 ) almost whatever it does. So what does it do, it chases the wrong pawn. Having messed up it then is presented with a choice of taking a queening pawn or the rook. So it takes the rook, gives up the draw and loses. Series score 2.5 - 2.5

Game 6

[Event "Game in 30 minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.06.09"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Resurrection v2.02"]
[Black "Mephisto Genius 68030 London"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D47"]
[Annotator "Watters,Michael"]
[PlyCount "211"]
[TimeControl "300"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 e6 5.
Nf3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Be2 Be7 9. Bd3 O-O 10. O-O a6 11. e4 Bb7 12.
Qc2 c5 13. e5 Bxf3 14. exf6 Nxf6 15. gxf3 cxd4 16. Ne4 Nd5 17. Qe2 Nb4 18. Bd2
Nxd3 19. Qxd3 Qd5 20. Rfc1 Rfc8 21. f4 Rc4 22. Ng5 g6 23. b3 Rcc8 24. a4 h6 25.
Nf3 Rxc1+ 26. Rxc1 Bf8 27. Nxd4 Rd8 28. Bc3 bxa4 29. bxa4 Bg7 30. Rd1 Qd6 31.
Qd2 Qc5 32. Qe3 Qc4 33. a5 Rc8 34. Rd3 Rb8 35. Ne2 Rb3 36. h3 Rb1+ 37. Kg2 Bxc3
38. Nxc3 Ra1 39. Rd8+ Kh7 40. Rd7 Qc6+ 41. Ne4 Ra4 42. Rd4 Rxa5 43. Rd6 Qc4 44.
Rd7 Rf5 45. Kg3 Qa4 46. Rb7 Qd1 47. f3 a5 48. Rc7 Kg8 49. h4 a4 50. Rc8+ Kh7
51. Ra8 Kg7 52. Nc3 Qd6 53. Rxa4 g5 54. hxg5 Rxg5+ 55. Kf2 Rf5 56. Rc4 Qd8 57.
Ke1 Rh5 58. Qg1+ Kf8 59. Ke2 Qa8 60. Qd4 Kg8 61. Ne4 Rh2+ 62. Ke3 Ra2 63. Nf6+
Kf8 64. Rc3 Qa6 65. Rd3 Qa5 66. Nd7+ Kg8 67. Qc3 Qa7+ 68. Nc5 Qb6 69. Rd1 Rg2
70. Rd7 Ra2 71. Rb7 Qd6 72. Ne4 Qa3 73. Qxa3 Rxa3+ 74. Kf2 Ra6 75. Nf6+ Kg7 76.
Ng4 Ra4 77. Kg3 Ra8 78. Ne5 Rf8 79. Kg4 Kg8 80. f5 exf5+ 81. Kxf5 h5 82. Nd7
Rc8 83. Kg5 Rc3 84. Nf6+ Kg7 85. Nxh5+ Kf8 86. f4 Rc5+ 87. f5 Rc2 88. Rb8+ Ke7
89. f6+ Kd6 90. Rb7 Rc7 91. Rxc7 Kxc7 92. Kh6 Kd6 93. Kg7 Ke6 94. Kg8 Ke5 95.
Kxf7 Kf5 96. Ng7+ Kg5 97. Ke7 Kf4 98. Ne6+ Ke5 99. f7 Ke4 100. f8=Q Kd3 101.
Qf3+ Kc2 102. Nd4+ Kd2 103. Kd6 Kc1 104. Qc3+ Kd1 105. Qc2+ Ke1 106. Qe2# 1-0

Resurrection wins a bishop for 2 pawns in the opening with 13 e5. Converting this advantage into a win proves to be troublesome and Resurrection has less than a minute left when it finally delivers mate. The level setting of all moves in 30 minutes does not work properly yet and it is necessary to set an actual number of moves which I have on 98. 99 is possible but I think it requires some fiddling. Anyway Resurrection played 98 moves with two minutes to spare then gave itself another 30 minutes. Being in no particular hurry it took a minute and a half to play the straightforward moves needed to finish the game. Not clever.

So the final series score was Resurrection 3.5 - Mephisto Genius London 2.5. Resurrection certainly rode its luck in some of the games, though in Game 5 it also threw away an advantage. Thats chess for you. ::)

Mike




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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on June 10, 2005, 02:17AM

[quote]
The level setting of all moves in 30 minutes does not work properly yet and it is necessary to set an actual number of moves which I have on 98. 99 is possible but I think it requires some fiddling.
[/quote]
This one move won't make much difference, will it? ;)
[quote]
So the final series score was Resurrection 3.5 - Mephisto Genius London 2.5.
[/quote]
Here the score is 3,5:3,5 against Genius (30min/98moves)

Against London RR leads by 9:7, but here at the beginning i tried different time-controls (30min/60moves, 30sec/move which gave RR some time-advantage)

But anyway: close and interesting matches!


Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 10, 2005, 08:46AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2391 date=1118259598]
[Christian

How did you know?

You seem to have some experience of this. ;D

They will be playing out in the garage tomorrow. :(

Mike
[/quote]

Mike,

Yes...how didI know ??? Imagination? Experiance?

I think you should convince your wife that dining in the garage is far more appropriate than playing chess in the garage;)

Playing chess is more time consuming (if you need arguments...)

Matchmaking regards

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 19, 2005, 11:20AM

Hi All

Ruud Martin has put this message on Kurt Kisperts Forum. So if you are interested in joining in on the Resurrection project this is probably your last chance.

Chess Friends,

The Resurrection is now owned by 19 chess friends around the world. I want to indicate that this delivery is limited to only 25 pieces.
This will at this time also be limited in time. Many are interested, but are awaiting for various reasons.

I hope you can understand that it will not be feasible to deliver Resurrection for the rest of this year and maybe 2007 as well. That is why I will impose a time limitation on the project as well.

Any orders until the end of juli 2005 will be accepted. This off course only when the last six pieces have not yet been taken.

The stability of the module is ok, and all bugs have been removed, so the risk is only minimal. And in this way I can focus on new developments like the real graphical display and bluetooth uplink.

Manual and foto are enclosed.

Greetings,
Ruud Martin


With 19 now onboard I suppose we can no longer claim to be the Dirty Dozen. The original ones perhaps. I guess I need a new Forum piccie. :(

I wonder who the other seven are and whether Ruud is including himself, Louis van Bever and Hein Veldhuis (his testers) in that number.

Mike
10 of 19


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 20, 2005, 01:13AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2547 date=1119205221]
Hi All

With 19 now onboard I suppose we can no longer claim to be the Dirty Dozen. The original ones perhaps. I guess I need a new Forum piccie. :(

[/quote]

Mike,

I really adore your forum picture and I suggest you keep it for a while.

Christian
12 of 19 (12 of 12 did sound better :-[)


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on June 20, 2005, 07:24AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2547 date=1119205221]
Hi All

Ruud Martin has put this message on Kurt Kisperts Forum. So if you are interested in joining in on the Resurrection project this is probably your last chance.

Chess Friends,

The Resurrection is now owned by 19 chess friends around the world. I want to indicate that this delivery is limited to only 25 pieces.
This will at this time also be limited in time. Many are interested, but are awaiting for various reasons.

I hope you can understand that it will not be feasible to deliver Resurrection for the rest of this year and maybe 2007 as well. That is why I will impose a time limitation on the project as well.

Any orders until the end of juli 2005 will be accepted. This off course only when the last six pieces have not yet been taken.

The stability of the module is ok, and all bugs have been removed, so the risk is only minimal. And in this way I can focus on new developments like the real graphical display and bluetooth uplink.

Manual and foto are enclosed.

Greetings,
Ruud Martin


With 19 now onboard I suppose we can no longer claim to be the Dirty Dozen. The original ones perhaps. I guess I need a new Forum piccie. :(

I wonder who the other seven are and whether Ruud is including himself, Louis van Bever and Hein Veldhuis (his testers) in that number.

Mike
10 of 19


[/quote]

Thanks for that post Mike. I for one didn’t know about that. I guess I’ll never see a Resurrection on my Exclusive board! :(
As for the Dirty Dozen, I think all of you should keep the title! You were the “original 12” and only you got the module with the first released version with the first bugs! So, you’re all unique!

A thought just occurred to me. Do you think we would ever see any of those on eBay one day??? I think you should get another one Mike. Maybe one day I will find something to interest you and we’ll trade ;D

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 20, 2005, 11:45PM

[quote]A thought just occurred to me. Do you think we would ever see any of those on eBay one day??? I think you should get another one Mike. Maybe one day I will find something to interest you and we’ll trade ;D

Ismenio

[/quote]Ismenio

Perhaps everything turns up on Ebay in the end. If Resurrection No. 10 turns up there you will know that I have snuffed it and the wife is getting rid of all this annoying clutter. :'(

So how many Resurrections should I get?

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 21, 2005, 01:41AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2559 date=1119336345]

Perhaps everything turns up on Ebay in the end. If Resurrection No. 10 turns up there you will know that I have snuffed it and the wife is getting rid of all this annoying clutter. :'(

[/quote]

Mike,

your wife should not bother with ebay (taking pictures, writing descriptions and stuff)...just give her my adress...
I will take care of your collection ;D ;D ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on June 24, 2005, 12:53AM

[quote]Mike,

your wife should not bother with ebay (taking pictures, writing descriptions and stuff)...just give her my adress...
I will take care of your collection ;D ;D ;D

Christian
[/quote]

Christian

You are very kind. It is a weight off of her mind. She said how much is this collection worth? I said don't worry Christian will give you a generous sum. ::)

Latest news is that only 2 Resurrection modules remain unclaimed.

It's now or never !

Mike
10 of 23


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 24, 2005, 04:20AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg2623 date=1119599594]

Latest news is that only 2 Resurrection modules remain unclaimed.

It's now or never !

Mike
10 of 23

[/quote]

Mike,

what about a spare one? This could be seen as an investment...

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on June 24, 2005, 04:21AM

Ahhh.I forgot:
12/23


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 21, 2005, 03:45PM

Hi All

Just received an email from Ruud Martin about the next release for the Resurrection module.
Those who are wondering what Resurrection is can find out all about it in Ismenios excellent explanation here :-

http://www.ismenio.com/ruud.html

One update of that information is that all 25 module sets have now been sold.

Anyway the release information is as follows :-

Resurrection friends,

Today I finished beta release 2.04. This release contains three additional engines : Deep Sjeng 1.8, Fruit 2.1 and Toga 1.0.

You have the possibility to change all possible settings per engine from within Resurrection !

I will still need three weeks before everythings checks out ok, but in the basics the programming is ready.

The graphical LCD will be available within the Kaufbeuren and Leiden 2005 tournaments. But there are still enough issues to overcome.

The Bluetooth uplink is already functional in my prototype, and will also be demonstrated during these tournaments.

Additional information will be sent before this moment to everyone including photographs.


The Ruffian program in the first releases of Resurrection has proved to be of similar strength to the Tasc R30 and R40 in matches between them. The upcoming release 2.04 should settle the debate about which is the strongest dedicated chess computer. ;)

Ruud, I can't wait..... :D

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 22, 2005, 12:50AM

Gentleman,

Just to be on the safe side. An official aproval from the authors from Fruit and Toga has yet to be agreed upon.
I hope they will see the project aspect of this and hope they will allow these two great programs to be integrated in the Resurrection. A great chess computer deserves great programs !

The fact that both programs can be downloaded for free is not good enough for me.

;D Furthermore only twenty modules are officially released.

8) Four additional modules are owned by great dutch friends who help me out on all aspects of the project : Testing, Building, Tournaments and Public Relations.

;) The last module is off course in my collection....

Ruud Martin

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3332 date=1124664334]
Hi All

Just received an email from Ruud Martin about the next release for the Resurrection module.
Those who are wondering what Resurrection is can find out all about it in Ismenios excellent explanation here :-

http://www.ismenio.com/ruud.html

One update of that information is that all 25 module sets have now been sold.

Anyway the release information is as follows :-

Resurrection friends,

Today I finished beta release 2.04. This release contains three additional engines : Deep Sjeng 1.8, Fruit 2.1 and Toga 1.0.

You have the possibility to change all possible settings per engine from within Resurrection !

I will still need three weeks before everythings checks out ok, but in the basics the programming is ready.

The graphical LCD will be available within the Kaufbeuren and Leiden 2005 tournaments. But there are still enough issues to overcome.

The Bluetooth uplink is already functional in my prototype, and will also be demonstrated during these tournaments.

Additional information will be sent before this moment to everyone including photographs.


The Ruffian program in the first releases of Resurrection has proved to be of similar strength to the Tasc R30 and R40 in matches between them. The upcoming release 2.04 should settle the debate about which is the strongest dedicated chess computer. ;)

Ruud, I can't wait..... :D

All the best
Mike


[/quote]


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Sargon on August 22, 2005, 08:22AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3335 date=1124697056]
Gentleman,

Just to be on the safe side. An official aproval from the authors from Fruit and Toga has yet to be agreed upon.
I hope they will see the project aspect of this and hope they will allow these two great programs to be integrated in the Resurrection. A great chess computer deserves great programs !

The fact that both programs can be downloaded for free is not good enough for me.

;D Furthermore only twenty modules are officially released.

8) Four additional modules are owned by great dutch friends who help me out on all aspects of the project : Testing, Building, Tournaments and Public Relations.
Many thanks Ruud for your nice words to your great Dutch friends ;D

Greetings ,

Hans
;) The last module is off course in my collection....

Ruud Martin

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3332 date=1124664334]
Hi All

Just received an email from Ruud Martin about the next release for the Resurrection module.
Those who are wondering what Resurrection is can find out all about it in Ismenios excellent explanation here :-

http://www.ismenio.com/ruud.html

One update of that information is that all 25 module sets have now been sold.

Anyway the release information is as follows :-

Resurrection friends,

Today I finished beta release 2.04. This release contains three additional engines : Deep Sjeng 1.8, Fruit 2.1 and Toga 1.0.

You have the possibility to change all possible settings per engine from within Resurrection !

I will still need three weeks before everythings checks out ok, but in the basics the programming is ready.

The graphical LCD will be available within the Kaufbeuren and Leiden 2005 tournaments. But there are still enough issues to overcome.

The Bluetooth uplink is already functional in my prototype, and will also be demonstrated during these tournaments.

Additional information will be sent before this moment to everyone including photographs.


The Ruffian program in the first releases of Resurrection has proved to be of similar strength to the Tasc R30 and R40 in matches between them. The upcoming release 2.04 should settle the debate about which is the strongest dedicated chess computer. ;)

Ruud, I can't wait..... :D

All the best
Mike


[/quote]
[/quote]


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on August 22, 2005, 02:28PM

Hi Sargon ;D ! Did I miss something or you were going to comment on the messages below? ???

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Sargon on August 23, 2005, 08:55AM

Hello Ismenio,

No i wanted to thank Ruud for his nice words to his dutch computerchessfriends , i did testwork for Ruuds Resurrection project and right now i am testing Fruit 2.01 for him. But scores will be secret for now.... :D

Kind regards,

Hans


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 23, 2005, 11:05AM

[quote]right now i am testing Fruit 2.01 for him. But scores will be secret for now.... :D

Kind regards,

Hans
[/quote]

Oh....Hans....you can tell me. ::)



Impatient for the dessert regards
Mike ;D


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Title: Resurrection SOLD OUT
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 23, 2005, 11:10AM

:'( :'(

Sad news :

All 25 Resurrection modules are placed with an proud owner. The last 4 serials are linked to my team in Holland.

So if you are interested in a module :-[ at this moment you will be too late.

Super regards...
Ruud


[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3335 date=1124697056]
Gentleman,

Just to be on the safe side. An official aproval from the authors from Fruit and Toga has yet to be agreed upon.
I hope they will see the project aspect of this and hope they will allow these two great programs to be integrated in the Resurrection. A great chess computer deserves great programs !

The fact that both programs can be downloaded for free is not good enough for me.

;D Furthermore only twenty modules are officially released.

8) Four additional modules are owned by great dutch friends who help me out on all aspects of the project : Testing, Building, Tournaments and Public Relations.

;) The last module is off course in my collection....

Ruud Martin

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3332 date=1124664334]
Hi All

Just received an email from Ruud Martin about the next release for the Resurrection module.
Those who are wondering what Resurrection is can find out all about it in Ismenios excellent explanation here :-

http://www.ismenio.com/ruud.html

One update of that information is that all 25 module sets have now been sold.

Anyway the release information is as follows :-

Resurrection friends,

Today I finished beta release 2.04. This release contains three additional engines : Deep Sjeng 1.8, Fruit 2.1 and Toga 1.0.

You have the possibility to change all possible settings per engine from within Resurrection !

I will still need three weeks before everythings checks out ok, but in the basics the programming is ready.

The graphical LCD will be available within the Kaufbeuren and Leiden 2005 tournaments. But there are still enough issues to overcome.

The Bluetooth uplink is already functional in my prototype, and will also be demonstrated during these tournaments.

Additional information will be sent before this moment to everyone including photographs.


The Ruffian program in the first releases of Resurrection has proved to be of similar strength to the Tasc R30 and R40 in matches between them. The upcoming release 2.04 should settle the debate about which is the strongest dedicated chess computer. ;)

Ruud, I can't wait..... :D

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 23, 2005, 12:20PM

Mike

:P You impatient man !
In three weeks you can test it yourself !

If the author of Fruit agrees with his program being used ???

;D Reply #100 and over 1000 reads, great work !

Ruud

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3361 date=1124820338]
[quote]right now i am testing Fruit 2.01 for him. But scores will be secret for now.... :D

Kind regards,

Hans
[/quote]

Oh....Hans....you can tell me. ::)



Impatient for the dessert regards
Mike ;D


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 23, 2005, 12:46PM

[quote] [size=2] ;D Reply #100 and over 1000 reads, great work !

Ruud[/size]

[/quote]Ruud

I think this is the first thread on Ismenio's forum with 100 posts or 1000 views. You have to say that there is a lot of interest in your brainchild. :D

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on August 23, 2005, 03:23PM

The way I see it the project was a great success!
The Resurrection page still gets a good number of visitors and I still get emails about that.

The interest shown, even though not everyone could get one, is to me a good indicator! ;)

I will be updating the page with the last info and also a link to the official support forum at schachcomputer.info

Ismenio


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Title: BT-2630
Post by: Chessguru on August 24, 2005, 01:12PM

Hello.

Here are the results of the german BT-2630 jury. ;)

Ruud had asked me to review the results.

25 positions (Record) were solved.

Time: 6288 Seconds
Elo: 2420 (NEW Number 1)

The exact results are to be found here: http://www.schachcomputer.info/html/bt2630.html (http://www.schachcomputer.info/html/bt2630.html).

Regards,
Micha


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: John Bertok on August 24, 2005, 02:04PM

Any chances we will see these modules m(oops!) produced?
Why 'the limited edition'?

John


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 24, 2005, 02:13PM

This limit comes from Saitek.
I have no clue why they can impose it..

Ruud


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Title: Re:BT-2630
Post by: Mike Watters on August 25, 2005, 04:26AM

[quote author=Chessguru link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3382 date=1124914377]
Hello.

Here are the results of the german BT-2630 jury. ;)

Ruud had asked me to review the results.

25 positions (Record) were solved.

Time: 6288 Seconds
Elo: 2420 (NEW Number 1)

The exact results are to be found here: http://www.schachcomputer.info/html/bt2630.html (http://www.schachcomputer.info/html/bt2630.html).

Regards,
Micha

[/quote]
Interesting results Micha, and very beautifully presented. :)

Did you come to any conclusions about the types of positions where RR is stronger or weaker than the Tascs?

Mike




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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on August 25, 2005, 05:17AM

Mike,
did you already get the upgrade to V2.03 or 2.04?
I am still at 2.02, but I know at least one guy with 2.03 running...
Canadian regards (arrived yesterday)
Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 25, 2005, 05:24AM

So who is running 2.04 ?
Beside me ?
;D


Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 25, 2005, 05:56AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3390 date=1124972238]
[size=2]Mike,
did you already get the upgrade to V2.03 or 2.04?
I am still at 2.02, but I know at least one guy with 2.03 running...
Canadian regards (arrived yesterday)
Christian[/size]
[/quote]
Christian

Hope you had a good journey and that they are looking after you properly over there in Canada.

I am still on v2.02 myself. :(

v2.04 should be along in 3 weeks or so. Ruud is teasing us ;) with ...... "maybe Fruit is on its way if that nice Mr Fabien Letouzey agrees to the use of his program".

There must be a v2.03 unless Ruud is messing about.
Can you get a pirate copy. ;D ;D

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 25, 2005, 06:03AM

;)
The question about whether i may distribute Fruit and Toga was a valid one..

But i have just received email from Fabian and Thomas that they will allow it. ;D

So let go, minimal 5 engines at the end of this year..

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 25, 2005, 06:26AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3393 date=1124975009]
[size=2] ;)
The question about whether i may distribute Fruit and Toga was a valid one..

But i have just received email from Fabian and Thomas that they will allow it. ;D

So let go, minimal 5 engines at the end of this year..

Ruud[/size]
[/quote]
That is great news Ruud.

Ah, but now you really are teasing this time. 5 engines....

1. Ruffian
2. Deep Sjeng 1.8
3. Fruit 2.1
4. Toga 1.0
5. ???

Is it Crafty?

10 of 20 ish ;D
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 25, 2005, 07:17AM

You mean 10 of 25.

The dutch guys have gotten te last serials ..

We will have to wait, the fifth is not yet known... :-X

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on August 25, 2005, 08:08AM

Hi Ruud,

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3393 date=1124975009]
;)
The question about whether i may distribute Fruit and Toga was a valid one..

But i have just received email from Fabian and Thomas that they will allow it. ;D

So let go, minimal 5 engines at the end of this year..

Ruud
[/quote]

the way things are going, I will end up regretting of not having bought one :-\

I have a few questions not really chess related :
1) are you running some standard OS (linux ?)
2) when upgrading the module, do you upgrade the OS or just upload new files (the engines) in some folder ?

Thanks in advance,
Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on August 25, 2005, 08:13AM

:-X

Alain,

Some things remain with the creator ..

;)

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on August 25, 2005, 08:15AM

Ruud,

I understand...

Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on August 26, 2005, 06:17PM

Alain,

I have the same questions and others! ;) As a programmer, I am naturally curious about things like that! Especially the interface! But I fully understand that Ruud has to protect his creation ;)

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 28, 2005, 04:44PM

Hi All

If you have been following the Resurrection story you may know that later enhancements were to
include a 128 x 64 Graphical Active Display.

The current display looks like this :-



Ruud has emailed owners of the modules asking for opinions on the layout of the Graphical Active Display.
He included this picture which presumably is his current preference :-



It is of course quite similar to the Tasc R30 display.

Does anyone have any opinions on the layout?

10 of 25
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on August 28, 2005, 04:53PM

Mike,

Thanks for sharing this!!! I loved it! But I have to tell you, I was a lot happier before I saw this ; 8) ;D :P
Knowing that I will never have one of these!



Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: guidoz on August 30, 2005, 04:03AM


on 1124917980, Phoenix Chess wrote:

This limit comes from Saitek.
I have no clue why they can impose it..


:(
Thats not fine...

But these days Ismenio did ask of buling an own chess computer from a elector project....but this seems to be powerless from the cpu-type for me....

Iam thinking more about a unit like the cheap
Linksys NSLU2 ( around 90 Euro / http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=crafty&version=testing&arch=arm (http://www.nslu2-linux.org/]http://www.nslu2-linux.org/[/url] )
with a chess-program like your Resurrection.

The NSLU2 has a XScale CPU > 200Mhz and 32MB of RAM, EtherNet and a 3.3V TTL-serial-Port.
The NSLU2 did boot via USB 2.0 from Flash or Disk....

So with the right software the NSLU2 could drive a external Board (XBoard / WinBoard? ) for displaying the game.

There are different Linux-Versions (one is Debian)...

If the NSLU2 couldnt get your program then a Linux-Version of Crafty ( [url=http://www.tim-mann.org/crafty.html]http://www.tim-mann.org/crafty.html[/url] )
would be fine like
[url=http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=crafty&version=testing&arch=arm)


How do think about that?

Bye
Guido.


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 31, 2005, 02:22AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3472 date=1125273202]
[size=2]Mike,

Thanks for sharing this!!! I loved it! But I have to tell you, I was a lot happier before I saw this ; 8) ;D :P
Knowing that I will never have one of these![/size]



Ismenio
[/quote]Ismenio

I seem to remember you saying something similar about other things
that, lo and behold, now grace your collection. ;D

A moment ago I tried to compare the Resurrection display with the Tasc display
on your Personal Collection page. But the Tasc was gone. ???

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on August 31, 2005, 04:53AM

Mike, are you talking about the http://www.ismenio.com/tasc.html page? I didn't know that was down. Could you check it again for me please and let me know if you still can't access it? I'll take a look at that when I get home tonight. I am still updating many pages on the site so it is possible that I did something wrong :o

Thanks,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 31, 2005, 06:05AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3521 date=1125489217]
[size=2]Mike, are you talking about the http://www.ismenio.com/tasc.html page? I didn't know that was down. Could you check it again for me please and let me know if you still can't access it? I'll take a look at that when I get home tonight. I am still updating many pages on the site so it is possible that I did something wrong :o

Thanks,

Ismenio[/size][/quote]Ah yes the Tasc page is there just fine but your Collection Page is dated 05-02-2005.

Keep your old collection pages and we can see how the collection grows -




:o Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on August 31, 2005, 10:11AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3526 date=1125493504]
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3521 date=1125489217]
[size=2]Mike, are you talking about the http://www.ismenio.com/tasc.html page? I didn't know that was down. Could you check it again for me please and let me know if you still can't access it? I'll take a look at that when I get home tonight. I am still updating many pages on the site so it is possible that I did something wrong :o

Thanks,

Ismenio[/size][/quote]Ah yes the Tasc page is there just fine but your Collection Page is dated 05-02-2005.

Keep your old collection pages and we can see how the collection grows -




:o Mike

[/quote]

Mike,

this does look more like the graphic of a chain reaction...is there a critical m(oops!) of chesscomputers? Probably you should ask your wife ;D

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on August 31, 2005, 12:39PM

[quote][quote][size=2]Ah yes the Tasc page is there just fine but your Collection Page is dated 05-02-2005.

Keep your old collection pages and we can see how the collection grows[/size] -




:o Mike

[/quote]

[size=2]Mike,

this does look more like the graphic of a chain reaction...
is there a critical m(oops!) of chesscomputers?
Probably you should ask your wife ;D

Christian[/size]
[/quote]Hi Christian

Hope Canada is suiting you just fine. :)

I learnt long ago that you must never ask this sort of question,
if you might not like the answer you get. 8)

Exponential is the word, but I do not think that the problem
is with Ismenio's collection. The problem is the amount of storage space.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on September 1, 2005, 04:33AM

Mike,

Canada is great. I quickly found a small house in a quiet, residential area...if I had known that it would have been that easy, I would have brought in more computers :(

Work is interesting...they do not put much pressure on me (Well I do not think they ever will ;))...this is what governmental research is supposed to be: lots of coffee, joking around and eventually hacking strange things into the computer ;D

But one thing is remarkable: nearly everybody is bilingual here!

Next weekend I will participate in a chess tournament. Maybe there I will meet some fanatics...

All the best,

Christian


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Title: Resurrection Update 2.04 (With four engines!)
Post by: Phoenix Chess on September 11, 2005, 03:08PM

;D

Schachfreunde,

Die 2.04 ist versandet. Hoffe alles geht gut. Es ist die version mit 4 engines. Ruffian, Deep Sjeng, Fruit und Toga.

Chess Friends,

The 2.04 is underway. Hope all goes well. It is the version with 4 engines. Ruffian, Deep Sjeng, Fruit und Toga.

Greetings/Grusse,
Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 12, 2005, 05:13AM

Hi All

I can report that Resurrection v2.04 is up and running here and working just fine.

I have allowed Fruit to beat me twice already. ::)

The three new engines have m(oops!)es of Engine Options.
For example on Fruit you can adjust :-
Ponder
Hint
Hash
NullMove Pruning
NullMove Reduction
Verification Search
Verification Reduction
History Pruning
History Threshold
Futility Pruning
Futility Margin
Delta Pruning
Delta Margin
Quinescence Check Plies
Material
Piece Activity
King Safety
Pawn structure
P(oops!)ed Pawns

Toga seems to have even more options. Deep Sjeng has an Anti Human setting and personalities.

Frankly I haven't a clue what some of these options do.
But I shall be playing about with them. All I need is the default settings or I risk making this program
so weak that I can beat it. ;D

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on September 12, 2005, 05:19AM

Hi Mike,

Any chance we could see pictures of the display with those engines? Maybe the start up screen?

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on September 12, 2005, 06:46AM

Hi,

of course it works fine with my RR too...now the real fun part begins ;D

It is a shame that I didn't buy two of these machines at a time.

I wonder what would be the result of a duel between fruit and Ruffian?


Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on September 12, 2005, 01:24PM

Guys,

::) Interesting thought. Maybe i should program a version in which you can select two engine and play the game on the board.

Or i could program that the four engines are calculating at the same time, so you can see the differences.

So many ideas.. :o

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 13, 2005, 01:21AM

Hi All

For what it is worth this is what Fabien Letouzey, the programmer of Fruit,
the program on which Toga is also based, has to say about the Engine Options :-

UCI options
-----------

You are advised to skip this section unless you are completely crazy
about computer chess.

Here I give you another chance to skip the section, as you should not
be reading this ...

Well you have downloaded Fruit in the first place so I suppose I can't
do anything for you anyway ... I give up!

- "NullMove Pruning" (Always/Fail High/Never, default: Fail High)

"Always" actually means the usual conditions (not in check, etc ...).
"Fail High" adds the condition that the static evaluation fails high.
Never use "Never" (ever)! OK you can use "Never" to test a Zugzwang
problem, but ask your Momma first!

I expect that this option has little effect ((oops!)uming the first two
choices only). I only added it because most engines do not use the
fail-high condition.

- "NullMove Reduction" (1-3 plies, default: 3)

3 is rather aggressive, especially in the endgame. It seems better
than always using 2 though. I have not experimented with adaptive
solutions.

- "Verification Search" (Always/Endgame/Never, default: Endgame)

This tries to solve some Zugzwang-related problems. I expect it to
hardly have any effect in games. The default value should be
sufficient for most-common Zugzwang situations.

- "Verification Reduction" (1-6 plies, default: 5)

5 guarantees that the cost of verification search is negligible in
most cases. Of course it means Zugzwang problems need a lot of depth
to get solved, if ever! With such a reduction, verification search is
similar to Vincent Diepeveen's "double null move".

- "History Pruning" (true/false, default: true)

A bit dodgy, but fun to experiment with. I added it in Fruit 2.0, and
I still haven't found the time to test it seriously ... It should
help in blitz, but it's possible it actually hurts play in longer
games(!!!). One day, I should check this. One day ...

- "History Threshold" (percentage, default: 60%)

This is the thing, as it affects the search tree! Lower values are
safer, and higher values more aggressive. THIS VALUE HAS NOT BEEN
TUNED! There is a good chance Fruit's strength can be improved by
changing this option.

- "Futility Pruning" (true/false, default: false)

Very common but controversial. Makes the engine a tiny bit
better at tactics but slightly weaker positionally. It might be
beneficial by a very small amount, but has not been tested in
conjunction with history pruning yet.

- "Futility Margin" (centipawns, default: 100)

This value is somewhat aggressive. It could lead to problems in
the endgame. Larger values prune less but will lead to fewer
positional errors.

- "Delta Pruning" (true/false, default: false)

Similar to futility pruning. Probably safer because it is used
mainly during the middlegame. Has not been tested with history
pruning either.

- "Delta Margin" (centipawns, default: 50)

Same behaviour as futility margin. This one is probably safe.

- "Quiescence Check Plies" (0-2 plies, default: 1)

Fruit tries safe (SEE >= 0) checks at the first plies of the
quiescence search. 0 means no checks at all (as in most older
engines). 1 is the same as previous versions of Fruit. 2 is probably
not worth the extra cost. It could be interesting when solving mate
problems though.

- evaluation options (percentage, default: 100%)

These options are evaluation-feature multipliers. You can modify
Fruit's playing style to an extent or make Fruit weaker for instance
by setting "Material" to a low value.

"Material" is obvious. It also includes the bishop-pair bonus.
"Piece Activity": piece placement and mobility.
"King Safety": mixed features related to the king during early phases
"Pawn Structure": all pawn-only features (not p(oops!)ed pawns).
"P(oops!)ed Pawns": ... can you guess?

I think "Pawn Structure" is not an important parameter.
Who knows what you can obtain by playing with others?


Hmm this is going to be mainly trial and error, but at least I have the defaults.

Ruud, writing a full and comprehensive manual will be fun for you. ::)

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on September 13, 2005, 05:37AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3694 date=1126599688]
Hi All

You are advised to skip this section unless you are completely crazy
about computer chess.

Here I give you another chance to skip the section, as you should not
be reading this ...
[/quote]

Mike,

this reminds me at my time at the university...at the laboratory on each wall there were several BIGREDBUTTONS (immediate shutdown of power) which should NEVER be pushed because the results of everybodys work would have been gone.

So, as I went hte first time in the lab (together with the other beginners), the guy who was resposible made us push all the REDBUTTONS as often as we wanted.

By doing this he made sure that we wouldn't feel the need to do this ever again...

He wasn' right ;Dbut it was a nice attempt.

So, Mike, just go ahead and push all the buttons you can find 8)

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 13, 2005, 02:13PM

[quote]Mike,

this reminds me at my time at the university...at the laboratory on each wall there were several BIGREDBUTTONS (immediate shutdown of power) which should NEVER be pushed because the results of everybodys work would have been gone.

So, as I went hte first time in the lab (together with the other beginners), the guy who was resposible made us push all the REDBUTTONS as often as we wanted.

By doing this he made sure that we wouldn't feel the need to do this ever again...

He wasn' right ;Dbut it was a nice attempt.

So, Mike, just go ahead and push all the buttons you can find 8)

Christian
[/quote]
Christian

So what was it you were supposed to be learning while you were looking at those ......and plotting? :(

Hans wouldn't tell me what he had discovered in his Fruit testing. Sworn to secrecy ::) . So I have to push all the buttons and find out for myself. Don't I?

Is it correct that you can save games but not load them yet? Also I am not so good at knowing when I have left a menu option and when I haven't. Is that just me?

Testing......testing.....testing
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on September 14, 2005, 05:01AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3703 date=1126645986]

So what was it you were supposed to be learning while you were looking at those ......and plotting? :(

[/quote]

Mike,

we were supposed to get rid of the need to push these buttons. Apparently people are attracted by things which are forbidden, and by letting them do these forbidden things once the instructor thought this might ease their pain ;)

Christian


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Title: Resurrection, there is one still available
Post by: Phoenix Chess on September 20, 2005, 02:43AM

:)

Friends,

One of the 25 modules has become available. The buyer has told me this, so the reservation has been cancelled.

The first one who sends me an e-mail and who can agree upon the price will be the future owner of this module.

Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on September 20, 2005, 04:57AM

Great offer Ruud!!! :o

The chance of a lifetime! I myself would like to have it but I’ll have to check a few things first. Please keep us updated if it’s no longer available!
If I could only see this was coming! ;)

Does anyone want to buy something from my collection to help me raise funds for this? ;D

Best regards!

Ismenio


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Title: Resurrection Sold
Post by: Phoenix Chess on September 20, 2005, 11:29PM

Ismenio and friends,

The Resurrection is sold.

Ismenio, i am sorry...

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on September 21, 2005, 03:51PM

No problem Ruud! I knew it wouldn't take long :'(
Keep me in your list for a possible-hopeful 2nd batch ;)

Best reagards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 27, 2005, 08:01AM

Resurrection has been further upgraded to include a fifth engine. This is another version of Fruit, this time the version which came second to Zappa at the recent World Chess Computer Championship 2005 held at Reykjavik in August.

Just to test it out I tried a 15 secs a move game expecting to get slaughtered. This is what happened :-

[Event "15 secs per move"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.09.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Watters, Michael"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A07"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. g3 c6 3. Bg2
Bg4 4. O-O Nd7 5. d3 Ngf6 6. Nbd2 e5 7. b3 Bd6 8. Bb2 O-O 9. c4 Qa5 10. Qc2
Rfc8 11. a3 Qa6 12. b4 h6 13. Rfe1 Re8 14. e4 Rad8 15. cxd5 cxd5 16. exd5 Nxd5
17. Qc4 Qxc4 18. Nxc4 Be7 19. Nfxe5 Nxe5 20. Nxe5 Bf5 21. Bxd5 Rxd5 22. d4 f6
23. Nf3 Kf7 24. Re3 Rdd8 25. Rae1 Bd6 26. Rxe8 Rxe8 27. Rxe8 Kxe8 28. Nd2 Be6
29. f4 Kd7 30. Ne4 Bf5 31. Nxd6 Kxd6 32. Kf2 Kd5 33. Ke3 Kc4 34. Kd2 Kb3 35.
Bc1 Kc4 36. Bb2 Kb3 37. Bc1 Kc4 38. Bb2 1/2-1/2

Somehow I managed to come out of the opening a pawn up, and seeing the chance to trade off several pieces I did that and settled for opposite coloured bishops and a draw by repetition. A cowardly act but it isn't every day you get something out of a game against these beasts. ;D

A more worthy match up was Fruit 2005 against the Tasc R30 :-

[Event "Game in 30 mins "]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.09.27"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D07"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nc6 3. c4 Bg4 4. cxd5 Bxf3
5. gxf3 Qxd5 6. e3 e5 7. Nc3 Bb4 8. Bd2 Bxc3 9. bxc3 exd4 {(Fruit out of book)}
10. cxd4 Nge7 11. Rg1 {(Tasc out of book)} O-O 12. Qb1 Rab8 13. Qe4 Qd6
14. f4 Rfe8 15. Be2 Ng6 16. Qg2 Nxd4 17. exd4 Qxd4 18. Rc1 Rxe2+ 19. Kxe2 Rd8
20. Be3 Qb2+ 21. Kf1 Qb5+ 22. Ke1 Qb4+ 23. Kf1 Qb5+ 24. Ke1 Qb4+ 25. Kf1 Qb5+
1/2-1/2

Again a quick draw by repetition.

I shall be putting Fruit 2005 through its paces against the Tasc R30, Mephisto 68030 London and anything else which will give it a game over the next few days. The expectation is that Resurrection Fruit 2005 will finally shake off the opposition to become clear strongest ever dedicated chess computer. We shall see.

Mike



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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on September 27, 2005, 08:41AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3874 date=1127833295]
Somehow I managed to come out of the opening a pawn up, and seeing the chance to trade off several pieces I did that and settled for opposite coloured bishops and a draw by repetition. A cowardly act but it isn't every day you get something out of a game against these beasts. ;D
[/quote]

Mike,

the is nothing cowardly in this game ;)
You played very well, but the advantage was hard to change in to a full point. If you handn't exchanged the knight with his black bishop, the two bishops together would have eventually caused you trouble in connection with a black king on d5.

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 27, 2005, 09:47AM

Christian

Thanks. I think Fruit went easy on me. At the first sign of a threat I would have got all jittery. ;D

Have you had the opportunity to try Fruit yet?

Updating Resurrection is a bit hit and miss for me. Sometimes the files are sent and received and sometimes they are not. And I have no idea why. Does anyone else get this?

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on September 27, 2005, 09:53AM

Guys,

Using Zmodem protocol instead of Zmodem with crash recovery seems to do the trick. With this sending goes better.

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on September 27, 2005, 10:08AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3876 date=1127839653]

Have you had the opportunity to try Fruit yet?

Updating Resurrection is a bit hit and miss for me. Sometimes the files are sent and received and sometimes they are not. And I have no idea why. Does anyone else get this?

Mike
[/quote]

Mike,

I do not have much time for the moment :(I just tested it once, it was an interesting game but I screw it up.
But I like the playing style.

For me the updating process went smoothely so far without problems.

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on September 28, 2005, 01:20AM

Hello Ruud,
[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3877 date=1127839987]
Guys,

Using Zmodem protocol instead of Zmodem with crash recovery seems to do the trick. With this sending goes better.

Ruud
[/quote]

First, let me thank you for the new engines! I think, we are the first, who get Fruit '05, as it is not released for the public (and will not be free!)

Is Ruffian (X) an experimental version from you or from the author Per-Ola Valfridsson?

Here i still have small problems with sending. Works only at the second try. But doesn't matter, i know it and so it's no problem for me!

I'm afraid, the biggest problem with updating sits in front of my computer! ;D
At the first time i forgot to execute "Extra", because it wasn't mentioned in the manual! Then i remembered, that you had sent us a mail about this... ;D

I was only able to play one quick 30min/99moves match Fruit '05 - Star Sapphire. Fruit came not good out of the library (one pawn less) but turned it into a convincing victory!

Do we now have permission to publish tests with Fruit 2.1?


Will you consider my suggestions (# moves for "all"), that i mailed you?


best regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on September 28, 2005, 01:59AM

Robert,

Fruit '05 was sent to me by Fabien, and Fabien has given permission to use this only in the Resurrection. Publishing games is in my opinion allowed. I want to indicate that games where Resurrection is faulty in time management should not be published.

Ruffian (X) is the same engine, only the information is presented in the old style. When you select Ruffian without the X you will see the new style display.

The #all will be considerd in a next release.

Ruud

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3883 date=1127895603]
Hello Ruud,
[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3877 date=1127839987]
Guys,

Using Zmodem protocol instead of Zmodem with crash recovery seems to do the trick. With this sending goes better.

Ruud
[/quote]

First, let me thank you for the new engines! I think, we are the first, who get Fruit '05, as it is not released for the public (and will not be free!)

Is Ruffian (X) an experimental version from you or from the author Per-Ola Valfridsson?

Here i still have small problems with sending. Works only at the second try. But doesn't matter, i know it and so it's no problem for me!

I'm afraid, the biggest problem with updating sits in front of my computer! ;D
At the first time i forgot to execute "Extra", because it wasn't mentioned in the manual! Then i remembered, that you had sent us a mail about this... ;D

I was only able to play one quick 30min/99moves match Fruit '05 - Star Sapphire. Fruit came not good out of the library (one pawn less) but turned it into a convincing victory!

Do we now have permission to publish tests with Fruit 2.1?


Will you consider my suggestions (# moves for "all"), that i mailed you?


best regards,
Robert
[/quote]


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 28, 2005, 02:17AM

Hi Ruud

I second what Robert says about getting the extra engines. I am like a kid at Christmas trying everything out.

There was not really any difference that I could see using Zmodem with, or without crash recovery. I find that sometimes I have to send two or three times before anything happens. Like Robert says you know it, so it is not a big problem, I just keep trying until it works.

I suspect there is a problem with time handling on Fruit. It got short of time in the quickly drawn game with the Tasc.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on September 28, 2005, 04:38AM

Hi Ruud,

on 1127897977]
Fruit '05 was sent to me by Fabien, and Fabien has given permission to use this only in the Resurrection.
[/quote]
So we are the only one (except some testers) that get the '05 version, because the version, that will be sold, will be a modified one!

We are privileged! :)

(from the old CSS-forum):
The strength of '05 and the commercial Fruit 2.2 should be the same and the modifications seem to be more important for using it with a Fritz-Gui (multi-variant-mode, Chess960-support, 2 libraries, (de-)select moves in the analysis and support of Nalimov-TB's (will come with the first patch)

Quote:

Publishing games is in my opinion allowed. I want to indicate that games where Resurrection is faulty in time management should not be published.
[/quote]
OK!
[quote]
Ruffian (X) is the same engine, only the information is presented in the old style. When you select Ruffian without the X you will see the new style display.

The "X" reminded me to e.g. "Chess Challenger X" where experimental versions were called "X"! ;D

[quote, Phoenix Chess wrote:

The #all will be considerd in a next release.


Great!


Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on September 29, 2005, 07:45AM

Hi All

I have started to put Resurrection Fruit 2005 through its paces.
First of all with some matches against the Tasc R30 v2.5, both machines
set to complete the game in 30 minutes. The first two games were
fairly even through the middle game but Fruit quickly got on top in the endgame.

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.09.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A11"]

1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 c6 3. d4 d5 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Nf3 e6 6. Bg2 Bd6 7. Nc3 O-O
8. Bg5 Nc6 9. O-O h6 10. Bxf6 Qxf6 11. e4 dxe4 12. Nxe4 Qd8 13. Nxd6 Qxd6
14. Rc1 Rd8 15. Qc2 Qb4 16. a3 Qb6 17. Rfd1 Rd5 18. Qc3 Rb5 19. Rd2
Bd7 20. b4 a5 21. Ne5 axb4 22. axb4 Qd8 23. Bf1 Rb6 24. b5 Ne7 25. Qb3 f6 26.
Nf3 Nd5 27. Rdc2 Ra5 28. Nd2 Qa8 29. Ne4 Ra3 30. Qb1 Qe8 31. Bc4 f5 32. Nc3
Rxc3 33. Rxc3 Nxc3 34. Rxc3 Kh7 35. Re3 Rd6 36. Qb2 Qd8 37. Re2 Qb6 38. Rd2 Qa5
39. Rd1 Qa4 40. Qe2 e5 41. d5 e4 42. Rc1 Qb4 43. Kg2 Be8 44. h3 Bf7 45. Qe1
Qxe1 46. Rxe1 Kg6 47. Rd1 Kf6 48. f3 exf3+ 49. Kxf3 Ke5 50. Re1+ Kd4 51. Re7
Bh5+ 52. g4 fxg4+ 53. hxg4 Bxg4+ 54. Kxg4 Kxc4 55. Rxb7 g6 56. b6 Kxd5 57. Kf3
h5 58. Rb8 Kc5 59. b7 Kc6 60. Kg3 Kc7 61. Rg8 Kxb7 62. Kh3 Kc6 63. Kg3 Rf6 64.
Kh3 Kc5 65. Rc8+ Kd5 66. Rg8 Ke4 67. Re8+ Kf3 68. Rg8 Ra6 69. Rf8+ Ke4 70. Kh4
Ra1 71. Rg8 Rh1+ 72. Kg3 Kf5 73. Rf8+ Kg5 74. Kg2 Rd1 75. Ra8 h4 76. Kh3 Rd3+
77. Kh2 Kh5 78. Ra5+ g5 79. Rb5 h3 80. Rb8 Kh4 81. Rh8+ Kg4 82. Rc8 Rd2+ 83.
Kh1 Kh4 84. Rc4+ g4 85. Rb4 Re2 86. Rc4 Kg3 87. Rc1 Kf3 88. Rc3+ Re3 89. Rc1 g3
90. Rf1+ Kg4 91. Rd1 h2 92. Rg1 hxg1=Q+ 93. Kxg1 Kf3 94. Kf1 Re2 95. Kg1 Re1#
0-1

Fruit brings its King into the fray as soon as Queens come off the board and easily
wins the rook and pawn endgame.

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.09.29"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A15"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 d5 4. e3 Bf5 5. Be2 dxc4 6.
Bxc4 e6 7. O-O Nbd7 8. Nd4 Bg6 9. f4 Bc5 10. f5 Bh5 11. Be2 e5 12. Nf3 e4 13.
Ng5 Bxe2 14. Qxe2 Qe7 15. Rf4 Bd6 16. Rh4 O-O 17. Ngxe4 Nxe4 18. Rxe4 Qf6 19.
Qh5 g6 20. Qh3 Nb6 21. Rh4 h5 22. Ne4 Qe7 23. f6 Qe5 24. d4 Qd5 25. Qf3 Rfe8
26. Bd2 Re6 27. Rf1 Nc4 28. Nxd6 Nxd2 29. Qxd5 cxd5 30. Rd1 Rxd6 31. Rxd2 Re8
32. Rc2 Rxf6 33. Rh3 Ra6 34. b3 f5 35. Rf3 Kf7 36. Kf2 b5 37. Ke2 b4 38. Kd3
Re7 39. g3 Ke8 40. Rff2 Rae6 41. Rfe2 Rd7 42. Rc8+ Kf7 43. Rb8 Rb6 44. Rxb6
axb6 45. Rc2 Re7 46. h3 Re8 47. h4 Re7 48. Ke2 Re6 49. Rc7+ Re7 50. Rc6 Re6 51.
Rc1 Re7 52. Kf3 Re6 53. Rc8 Ke7 54. Ra8 Kd6 55. Ra4 Kc6 56. Rxb4 Re7 57. a4 Re4
58. Kf2 Rg4 59. a5 bxa5 60. Rb8 Re4 61. Rc8+ Kb5 62. Rc5+ Kb4 63. Rxd5 Re6 64.
Ke2 Ra6 65. Kd3 Kxb3 66. Rb5+ Ka2 67. d5 a4 68. Kd4 a3 69. Kc5 Ra8 70. d6 Rc8+
71. Kd5 Rd8 72. Ke6 Re8+ 73. Kf7 Rd8 74. Ke7 Rg8 75. d7 Rg7+ 76. Kd6 Rg8 77.
Kc7 Rg7 78. Kc8 Rg8+ 79. d8=Q Rxd8+ 80. Kxd8 Ka1 81. Ke7 Ka2 82. Kf6 Ka1 83.
Rb4 Ka2 84. Kxg6 Ka1 85. Kxf5 Ka2 86. e4 Ka1 87. e5 Ka2 88. e6 Ka1 89. e7 a2
90. g4 hxg4 91. e8=Q g3 92. Qe5# 1-0

Fruit again handles a rook and pawn endgame the best, starting with an inferior pawn formation.

These were both long games and Fruit had no problems with time handling, finishing each game
with over two minutes to spare. Shortage of time in the draw by repetition posted earlier was,
I think, due to the incompetence of the operator. :-[

Tasc 0 - 2 Resurrection

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 2, 2005, 02:54AM

The Tasc R30 fights back in games 3 and 4.

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.01"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B22"]

1. e4 c5 2. c3 Nf6 3. e5 Nd5 4. d4 cxd4 5.
cxd4 d6 6. Nf3 Nc6 7. Nc3 dxe5 8. dxe5 Nxc3 9. Qxd8+ Nxd8 10. bxc3 Be6 11. Nd4
Bd7 12. Be2 Rc8 13. Bd2 Rc5 14. f4 g5 15. g3 Bg7 16. Rb1 b6 17. O-O O-O 18. c4
Re8 19. Rbd1 gxf4 20. gxf4 Ba4 21. Rc1 Rc7 22. Be3 Nb7 23. Nb5 Rd7 24. Nxa7 Nc5
25. Nb5 Rb8 26. Kh1 f6 27. Bg4 Rd3 28. Rce1 Ra8 29. Bf5 Rdd8 30. Rg1 fxe5 31.
fxe5 Kh8 32. Rg2 Rf8 33. Bxc5 bxc5 34. Be6 h6 35. Nc7 Ra7 36. Nd5 Ra6 37. Bg4
Bc6 38. Kg1 Rfa8 39. Be6 Bb7 40. Rb1 Bxe5 41. Rxb7 Bd4+ 42. Kh1 Rxe6 43. Rxe7
Rxe7 44. Nxe7 Re8 45. Re2 Kh7 46. Re6 Rf8 47. a4 Ra8 48. Nf5 Rxa4 49. Rxh6+ Kg8
50. Nxd4 cxd4 51. c5 Rc4 52. c6 d3 53. Kg2 d2 54. Rd6 Rxc6 55. Rxd2 Kh7 56. h4
Kh6 57. Rd5 Rc4 58. Kg3 Rc3+ 59. Kh2 Rc2+ 60. Kg1 Rc1+ 61. Kf2 Rc4 62. h5 Rh4
63. Ke3 Rxh5 1/2-1/2

Tasc gets an edge but has no chance of seeing its extra pawn home.

Resurrection 2.5 - 0.5 Tasc R30

Game 4

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.01"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B12"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5.
Be2 c5 6. Be3 Qb6 7. b3 Nc6 8. Nc3 cxd4 9. Bxd4 Qa5 10. O-O Nxd4 11. Qxd4 Rc8
12. Bb5+ Kd8 13. Nxd5 exd5 14. Qxd5+ Kc7 15. Qxf7+ Ne7 16. Bd3 Bxd3 17. cxd3
Qd5 18. Rac1+ Kd7 19. Qf4 Nc6 20. Ng5 Kc7 21. Nf7 Rg8 22. Rfe1 Kb8 23. e6+ Ka8
24. Qe4 Qxe4 25. Rxe4 Be7 26. h3 Nb4 27. Rec4 Rxc4 28. dxc4 Nd3 29. Rd1 Nf4 30.
Re1 Rf8 31. Kf1 Nxe6 32. Nh6 Bg5 33. Rxe6 Bxh6 34. Re7 Kb8 35. g4 Rg8 36. Rf7
Bg5 37. f4 Bf6 38. Ke2 Rd8 39. f5 Kc8 40. h4 Bc3 41. Ke3 Bd4+ 42. Ke4 Bb2 43.
Ke3 Re8+ 44. Kf3 Bd4 45. g5 Re3+ 46. Kf4 Re2 47. f6 gxf6 48. Rxh7 fxg5+ 49.
hxg5 Rxa2 50. Ke4 Ba1 51. Rh1 Bg7 52. Rh7 Re2+ 53. Kf5 Rf2+ 54. Kg4 Rf7 55. Kh5
Rd7 56. Kg6 Bc3 57. Rxd7 Kxd7 58. Kf7 Kd6 59. g6 Kc5 60. Ke6 Kb4 61. Kd6 Kxb3
62. c5 a5 63. Kc7 Kc4 64. Kxb7 Kxc5 65. Kc7 a4 66. Kd7 a3 67. Ke7 a2 68. Ke6
a1=Q 69. Ke7 Qe1+ 70. Kd7 Qe4 71. g7 Bf6 72. Kc7 Qc6+ 73. Kb8 Kb6 74. g8=Q Be5#
0-1

An interesting game. Fruit 2005 gives up a Knight for 3 pawns and opens up the Black King to attack in the centre. Fruit's p(oops!)ed pawns on the d and e files look strong but somehow Fruit 2005 does not make anything of them, nor does it achieve much down the open c file. Perhaps it is harder than it looks to utilise these advantages? Anyway, Fruit 2005 accepts an exchange which turns its d pawn into a c pawn then loses its now isolated e pawn and the win for Tasc becomes straightforward.

Resurrection 2.5 - 1.5 Tasc R30

and a chance that the Tasc can protect its strongest dedicated chess computer crown?

Mike








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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: drawmeister on October 2, 2005, 12:57PM

Mike,

Thanks for posting the games between these giants of the dedicated world, and it also saves me the cost of buying the selective search magazine to see them :P

and congratulations on your own very creditable 'draw' ........maybe you should have my username.

Ian.


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 2, 2005, 04:08PM

Ian

For that you deserve some more long lists of moves. ;D

Oh Yes, the battle between Resurrection Fruit (a name I am having difficulty treating seriously) and the great Tasc R30 continues.

Hands up those who are taking sides?

Game 5

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.01"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D60"]

1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nf3 Nbd7
5. Bg5 Be7 6. e3 O-O 7. Bd3 h6 8. Bh4 dxc4 9. Bxc4 b6 10. O-O Bb7 11. Nd2 c5
12. Re1 a6 13. Qc2 cxd4 14. exd4 Rc8 15. a4 Nb8 16. Qd3 Nc6 17. Ne2 Nb4 18. Qb3
Qd6 19. Rac1 Bc6 20. Qa3 Ng4 21. Qh3 Bxh4 22. Qxh4 Nf6 23. Nc3 Rfd8 24. Red1
Qd7 25. a5 Qb7 26. Bf1 bxa5 27. Nc4 Nbd5 28. Re1 Ne7 29. Qf4 Nf5 30. Red1 a4
31. Rd2 Bb5 32. d5 Nxd5 33. Nxd5 Rxd5 34. Rcd1?? Bxc4 35. Rxd5 Bxd5 36. Qxa4 Qxb2
37. Qxa6 Rc2 38. Qa7 Qb4 39. h3 Ra2 40. Qc7 Qh4 41. Qc5 Qe4 42. Qc8+ Kh7 43.
Qc5 g6 44. Qc7 e5 45. Qb6 Nd4 46. Qf6 Ne2+ 47. Kh1 Rd2 48. Ra1 Ng3+ 49. fxg3
Rxg2 50. Qxf7+ Bxf7 51. Bxg2 Qd3 52. Kh2 e4 53. Ra7 Kg7 54. Re7 e3 55. h4 Qd2
56. Kh3 Kf6 57. Re4 Be6+ 58. g4 Bd5 59. g5+ Kf5 60. Rg4 e2 61. Bxd5 e1=Q 62.
Be4+ Ke5 63. Bf3 Qdf2 64. Re4+ Qxe4 65. Bxe4 Kf4 66. gxh6 Qg3# 0-1

The Tasc R30 is outmanoeuvred in the middle game and the beginning of the end is 34 Rcd1?

Resurrection Fruit 2005 3.5 - 1.5 Tasc R30


Game 6

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.02"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B01"]

1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3.
Nc3 Qa5 4. d4 Nf6 5. Nf3 c6 6. Bc4 Bg4 7. O-O Nbd7 8. h3 Bh5 9. Re1 e6 10. Bd2
Qb6 11. Na4 Qc7 12. Bd3 Bd6 13. a3 O-O 14. Bb4 Bxb4 15. axb4 Nd5 16. b5 cxb5
17. Bxb5 N7f6 18. c3 b6 19. g4 Bg6 20. Ne5 Ne7 21. Qf3 a6 22. Bc6 Rab8 23. g5
Bh5 24. Qg3 Nfd5 25. Bxd5 exd5 26. Nc4 Qxc4 27. Rxe7 Qb5 28. Qc7 Bg6 29. b4
Rfd8 30. Kh2 a5 31. bxa5 bxa5 32. Kg1 Rdc8 33. Qd7 Qc4 34. Nb6!! Qxc3 35. Nxc8
Qxc8 36. Qxc8+ Rxc8 37. Rxa5 Kf8 38. Raa7 Rd8 39. f4 Rb8 40. Red7 h6 41. gxh6
gxh6 42. Rxd5 Rb1+ 43. Kf2 Rb2+ 44. Kg3 Rb3+ 45. Kg4 h5+ 46. Kg5 Be4 47. Rdd7
Rb5+ 48. Kh6 Rb6+ 49. Kxh5 Rf6 50. Kg5 Rg6+ 51. Kh4 Rh6+ 52. Kg3 Rg6+ 53. Kf2
Rf6 54. Re7 Bc6 55. Ke3 Bd5 56. Re5 Rd6 57. h4 Rd8 58. Kd3 Kg7 59. Rg5+ Kh7 60.
Ra6 Bb3 61. h5 Be6 62. Re5 Bd5 63. Rb6 Kg7 64. h6+ Kh7 65. Rg5 Kh8 66. Rg7 Re8
67. Rb5 Be4+ 68. Kc4 Bg6 69. d5 Re4+ 70. Kc5 Re8 71. d6 Rd8 72. Rb7 Ra8 73. d7
Rd8 74. Kd4 Bf5 75. Rxf7 Bg6 76. Re7 Kg8 77. Rg7+ Kh8 78. Rc7 Bf5 79. Ke5 Bxd7
80. Rgxd7 Rxd7 81. Rxd7 Kg8 82. Kf6 Kh8 83. Kg6 Kg8 84. Rd8# 1-0

The game is even until 34 Nb6!! comes like a bolt from the blue. It looks like this fails to Qxc3 35. Nxc8 Qxa1+ but the problem is the threat along the back rank which cannot then be stopped with mate in a few more moves. So Tasc struggles on material down, and Resurrection gets short of time and spends most of it delivering the knock out blow. Funny that the key move was white's 34th in both games.

Resurrection Fruit 2005 4.5 - 1.5 Tasc R30

Mike










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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on October 3, 2005, 12:51AM

;D

Resurrection is #1..

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on October 4, 2005, 07:06AM

Hello Ruud,

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3916 date=1128325909]
;D

Resurrection is #1..
[/quote]
Yes, it looks, that Resurrection finally made it!! (at least with the Fruit '05-engine) ;)

I'm sorry, that i don't have much time to play at the moment; but the three games against Genius 68030, that i have done until now, are 2,5 - 0,5 for Resurrection!

And SteveB's Resurrection seems to win convincingly against the Tasc R40 2.5 too!

And now a new version of Toga based on Fruit '05 would be interesting! ;)

But i'm afraid, we won't see this, because Fruit has gone comercial... :-[


best,
Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 4, 2005, 10:57AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg3916 date=1128325909]
;D

Resurrection is #1..

Ruud
[/quote]

Ruud

It is a bit early to say that. After only 6 games of my 100 game test. ;D

The other day Resurrection was only saved by my wife demanding that the dining table be cleared of all chess computers. :-\

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on October 14, 2005, 01:21PM

Guys,

Let us see what Resurrection will do in Kaufbeuren. It has a title to defend...

Greetings,
Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 14, 2005, 01:38PM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg4028 date=1129321278]
[size=2]Guys,

Let us see what Resurrection will do in Kaufbeuren. It has a title to defend...

Greetings,
Ruud[/size][/quote]
Ruud

Good luck at Kaufbeuren. No fiddling with the Hash. And please come back with the Cup.

Best wishes
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Sargon on October 14, 2005, 04:11PM

Hello chessfriends,

Myself one of the testers of Ruud project. 8) want to say " Resurrection Fruit must be no 1 in Kaufbeuren because it plays stronger then Ruffian!" But i have trained mine old Tournamentmachine Londen to the edge ...... ;D new oil etc. ;)

Kind testing Regards, :P

Hans


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 14, 2005, 11:48PM

[quote author=Sargon link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg4030 date=1129331486]
Hello chessfriends,

Myself one of the testers of Ruud project. 8) want to say " Resurrection Fruit must be no 1 in Kaufbeuren because it plays stronger then Ruffian!" But i have trained mine old Tournamentmachine Londen to the edge ...... ;D new oil etc. ;)

Kind testing Regards, :P

Hans
[/quote]Hans

That Tournament Machine is not so young anymore. Go easy on it. Resignation is no disgrace against the mighty Fruit. ::)

Good luck for second place. R40 3rd. :o

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 19, 2005, 04:03PM

Hi All

With the Timeline mostly complete I have turned my attention back to some Resurrection testing. A taster for Kaufbeuren.

The score in the first six games was Resurrection Fruit 2005 4.5 - 1.5 Tasc R30 v2.5.

Game 7 is a Cl(oops!)ical Kings Indian. An opening I play myself, so at least I have some idea what is going on, for a while anyway.

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.19"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E92"]

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. d4 g6 3. c4 Bg7 4. Nc3 d6 5.
e4 O-O 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 c6 8. d5 Ng4 9. Bg5 f6 10. Bc1 f5 11. O-O Nf6 12. Bg5
Qb6 13. Bxf6 Bxf6 14. Qd2 Na6 15. Rad1 c5 16. a3 Bd7 17. Rfe1 Kh8 18. Qc2 f4
19. Ra1 Nc7 20. b3 Rf7 21. b4 g5 22. h3 Na6 23. b5 Nc7 24. Nd2 a6 25. a4 Qa5?
26. Reb1 Bg7 27. Nb3 Qb6 28. a5 Qa7 29. b6 Qb8 30. bxc7 Qxc7 31. Nd2 Rb8 32.
Rb6 Re7 33. Rab1 Be8 34. Qb2 Bf8 35. Bg4 Qd8 36. Nf3 h6 37. Nd2 Qc7 38. Bf5 Qd8
39. Nf3 Bh5 40. Rxa6 Bxf3 41. gxf3 Kg7 42. Rb6 Ra8 43. Ra1 Kh8 44. Ra4 Ra7 45.
a6 Qc7 46. axb7 Rxb7 47. Rxb7 Qxb7 48. Qxb7 Rxb7 49. Nb5 Rb6 50. Ra7 Kg8 51.
Be6+ Kh8 52. Kf1 Rb8 53. Rf7 Ra8 54. Rxf8+ Rxf8 55. Nxd6 Kg7 56. Kg2 Rb8 57.
Nf7 Kf6 58. Nxh6 Ke7 59. Nf5+ Kf6 60. Bd7 Rb2 61. Bb5 Ra2 62. Nd6 Ra7 63. Bc6
Ra2 64. Nb7 Ra7 65. Nxc5 Ke7 66. Nb7 Kf6 67. d6 Ra8 68. c5 Ke6 69. Bd5+ Kf6 70.
c6 Rh8 71. c7 g4 72. hxg4 Kg5 73. d7 Kh6 74. d8=Q Rxd8 75. cxd8=Q Kg7 76. g5
Kg6 77. Qf6+ Kh5 78. Qh6# 1-0

Not a good game for Fruit 2005. It shuffles around with its knight and Queen on the queens side until it almost gets its Queen trapped and has to give up the knight for a pawn. The game could have stopped then and there. Its queen side pawns immediately come under pressure and it never gets any play.

One of the worst games I have seen from a strong computer.

Resurrection Fruit 2005 4.5 - 2.5 Tasc R30 v2.5


On to Game 8 a Dutch Defence between two Dutch machines :-

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.19"]
[Round "8"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A81"]

1. d4 f5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 e6 4. Nf3 Be7 5.
Nc3 c5 6. d5 Ne4 7. Nxe4 fxe4 8. Ne5 d6 9. Nc4 Nd7 10. dxe6 Nf6 11. Bh3 d5 12.
Ne5 Qc7 13. Bf4 Qb6 14. c4 Bxe6 15. Qa4+ Kf8 16. Bxe6 Qxe6 17. cxd5 Qxd5 18.
Nc4 Rd8 19. O-O Qe6 20. Rfd1 Nd5 21. Ne3 Nxf4 22. gxf4 a6 23. Rxd8+ Bxd8 24.
Rd1 Bf6 25. f5 Qe8 26. Qb3 b5 27. Rd5 Qc8 28. Qc2 c4 29. b3 c3 30. Qxe4 Kf7 31.
Rd6 Re8 32. Qd5+ Kf8 33. Rc6 Qd8 34. Kf1 Qb8 35. Rxa6 Rd8 36. Qc6 Qxh2 37. Ra8
Bh4 38. Rxd8+ Bxd8 39. a4 Bb6 40. Qa8+ Kf7 41. Qd5+ Kf8 42. Qf3 Bxe3 43. Qa8+
Ke7 44. Qe4+ Kd8 45. Qd3+ Ke8 46. Qxe3+ Kf8 47. Qc5+ Kf7 48. e3 Qh1+ 49. Ke2
bxa4 50. Qc4+ Kf8 51. Qc8+ Kf7 52. Qe6+ Kf8 53. Qd6+ Ke8 54. Qe5+ Kf7 55. Qc7+
Ke8 56. bxa4 Qa1 57. Qxg7 Qa2+ 58. Kf3 c2 59. Qh8+ Kd7 60. Qxh7+ Kc6 61. Qh6+
Kb7 62. Qg7+ Ka6 63. Qf6+ Kb7 64. Qe7+ Kc6 65. Qe8+ Kd6 66. Qd8+ Ke5 67. Qc8
Kf6 68. Ke4 Qb1 69. Qf8+ Kg5 70. Qg7+ Kh5 71. Qf7+ Kh4 72. Qh7+ Kg5 73. Qg8+
Kf6 74. Qe6+ Kg5 75. Qg6+ Kh4 76. Qh6+ Kg4 77. Qf4+ Kh5 78. Qh2+ Kg5 79. Qg3+
Kh5 80. Qh3+ Kg5 81. f4+ Kf6 82. Qh6+ Ke7 83. Qe6+ Kd8 84. Qd6+ Kc8 85. Qc6+
Kb8 86. Qd6+ Ka7 87. Qd4+ Ka6 88. Qc4+ Ka5 89. Qc5+ Kxa4 90. Qc6+ Ka5 91. Qd5+
Kb6 92. Qd6+ Kb5 93. Qd7+ Ka6 94. Qd3+ Kb7 95. Qd7+ Ka8 96. Qc8+ Ka7 97. Qc5+
Kb7 98. Qe7+ Kc6 99. Qe6+ Kc5 1/2-1/2

Fruit has an edge but can only keep checking the black king.

Resurrection Fruit 2005 5 - 3 Tasc R30 v2.5


Game 9 is a Semi-Slav QGD :-

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.19"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D48"]

1. Nf3 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. c4 c6 4. Nc3 e6 5.
e3 Nbd7 6. Bd3 dxc4 7. Bxc4 b5 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. O-O a6 10. e4 c5 11. d5 c4 12. Bc2
Qc7 13. dxe6 fxe6 14. Ng5 Nc5 15. Be3 h6 16. e5 hxg5 17. Bg6+ Ke7 18. Bxc5+
Qxc5 19. exf6+ gxf6 20. h3? f5 21. Qd2? Kf6 22. Rae1 Bd6 23. Re2 Rad8 24. Qc1 Bf4
25. Qe1 Kxg6 26. Rxe6+ Kf7 27. a3 g4 28. b4 cxb3 29. h4 Rxh4 30. Re7+ Qxe7 31.
Qxe7+ Kxe7 32. Re1+ Kf6 33. f3 gxf3 34. gxf3 Bxf3 35. Nd5+ Rxd5 36. Kf2 Rd2+
37. Re2 Bxe2 38. Ke1 Rh1+ 39. Kf2 Bg4# 0-1

Tasc leaves its bishop where it can be trapped and its position rapidly falls apart. White can resign by move 25.

Resurrection Fruit 2005 6 - 3 Tasc R30 v2.5


Game 10 is a Closed Sicilian.

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.19"]
[Round "10"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B26"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5.
d3 d6 6. Be3 e6 7. Qd2 Nge7 8. Nge2 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Bg5 Nxe2+ 11. Qxe2 h6
12. Be3 Qb6 13. Rab1 Bd7 14. Qd2 Kh7 15. b4 Qc7 16. bxc5 dxc5 17. Nb5 Qb6 18.
a4 Rfc8 19. e5 Bxe5 20. Na3 Qd8 21. Nc4 Bg7 22. Bxb7 Bc6 23. Bxa8 Bxa8 24. Rb5
Nf5 25. Qa5 Qd5 26. f3 Nxe3 27. Nxe3 Bd4 28. Qd2 Qa2 29. Kh1 Qxa4 30. Rbb1 Rd8
31. c3 Bg7 32. Ra1 Qd7 33. Rad1 Bc6 34. Nc4 Bb5 35. Qb2 Bxc4 36. dxc4 Qxd1 37.
Rxd1 Rxd1+ 38. Kg2 a5 39. Qa3 Rd2+ 40. Kh3 a4 41. Qxc5 Rd3 42. Qa7 Rxf3 43.
Qxa4 Rxc3 44. Qe8 Rxc4 45. Qxf7 Re4 46. g4 e5 47. Qb3 Rd4 48. Kg3 e4 49. Qe6
Rd3+ 50. Kf4 e3 51. h4 Ra3 52. Kf3 Bf8 53. Qe8 Bg7 54. Qe4 e2+ 55. Kxe2 Ra5 56.
Kd2 Re5 57. Qc6 g5 58. Qc2+ Kg8 59. Qc4+ Kf8 60. Qc8+ Ke7 61. Qb7+ Kf8 62. Qf3+
Ke7 63. Qa3+ Ke6 64. Qb3+ Ke7 65. h5 Re6 66. Qb7+ Kf8 67. Qd7 Re7 68. Qc8+ Re8
69. Qf5+ Kg8 70. Qd5+ Kf8 71. Qf3+ Kg8 72. Qb3+ Kf8 73. Qd5 Re5 74. Qf3+ Ke7
75. Qa3+ Kf7 76. Qd6 Re7 77. Qg6+ Kf8 78. Qf5+ Ke8 79. Qc8+ Kf7 80. Kd3 Bb2 81.
Qf5+ Kg8 82. Qc5 Rd7+ 83. Ke2 Bf6 84. Qc8+ Rd8 85. Qe6+ Kg7 86. Qf5 Kf7 87.
Qg6+ Ke6 88. Qxh6 Rd4 89. Qf8 Rd8 90. Qc5 Rd4 91. Qf5+ Ke7 92. h6 Rd8 93. h7
Kf7 94. Qa5 Kg7 95. Qc7+ Kh8 96. Qc6 Bg7 97. Qe4 Rf8 98. Qd3 Rf6 99. Qd5 Kxh7
100. Qxg5 1/2-1/2

At this point I judged the game a draw. Resurrection had a clear evaluation advantage but was running out of time having made the 99 moves in 30 mins that its settings allow for.

So the score to date is Resurrection Fruit 2005 6.5 - 3.5 Tasc R30 v2.5.

This is not the easy win for Fruit I was expecting after the first 6 games. So the test goes on until the cutthroat action at Kaufbeuren over the weekend.

All the best
Mike






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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 20, 2005, 07:12AM

Hi All

Hoping, but not expecting, that there is still interest out there in the Fruit v Tasc test here are the latest games. Can the Tasc R30 really fight back?

Game 11

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.20"]
[Round "11"]
[White "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D30"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 d5 4. Bg5 h6 5.
Bxf6 Qxf6 6. Qb3 dxc4 7. Qxc4 Nc6 8. e3 Qg6 9. Nc3 Bd7 10. Qd3 f5 11. h4 O-O-O
12. Qc2 Be7 13. h5 Qg4 14. O-O-O Kb8 15. Rh2 Be8 16. Be2 Nb4 17. Qb3 f4 18. Ne5
Qg5 19. Qxe6 fxe3 20. Ne4 Qf4 21. Qxe7 exf2+ 22. Nd2 Rxd4 23. Rhh1 Ba4 24. Qxg7
Rhd8 25. Kb1 Bxd1 26. Rxd1 Qf5+ 27. Bd3 Rxd3 28. Ka1 f1=Q 29. b3 Qxd1+ 30. Kb2
Rxd2+ 31. Ka3 Rxa2+ 32. Kxb4 Qd4+ 33. Nc4 Qfc5# 0-1

In a sharp middle game position the Tasc R30s evaluation plummets from a pawn plus up (Move 20) to completely slaughtered within five moves.

Resurrection Fruit 2005 7.5 - 3.5 Tasc R30 v2.5


Game 12

[Event "Game in 30 mins"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2005.10.20"]
[Round "12"]
[White "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Black "Tasc R30 v2.5"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B19"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5
5. Ng3 Bg6 6. h4 h6 7. Nf3 Nd7 8. h5 Bh7 9. Bd3 Bxd3 10. Qxd3 Qc7 11. Bd2 Ngf6
12. O-O-O e6 13. Ne4 O-O-O 14. g3 Nxe4 15. Qxe4 Bd6 16. Qg4 Rh7 17. c4 Nf6 18.
Qh4 Rhh8 19. c5 Be7 20. Bf4 Qa5 21. Kb1 Qb5 22. Rd2 Rd7 23. Be5 Nd5 24. Qg4 Rg8
25. Re1 g6 26. hxg6 Rxg6 27. Qh5 b6 28. Rc1 bxc5 29. dxc5 Bxc5 30. Rdc2 Bb6 31.
Rxc6+ Kb7 32. R6c4 Bxf2 33. Qh4 Be3 34. Nd4 Bxd4 35. Qxd4 f5 36. Rc5 Qe2 37.
Ka1 Nb6 38. Qc3 Qd3 39. Qa5 Rgg7 40. Bxg7 Rxg7 41. Qe1 Qd7 42. Qc3 Nd5 43. Qb3+
Nb6 44. Re5 Rg6 45. Rce1 Qc7 46. Rxe6 Rxe6 47. Qxe6 Qxg3 48. Rf1 Qg2 49. Qxf5
Qc6 50. Qh7+ Nd7 51. Rd1 Kc7 52. Qg7 a5 53. Qd4 h5 54. Qa7+ Kc8 55. Qxa5 h4 56.
Qf5 Qa4 57. Rc1+ Kb8 58. Qd5 Nb6 59. Qd8+ Ka7 60. Rc7+ Ka6 61. Qd3+ Qb5 62.
Ra7+ Kxa7 63. Qxb5 Kb7 64. a4 Kc7 65. Qc5+ Kb7 66. a5 Nd7 67. Qd5+ Ka6 68. b4
Ne5 69. Qxe5 Kb7 70. b5 Kc8 71. Qe7 h3 72. b6 Kb8 73. Qc7+ Ka8 74. Qc8# 1-0

The Tasc R30, a pawn up in a well balanced middle game, gets out calculated by Fruit again. The new upstart wins the exchange and comfortably disposes of the old champion. :'(

Resurrection Fruit 2005 8.5 - 3.5 Tasc R30 v2.5

It is now looking rather one sided.

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on October 20, 2005, 06:39PM

Mike, please keep them coming ;D
Though I don't have much time right now, I'm saving these games and want to take a look at them in the future 8)

Thanks,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on October 20, 2005, 11:31PM

Hello Mike,

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg4084 date=1129817575]
Hoping, but not expecting, that there is still interest out there in the Fruit v Tasc test here are the latest games.
[/quote]
Of course there is interest!
[quote]
Can the Tasc R30 really fight back?
[/quote]
But there is no hope anymore! ;)


Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on October 21, 2005, 05:21AM

Yes Mike,

keep them coming. Sadly I have got not much time for testing at the moment, but at least I can enjoy the games provided by others!

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 25, 2005, 01:59AM

Ruud was using the new 128 x 64 Graphical Active Display at Kaufbeuren :-

http://www.linzer-buerger.at/galleries/Kaufbeuren2005/photos/photo5.

Apparently much programming and testing work is still to be done before a production module is ready. :(

These are the Kaufbeuren results :-

A) Blitzturnier am Freitag, 21.10.05

Rundensystem, 9 TN

1. Resurrection Fruit 8 Punkte aus 8 Partien
2. Resurrection Toga 5 Punkte
3. TM London 5 Punkte
4. Fid. V.11 4 Punkte
5. Fid. Mach IV Des. 3,5 Punkte
6. Mephisto Atlanta 3 Punkte
7. Fid. Mach III Des. 3 Punkte
8. Saitek Corona 2,5 Punkte
9. Novag Star Diamond 2 Punkte

B) Hauptturnier 22.10-23.10.2005

Rundenturnier, 10 TN

01. Resurrection Fruit 8,5 Punkte aus 9 Partien
02. TASC R40 7 Punkte
03. TASC R30 V.2.5 6 Punkte
04. TM London 6 Punkte
05. Novag Scorpio (!!) 4,5 Punkte
06. Mephisto RIsc 2 4 Punkte
07. Dominator 2.05 3,5 Punkte
08. Monte Carlo L.E. 2,5 Punkte
09. Saitek Corona 1,5 Punkte
10. Fidelity Mach III 1,5 Punkte


C) Oldie-Turnier bzw. U1800-Gruppe

Rundenturnier, 8 TN

1. Fidelity Excellence 6 Punkte
2. Conchess Plymate 5,5 Punkte
3. Super Constellation 5 Punkte
4. Mephisto MM 2 4 Punkte
5. Turbostar 432 3 Punkte
6. Constellation 3,6 3 Punkte
7. Mephisto MM 1 1 Punkt
8. Sens. Chall. Elite 0,5 Punkte

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: drawmeister on October 25, 2005, 03:04AM

Oh yes i am very interested in the Resurrection games as hopefully it will be a future purchase for me once it is made commercially available ?....and a nice alternative to having to buy a second hand TASC.

Keep the games coming Mike. ;D

Ian.


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on November 13, 2005, 08:52AM

Hi all,

I've posted the following text also at schachcomputer.info.

This is a more than 20 years old test with the following idea: White plays extremely p(oops!)ive to see how the program performs being completely on its own.

Can anyone confirm the freezing of Ruffian 2.1 (X)? I've had also some probs after changing the engine and the level and starting playing. Can anyone confirm that too?

There are two interesting observations:

1) Ruffian 2.1 and Ruffian 2.1 (X) play differently (the latter similar to Fruit 05). Do the correct programs load?

2) Deep Sjeng plays 1.a3 d5 à tempo: the move is probably in its book with funny consequences... :o

Best,
Martin



[Event "5s / move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "-"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit '05"]
[Result "0-1"]
[PlyCount "16"]

1. a3 Nc6 2. Ra2 e5 3. Ra1 Nf6 4. Ra2 d5 5. Ra1 Bf5 6. Ra2 Bc5 7. Ra1 Ne4 8.
Ra2 Bxf2# 0-1

[Event "5s / move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "-"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[PlyCount "18"]

1. a3 d5 2. Ra2 Nf6 3. Ra1 Nc6 4. Ra2 e5 5. Ra1 Bf5 6. Ra2 Bc5 7. Ra1 O-O 8.
Ra2 Ne4 9. Ra1 Bxf2# 0-1

[Event "5s / move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "-"]
[Black "Resurrection Toga 1.0"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[PlyCount "24"]

1. a3 Nc6 2. Ra2 d5 3. Ra1 Nf6 4. Ra2 Bd7 5. Ra1 e5 6. Ra2 Bd6 7. Ra1 O-O 8.
Ra2 Nd4 9. Ra1 Ng4 10. Ra2 Qg5 11. Ra1 Qf5 12. Ra2 Qxf2# 0-1

[Event "5s / move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "-"]
[Black "Resurrection Deep Sjeng 1.8"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[PlyCount "20"]

1. a3 d5 {bookmove} 2. Ra2 Nc6 3. Ra1 Nb8 4. Ra2 e5 {
avoiding threefold repetition} 5. Ra1 Nc6 6. Ra2 Bf5 7. Ra1 Bc5 8. Ra2 Nf6 9.
Ra1 Ne4 10. Ra2 Bxf2# 0-1

[Event "5s / move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "-"]
[Black "Resurrection Ruffian 2.1 (X)"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A00"]
[PlyCount "15"]

1. a3 e5 2. Ra2 Nc6 3. Ra1 d5 4. Ra2 Nf6 5. Ra1 Bf5 6. Ra2 Bc5 7. Ra1 Ne4 8.
Ra2 {freezing} *

[Event "5s / move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "-"]
[Black "Resurrection Ruffian 2.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[PlyCount "22"]

1. a3 e5 2. Ra2 Nc6 3. Ra1 d5 4. Ra2 Nf6 5. Ra1 Bf5 6. Ra2 Bd6 7. Ra1 O-O 8.
Ra2 Ng4 9. Ra1 Qf6 10. Ra2 Bxc2 11. Ra1 Qxf2# 0-1


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on November 13, 2005, 12:05PM

[quote]Can anyone confirm the freezing of Ruffian 2.1 (X)? I've had also some probs after changing the engine and the level and starting playing. Can anyone confirm that too?

There are two interesting observations:

1) Ruffian 2.1 and Ruffian 2.1 (X) play differently (the latter similar to Fruit 05). Do the correct programs load?

2) Deep Sjeng plays 1.a3 d5 à tempo: the move is probably in its book with funny consequences... :o

Best,
Martin

[/quote]Martin

Other than the problems I mentioned at the start of the Resurrection v Compuchess thread, there is also a consistent problem getting Fruit 2005 to move first as white, I find. A trial and error process of pressing new game, making a move and taking back seems to overcome this but I get the problem every time Fruit 2005 plays white.

I also came across a very obscure pawn promotion bug in Fruit 2005 where a black king on H8 took a white pawn on H7 promoting itself to a white piece on H7 in the process. ;D I could not replicate this however, nor did I have the game score. Perhaps I was hallucinating. 8)

I have not done enough with Ruffian 2.1 (X) to really comment on your doubt as to which program is loading. There is the freeze on checkmate problem noted on the other thread. I will see if I get your problem also.

My impression is that Ruffian 2.1 is fairly reliable and robust, apart from not apparently recognising 3-fold repetition in the games I played with the oldies.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on November 13, 2005, 12:13PM

Hi Mike,

I haven't played Resurrection for a few weeks and have not followed the threads... so thank you for summing up all the known probs. ;)

It seems indeed that the New Game function doesn't work properly.

All the mentioned problems are minor ones but I think it's not bad to write them down somewhere. ;D

Best,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on November 13, 2005, 12:38PM

Hey guys,

I got second place this weekend at Leiden. On Saturday we played 45 minutes per side and got 4 out of 4. On Sunday we played 30 minutes per side, but i imposed upon myself a handicap. I played with 1/3 of this time.. Now i only won one game out of five...


But Fruit performed great again :)
In my opinion Fruit has given Resurrection the #1 position on dedicated chess systems...

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on November 13, 2005, 12:43PM

Hey Ruud,

congrats for your second place! :D

Best,
Martin (first name) ;)


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on November 13, 2005, 04:34PM

Well done Ruud.

Your brainchild is Number One.

It will look so pretty with the Graphical Active Display as well. ;) ;)

Best wishes
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on November 16, 2005, 02:34PM

Resurrection Friends.

The #2 place in Leiden was not a surprise.. :o
As stated in other forums i played the second day with 1/3 of the time. And lost 3 out of 5. :-[
But a full strength at day 1 it was 4 out of 4. !! ;D

So winning may be important, but having fun and close games are perhaps the most important goals... ;)

Resurrection Regard....
Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on November 23, 2005, 03:08PM

Resurrection Friends :

2.06 :
- Clear board function
- Show Game function (to read the game back from save game). Contains moves and
evaluation value.
- Keep move display function. With this you can set time that move info will be
displayed to 5 or 10 seconds. Or to next move, this means that the info will
remain until the computers move has been performed by the operator.
- New game now operates properly, 2.05 had a bug concerning this matter. You can
even switch engines (with auto newgame) without restarting.

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on November 23, 2005, 03:27PM

Excellent Ruud. Very worthwhile improvements. I shall look forward to playing with the Show Game function in particular. This and the Keep Move Display will help in following and understanding games.

Resurrection UK now has a smart Munchen board bought especially for it. I shall install Resurrection in its new home when it can be joined by the Graphical Display Module. That won't be long, will it? ???

Best regards
Mike ;D


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Title: 2.06 Released and sent
Post by: Phoenix Chess on November 27, 2005, 12:15PM

Guys,

2.06 has been sent to all owners. However. AOL refuses for some reason my email address. Therefore i cannot reacht the owners with an AOL account.

Mike, Christian and Rainer, Please sent me an non AOL address..

Ruud


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Title: Re:2.06 Released and sent
Post by: Mike Watters on November 28, 2005, 02:09AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg4651 date=1133122500]
Guys,

2.06 has been sent to all owners. However. AOL refuses for some reason my email address. Therefore i cannot reacht the owners with an AOL account.

Mike, Christian and Rainer, Please sent me an non AOL address..

Ruud
[/quote]Ruud

2.06 has fought its way through the AOL maximum security barrier and has arrived safely, twice. ;)

I have told AOL never, ever to refuse your emails again. It will make no difference. :(

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:2.06 Released and sent
Post by: Endspielgott on November 28, 2005, 08:32AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg4651 date=1133122500]
Guys,

2.06 has been sent to all owners. However. AOL refuses for some reason my email address. Therefore i cannot reacht the owners with an AOL account.

Mike, Christian and Rainer, Please sent me an non AOL address..

Ruud
[/quote]

Ruud,

I received the update6 vial AOL without problems like Mike did.


Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on December 19, 2005, 10:59AM

To all chess computer friends, i wish you a merry Christmas and a fantastic new chess year...

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on December 19, 2005, 11:08PM

Merry Christmas and happy new year to you too, Ruud !

thanks for what you did for the chess computers community... and also for what you will do this year (I already have started to spare for my next module...)

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on December 20, 2005, 12:40AM

Ruud

Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year to you too.

You have made 2005 a memorable year for chess computer enthusiasts. My sincere thanks. I was hoping that Father Christmas was going to bring me a Graphic Display Module, but I guess that would have been too much for one year. :( Next Spring perhaps? :)

All the very best
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on December 20, 2005, 08:20PM

Hi Ruud!

Any chances we may see a Resurrection Jr in 2006? ::)
Maybe a simple module with just the CPU+keypad+display so we can use a regular board to play with? ;)

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Martin on December 21, 2005, 02:12PM

Hi Ruud,

thank you for the nice X-mas card! :D Merry Christmas, celebrate the Holiday Season and a great year 2006 to you and to all in this forum! :)

Best,
Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on December 22, 2005, 01:04PM

Mike,

Things are delayed...
Has to do with taking some time off and because i am in my final year of college...

But to quote Arnold.

I'll be back..

Ruud

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg4823 date=1135068007]
Ruud

Happy Christmas and a prosperous New Year to you too.

You have made 2005 a memorable year for chess computer enthusiasts. My sincere thanks. I was hoping that Father Christmas was going to bring me a Graphic Display Module, but I guess that would have been too much for one year. :( Next Spring perhaps? :)

All the very best
Mike
[/quote]


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Title: Happy New Year
Post by: Phoenix Chess on January 1, 2006, 02:01AM

Guys,

Happy new Year. I hope it will be a Rybka Resurrected year. ;D

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on February 1, 2006, 01:42PM

Hi All

Yesterday I had the chance to try out Resurrection Fruit 2005 against a new acquistion, a Bavaria, with 68030 London modules aboard. The game was an interesting one.

Coming out of the opening London is a pawn up with no obvious problems providing it can get it's king out of the centre. Fruit never lets this happen. This photo/coffee break is perhaps the critical position, Fruit has advanced the h pawn, forcing the knight to e2 and fixing the king in the centre for the next few moves.



White has taken the d pawn with the queen thereby inviting black's queen to join the attack -



Going after the king Fruit leaves a bishop en prise for 10 moves. I am not sure a human player would have been able to do that?

[Event "Game in 30 Minutes"]
[Site "Milton Keynes"]
[Date "2006.01.31"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Bavaria Genius 68030 London"]
[Black "Resurrection Fruit 2005"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "E42"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. e3 c5 5.
Nge2 b6 6. a3 Ba5 7. Ng3 Bb7 8. Rb1 Qe7 9. Ra1 O-O 10. Bd2 Na6 11. f3 Rac8 12.
Nb5 Bxd2+ 13. Qxd2 Nc7 14. Nxa7 Ra8 15. Nb5 Nxb5 16. cxb5 h5 17. e4 h4 18. Ne2
d5 19. e5 Nd7 20. Rc1 cxd4 21. Qxd4 Qg5 22. f4 Qg6 23. Rc7 Nc5 24. b4 Qb1+ 25.
Kf2 Ne4+ 26. Kg1 Rxa3 27. Rc1 Qb3 28. Rc7 Ra1 29. Nc1 Qa4 30. f5 exf5 31. e6
Qa3 32. e7 Re8 33. Nd3 Nd2 34. Kf2 Ra2 35. Ke1 Nc4 36. Be2 Nd6 37. Nc1 Rxe2+
38. Nxe2 Nxb5 39. Qxb6 Nxc7 40. Qxc7 Qxb4+ 41. Kf2 Rxe7 42. Qb8+ Kh7 43. Re1 h3
44. Qg3 hxg2 45. Qxg2 Ba6 46. Qg3 d4 47. Qh3+ Kg8 48. Qg2 Qb6 49. Qa8+ Kh7 50.
Qd5 d3+ 51. Nd4 Qb2+ 52. Kg3 f4+ 53. Kg4 Rxe1 54. Nf3 Bc8+ 55. Kxf4 Qc1+ 56.
Kg3 Qc7+ 57. Kg2 Re2+ 58. Kh1 Qc1+ 59. Ng1 d2 60. Qd3+ g6 61. Qh3+ Kg7 62. Qf3
d1=Q 63. Qg3 Bb7+ 64. Qg2 Bxg2# 0-1

So Fruit 2005 gives the previous Mephisto champ a good hiding.

No further development on the Resurrection front at the moment. Ruud, as he said below, is going through his final year at college (at his age ??? ). I just hope that he p(oops!)es his exams first time around. :(

Regards to all
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Chris on February 1, 2006, 02:21PM

Hi Mike :)

Congratulations on your new acquisition! - Thanks for this report. Other than complimenting you on the game and lovely photo, I have one request....

Please remove the full cup of coffee from the vicinity of all that lovely wood! :o

'Nervous' regards


Chris


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Title: Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Phoenix Chess on February 2, 2006, 12:24AM

Resurrection owners,

As indicated, the Resurrection project is temporarily on Hold. This has solely to do with the fact that i am in my last year of high school. So Resurrection development will be started again third quarter of 2006 ;D

Furthermore i have a meeting with the guys from Saitek on the 22nd of februar. Hopefully we can work something out because at this time i have a list of people who are dying to acquire a Resurrection Set ;)

It is a bit exciting though, because it looks like the little mice visiting the cat's lair. And it is difficult too, because what should i reveal, and what should i keep to myself ???

I will keep you informed...

PS to Ismenio, my account is working again !!

Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Robert Weck on February 2, 2006, 07:44AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5141 date=1138868647]
It is a bit exciting though, because it looks like the little mice visiting the cat's lair.
[/quote]
As i already wrote in Kurt's forum:

Is anybody here, who has ever met Ruud in real life, who can imagine Ruud as a mouse?

;D ;D


Robert

P.S.: Maybe as a "mighty mouse"?...


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Title: Re:Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Ismenio on February 2, 2006, 09:40AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5141 date=1138868647]
Resurrection owners,

As indicated, the Resurrection project is temporarily on Hold. This has solely to do with the fact that i am in my last year of high school. So Resurrection development will be started again third quarter of 2006 ;D

Furthermore i have a meeting with the guys from Saitek on the 22nd of februar. Hopefully we can work something out because at this time i have a list of people who are dying to acquire a Resurrection Set ;)

It is a bit exciting though, because it looks like the little mice visiting the cat's lair. And it is difficult too, because what should i reveal, and what should i keep to myself ???

I will keep you informed...

PS to Ismenio, my account is working again !!

Ruud Martin
[/quote]

Great news Ruud! I wish you all the best!
Really, they should realize that your module could be the best thing that ever happened to them. It could mean a revival for their chess computer division ;)

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on February 2, 2006, 01:17PM

Hi All

Ruud fears falling into the trap of the Saitek Cat. :o



but this is how the meeting will really go.

Here we see Ruud explaining the magic art of chess computer innovation. Something that the Saitek Cat has long since forgotten.



Will Jerry, sorry Ruud, convince The Cat that there is more to chess computers than churning out the same dull plastic filled with last century's programs?

The answer?

See the next installment folks, end of Feb.

Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Ismenio on February 3, 2006, 10:43AM

This is certainly of the best cartoons I've seen in a long time ;D
Can't wait for the next installment!

8)

Ismenio


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Title: Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Phoenix Chess on March 3, 2006, 05:32AM

Guys,

I have had a constructive meeting with Saitek.

We have discussed the possibility of using the Resurrection concept and launch
it as a high end module. Furthermore we have discussed some kind of cooperation
of me giving advices on their current Exclusive development.

If these two items will not be the case i have to give insight (and i have
already done this) on the interface with the exclusive board proving that my
concept will not pose any guarantee problems with their boards. If this is the
case Saitek will probably give me some more room to sell some extra modules.
Saitek has not yet given a reason why this limit should exist other than the
gaurantee thing with the board. So this will be something for Saitek to give
good reasons...

They will get back on me in the next month, after discussing it in their regular
sales/development meetings.

They even (again) asked to leave a module. But at this time i did not leave one,
maybe next time...

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Chris on March 3, 2006, 05:57AM

Hi Ruud :)

Many thanks for this update.

This sounds promising 8)

Great news, if you are able to make some further modules as a minimum. I would certainly want to add my name onto any waiting list! (and would buy a board just to put it in!) :)

Best wishes


Chris


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Title: Re:Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Endspielgott on March 3, 2006, 06:09AM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5516 date=1141392741]

Furthermore we have discussed some kind of cooperation
of me giving advices on their current Exclusive development.
Ruud


[/quote]

Hey Ruud,

what does this mean...Exclusive development? Are they going to change somthing with this board?

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on March 3, 2006, 06:40AM

Ruud

I also thank you for the update. It sounds like a constructive meeting. The hobby sure needs the boost that adoption of your ideas by Saitek would give.

If you could make more modules and satisfy the frustrated demand for Resurrection OR continue development of the Graphic Display Module, PC link, bluetooth etc making 23 people very happy, which would you do? :)

Mighty mouse regards
Mike


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on March 3, 2006, 07:39AM

Mike

Surely Both, but as stated, my school is taking up to much time at this moment.. ;)

Greetings,
Ruud

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5524 date=1141396818]
Ruud

I also thank you for the update. It sounds like a constructive meeting. The hobby sure needs the boost that adoption of your ideas by Saitek would give.

If you could make more modules and satisfy the frustrated demand for Resurrection OR continue development of the Graphic Display Module, PC link, bluetooth etc making 23 people very happy, which would you do? :)

Mighty mouse regards
Mike
[/quote]


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Title: Re:Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Phoenix Chess on March 3, 2006, 07:41AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5521 date=1141394987]
[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5516 date=1141392741]

Furthermore we have discussed some kind of cooperation
of me giving advices on their current Exclusive development.
Ruud


[/quote]

Hey Ruud,

what does this mean...Exclusive development? Are they going to change somthing with this board?

Christian
[/quote]

Christian

Well i do not know if they are working on something, but they should be ;)

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on March 3, 2006, 07:42AM

[quote author=Chris link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5518 date=1141394229]
Hi Ruud :)

Many thanks for this update.

This sounds promising 8)

Great news, if you are able to make some further modules as a minimum. I would certainly want to add my name onto any waiting list! (and would buy a board just to put it in!) :)

Best wishes


Chris


[/quote]

Chris,

Please send an email towards ruud.martin@wanadoo.nl with details. If you were not already on the list ;)

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection & Saitek
Post by: Stefan Ottow on March 3, 2006, 12:33PM

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg5516 date=1141392741]
Guys,

I have had a constructive meeting with Saitek.

We have discussed the possibility of using the Resurrection concept and launch
it as a high end module. Furthermore we have discussed some kind of cooperation
of me giving advices on their current Exclusive development.

If these two items will not be the case i have to give insight (and i have
already done this) on the interface with the exclusive board proving that my
concept will not pose any guarantee problems with their boards. If this is the
case Saitek will probably give me some more room to sell some extra modules.
Saitek has not yet given a reason why this limit should exist other than the
gaurantee thing with the board. So this will be something for Saitek to give
good reasons...

They will get back on me in the next month, after discussing it in their regular
sales/development meetings.

They even (again) asked to leave a module. But at this time i did not leave one,
maybe next time...

Ruud


[/quote]

Ruud,

this sounds fair to me at least. And if the warranty problem is their only concern, well, I guess there is no concern. At least my machine is now running since quite a while in and Exclusive board and a Modular board without any issues. What do they need as a proof? A 10 year in the field statistics ;)?

best regards
Stefan


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on March 12, 2006, 03:16AM

Hi All

Tom Mirbach is offering his Resurrection Module set in a Modular Board with Leather Case on Kurt's Forum today.

Offers over 999 Euros invited (if my limited understanding of German is correct?)

Tom has module set 19.

Here is a list of who has Resurrection modules :-

001 Steve Blincoe
002 Martin Slowik
003 Holger Tacka
004 Michael Völschow
005 Robert Weck
006 Wiktor Rawik
007 Stefan Ottow
008 Martin Schmidmaier
009 Karsten Bauermeister
010 Michael Watters
011 Claus Brauner
012 Christian Marquardt
013 Christian Müller
014 Henryk Krongraf
015 Julius Potapczuk
016 Bernd Baldenbach
017 Stephan Schebitz
018 (Keijo Tanskanen) Ruud -> Steve Blincoe
019 Tom Mirbach
020 Bernhard Lederwasch
021 Hans van Mierlo
022 Rob van Son
023 Hein Veldhuis
024 Louis van Bever
025 Ruud Martin

All the best
Mike


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Title: Resurrection Modul, another 25 pieces.
Post by: Phoenix Chess on April 1, 2006, 11:07AM

Chessfriends,

I am investigating the possibility for release of an extra set of Resurrection Modules. Those interested can sent me an email at ruud.martin@wanadoo.nl.

Greetings from Phoenix Chess Systems
Ruud Martin


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Phoenix Chess on June 5, 2006, 12:14PM

Chess Computer Friends,

There are still modules available from the second 25 pieces emmission. Interested ?

Please contact me at ruud.martin@wanadoo.nl

Ruud Martin


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Title: Resurrection reaches 2500+ ELO !
Post by: Phoenix Chess on July 21, 2006, 12:59AM

Friends,

The collegues in germany have put Resurrection at #1 on their active list. It seems that Resurrection has breached the 2500 ELO level with 20 points ;D.

Off course this is a good thing, because this was one of my targets on building Resurrection.

To al believers in this project i want to express my thanks...

Ruud Martin

http://www.schachcomputer.info/html/aktivschach_elo_liste.html


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: alainza on July 21, 2006, 02:57AM

Congratulations Ruud !

I'd like to buy one but it is very difficult to explain to my wife that I need a 2500 Elo / 1300+ Euros module when my last elo (which in addition was over estimated) was 1740 :-[

Best regards,

Alain


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on July 21, 2006, 06:55PM

That is excellent news Ruud.

Hein tells me that Resurrection is to have a strong representation at Tilburg. Resurrection Fruit, Toga and Ruffian are all entered.

For others information this is the latest entry list from the CSVN Website - http://www.csvnsupplementsite.nl/


1.Rob van Son: Resurrection Fruit - Maurice Peek (Elo 2375)

2.Hein Veldhuis:Resurrection Toga - Herman Grooten (2362)

3.Louis van Bever:Tasc R30 - Frank Wuts (2305)

4.Hans van Mierlo:TM London 36 MHz - Cor van Dongen (2303)

5.Ruud Martin: Resurrection Ruffian - Bianca Muhren (2295)

6.Jan Krabbenbos: Fidelity V11 72 MHz - Cesar Becx (2285)

7.Ries van Leeuwen:Mephisto Berlin Pro 68020 - Remco van der Burght (2231)

8.Luuk Hofman: Mephisto Risc II - Frans Konings (2224)

9.Peter Schimmelpennink:Mephisto Atlanta - Petra Schuurman (2219)

10.Walther Kappelhof: Tasc R30 2.2 - ? (?)

Graphic Displayless Regards :(
Mike
10 of ?

PS - Ruud please no experimentation with the time settings. ;D


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Endspielgott on July 21, 2006, 07:00PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg6603 date=1153533328]


Graphic Displayless Regards :(
Mike
10 of ?

[/quote]

Yes me too no graphical display ;D Thankgod i am not the only one 8)


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Title: Resurrection & real graphics display
Post by: Phoenix Chess on July 26, 2006, 12:06AM

Mike, Christian,

No graphics display for you guys ?

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection & real graphics display
Post by: Robert Weck on July 26, 2006, 04:13AM

Hello Ruud,
[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg6631 date=1153897597]
Mike, Christian,

No graphics display for you guys ?

Ruud
[/quote]
You mean the display module, that you have shown in Kaufbeuren last year?

If it is ready, than i absolutely want one! (as i mailed you, this is more important for me than a second Resurrection set!)

Will you take them to Kaufbeuren? Would save postage...


best regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on July 26, 2006, 04:32AM

Ruud

You are teasing us. ;)

You know that I would walk to Kaufbeuren for my graphic display module if they were to appear there first.

Please tell me they are nearly ready? :-\

Anticipating regards
Mike
10 of 37?


Well walk from somewhere close by, anyway.


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Title: Re:Resurrection & real graphics display
Post by: Endspielgott on July 26, 2006, 04:57AM

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg6632 date=1153912386]
Hello Ruud,
[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg6631 date=1153897597]
Mike, Christian,

No graphics display for you guys ?

Ruud
[/quote]
You mean the display module, that you have shown in Kaufbeuren last year?

If it is ready, than i absolutely want one! (as i mailed you, this is more important for me than a second Resurrection set!)

Will you take them to Kaufbeuren? Would save postage...


best regards,
Robert

[/quote]

Robert,

when does the tournament in Kaufbeuren take place? Maybe I'll step in for a day...it is not this far from Munich?

Christian


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Title: Re:Resurrection & real graphics display
Post by: Robert Weck on July 26, 2006, 08:19AM

Hi Christian,
[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg6635 date=1153915042]
when does the tournament in Kaufbeuren take place?
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From 21.10. - 22.10. Many will arrive on Friday (maybe a Blitz-tournament will be held), but the official tournament starts Saturday noon.
[quote]
Maybe I'll step in for a day...it is not this far from Munich?
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Good idea! From Munich only about 90 km...


Robert


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Title: Resurrection Major Update for 2007
Post by: Phoenix Chess on October 22, 2006, 04:36PM

Resurrection friends,

The Revelation has arrived but this does not mean that the Resurrection development will be stopped. On the contrary, the bluetooth and graphics LCD will be available beginning of 2007 and will be the same as in the revelation.

The Resurrection will not be available with the Revelation 500 Mhz Xscale processor. Only the 203 Mhz StrongArm will be available.

Ruud


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Title: Re:Resurrection Major Update for 2007
Post by: Robert Weck on October 23, 2006, 01:59AM

Hello Ruud,


it looks, that the 'Hollanders' arrived home savely?

[quote author=Phoenix Chess link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg7294 date=1161560163]
The Revelation has arrived but this does not mean that the Resurrection development will be stopped. On the contrary, the bluetooth and graphics LCD will be available beginning of 2007 and will be the same as in the revelation.
[/quote]
Even Bluetooth for Resurrection? Aren't there hardware modifications neccessary for it? Or is Bluetooth already built in, but not enabled yet?

The news are becoming better and better! ;D


excited regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Sargon on October 23, 2006, 03:33AM

Hello Robert,

Yes we are home and safe ;D
So far as i know ,Bleutooth is already build in,and already working.But i am not 100% sure ;)
We haved stoped many times on the way back for toilets, because i had to go much..from all the champain i have drunk of mine great victory ;)in Kaufbeuren .
I am sure mine friend Ruud will clear this matter in no time.

Testing Team Revalation Regards :P ,Hans


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Robert Weck on October 23, 2006, 04:07AM

[quote author=Sargon link=board=1;threadid=271;start=0#msg7297 date=1161599622]
Hello Robert,

Yes we are home and safe ;D
[/quote]
good to hear!
[quote]
We haved stoped many times on the way back for toilets, because i had to go much..from all the champain i have drunk of mine great victory ;)in Kaufbeuren .
[/quote]
Congratulations again!

If Ruud had won the last match in his group, it would have been a Dutch triumph all over!

But that would have been too much! ;)

I am sure, that Ruud's R30 lost to the V9, because Franz sat too close to it! ;D

(to make it clear to others: over the last years, every machine that Franz operates in this tournament, gets bad results; he must have a bad aura! ;D )

But he is a very nice guy (like all other participants too!) and nobody wants to miss him!

An exciting tournament until the very last matches!

And very much fun!! ;D


all the best,
Robert


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Title: Re:Resurrection
Post by: Mike Watters on October 23, 2006, 02:42PM

Ruud

It is good to hear that the Resurrection project will continue with bluetooth and the Graphics LCD. I am looking forward to it.

All the best
Mike


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