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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by:  on February 24, 2005, 02:03AM
	

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Title: .. what happend to ..
Post by: 'hard on February 24, 2005, 02:03AM

Hi folks,

yes what happend in the states? Did you - dedicated chess computer lovers - discover the internet? ;-) Some weeks ago Stevens fantastic photoalbum and now this famous site! Really great job boys!!

BTW, I love your video clips of the selfmoving machines, but what spoke against a solid stand for the camera? Netherless many many thanks for sharing your information and pictures with us.

Greetings and best wishes from Bavaria,
Bernhard


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: Ismenio on February 24, 2005, 06:08AM

Hi Bernhard and welcome! We're still playing around with the format of the forum and the site for now but we're just trying to share the enthusiasm, information and see if we can get new ones to join the hobby!

My idea is not to compete with other sites or boards but to add to them. I think the more places we have, distributing information about these wonderful computers the better. And thanks for the compliment! We should have some interesting developments within the next couple of weeks!

Question for you: any idea about the popularity of the hobby there and a guess on the number of collectors in Bavaria?

Best Regards,

Ismenio

PS: I agree about the video comment. One of the updates I'm planing for later on is to remake those videos


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: Mike Watters on February 24, 2005, 08:50AM

Hallo Bernard

Chess computer enthusiasts in the USA and UK look in on Kurt Kispert's site frequently. It is great to have a website like that to encourage the hobby, and there are one or two nice sites in Germany also.

But it is time that there was a good English language website.

viele Grüsse von England
Mike


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: 'hard on February 24, 2005, 09:18AM

Hi Ismenio and Mike,

thanks for your warm welcome. Indeed it was hightime for this English language website.
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=35;start=0#msg203 date=1109254113]
Question for you: any idea about the popularity of the hobby there and a guess on the number of collectors in Bavaria?
[/quote]

I'm unsure about your background knowledge of Germany. So please don't hit me, if I tell you things you still know. OK, here we go ..

Bavaria is a part of Germany (in the south, near to the alps and Austria where Kurt lives). The company Hegener&Glaser, which produced the Mephisto chess computers, was hosted in the capital Munich. So _we_ had in our mind to be the center of the chess comuter universe! ;-) But in fact the real center lies in the Netherlands. Or NY, or Miami, or London, or Hongkong ...

Since some years, the chess computer tournament D.A.CH, is done in a small bavarian city named Kaufbeuren. Robert and me (we both live in Regensburg) participated on this tournament. Last time in 2004, my Risc II lost in the last round very sadly against Ruud Martins Resurrection. From which you published some nice pictures. Maybe one of them is done from me (it's absolute OK to use it). So you see the chess computer (collecting) populatity is in good shape in Bavaria. 8)

You are very welcome to take a look at my report of the D.A.CH 204 tournament and the Resurrection at http://www.schachcomputer.info/forum/showthread.php?t=137&highlight=resurrection .But excuse me, that it is all written in german.

Best regards,
Bernhard


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: Ismenio on February 24, 2005, 09:40AM

Hi Bernhard,

Thank you for the clarification and for the enlightenment. I really appreciated that and that was actually pretty cool stuff! I loved to hear about your RISC project! If it's OK with you, I'd like to get information from you on that and I can publish it in a page like the one I did with Ruud's unit!

One thing I'm doing is researching the companies and their history so anything you have about Mephisto or any other chess computer manufacturer would be awesome!

Thanks again for joining us!

All the best,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: 'hard on February 24, 2005, 10:33AM

Hi Ismenio,
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=35;start=0#msg209 date=1109266854]
I loved to hear about your RISC project! If it's OK with you, I'd like to get information from you on that and I can publish it in a page like the one I did with Ruud's unit!
[/quote]

.. stop, you missunderstood me! I have no RISC project running. Just reported of the game at D.A.CH 2004 between my "Mephisto RISC II chess computer" (program by Ed Schroeder) and the Resurrection. I am just a "piecemover". Sorry for my poor English.

Funny regard,
Bernhard


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: Mike Watters on February 24, 2005, 01:23PM

Hi Bernhard

I have been to Munich many years ago but not to your own city Regensburg. Our family was friends with the tuba player in the Munich Orchestra and his family. I still remember the long lines of wurst hanging from the ceiling and the huge bierkeller we went to.

Do you think that Resurrection was lucky to win at Kaufbeuren? I have read your link and it is an amazing endgame position. I think you say that Resurrection was the strongest schachcomputer but very lucky (?) to win that game, which it had to, to win the tournament.

I am signed up for Resurrection so any information you have is especially of interest to me.

Mike


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: Ismenio on February 24, 2005, 02:38PM

I also want more details about that "luck" feature ;)
And any interesting stories you may have from the match. How many people usually attend them?

Ismenio

PS: Your English was perfect! I just read your post too quickly!


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: 'hard on February 25, 2005, 07:37AM

Hi,

I hope Mike had a good time in Munich. Regensburg is a little bit sleepy, because of its long (2000 years) history.

Indeed Resurrections win against the RISC II was lucky. But you know that in one game, or in a swiss system tournament, everthing can happen. My impression, after watching its games live against the others, was that the best machine had won the tournament! I would give him a "feeled rating" of 100 Elo points above the R30.

My friend Robert (he participated with his superfast Elite V11, 68060 72MHz) is also on Ruuds ordering list. He nearly can't await Resurrections arrival. When he gets it, I can tell you more. A fascinating option is the possibility to upload new engines in the flash memory and the compatibility of the StrongARM cpu to the old ARM2. The Ruffian engine is undoubtable strong, but others [dreamin ON] even a R30 running at 200MHz or HIARCS [dreaming OFF] could be possible in the future. I hope Ruud has enough commercial succes, that his Resurrection project is interesting for programmers like Johann de Koning & co.

Best regards,
Bernhard


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: Ismenio on February 25, 2005, 07:26PM

Hi Bernhard,

Question for you. Can you explain the legal disclaimer we've seen recently in just about every item listed on eBay from Germany? It seems to be something related to personal warranty!? I don't recall seeing that in the past.

Just curious.

Thanks,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:.. what happend to ..
Post by: 'hard on February 25, 2005, 10:48PM

Hi Ismenio,

the european law has changed from 2003 to 2004. _Everybody_ who is selling online has to give 1 year of warrenty and you can send back the item within some days without giving any reason. The idea behind was to lift up the trusting in online business.

But the backside of the coin was, that even on private eBay auctions witch used stuff, a customer could point out his rights. So nearly every private seller copied some lines of a legal disclaimer. It means to accept no warrenty and no return. A professional seller can't do this.

Best regards,
Bernhard



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