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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Dick Schneiders on February 24, 2005, 11:49AM
	

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Title: How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on February 24, 2005, 11:49AM

I know that Fidelity made both a 3 and 4 MHz Excellence, model numbers 6080 and 6082. Is there any way to tell them apart?

I just received an Excellence, bought on eBay for $5.50, and the box says model EP12, and there is no Fidelity sticker on the back of the machine. The only sticker on the back is one from the store that sold the computer originally. It is Competence Ltd. located in Wallingford, Oxfordshire - sounds like your side of the pond, Mike. :-)

On the front of the computer, at the very lowest right hand corner, is a short 4 color band (red, yellow, blue, green) cutting across the corner. This band is not shown on the pictures on the box. Probably just some decoration put there by the store.

The Excellence was described by the seller as having a lot of heavy worn spots on every square and over the buttons, and he wasn't even certain the computer worked properly, as he had no manual. He did say that it lit up and would make sounds. Anyway, the worn spots turned out to simply be *heavy* dirt that cleaned off with some solvent and rubbing. Now the computer looks like new - not bad for $5.50. A lot less than I paid for some of the others I bought recently. :-O

Thanks for any help,

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 24, 2005, 01:01PM

I have no idea how to tell a 3MHz from a 4MHz.

My Excellence has nothing on the machine, box or in the manual to say what speed the chip is running at. What Steve has been saying these past weeks leads be to believe that the box, machine or both would indicate if this is the upgraded 4MHz version. So I (oops!)ume I have the usual 3MHz.

Dick, one thing is for sure I have the Competence sticker as well. :)

Competence sold a lot of chess computers in the 1980s. Founded by a very nice guy called Terry Knight. He sold me my first chess computer and was in the forefront of making chess computers popular in the UK. Well as popular as they ever were. He used to run testing sessions in London of the early machines eg. GGM Morphy, Scisys Mk V, Fidelity Sensory Champion etc. He brought over Ossi Weiner from Munich to one of the sessions to test out the brand new Mephisto II in January 1982. I seem to remember it beat my Mark V which I had just spent my hard earned cash on, which did not please me that much. >:(

I see no date code on my Excellence :(


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on February 24, 2005, 01:13PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=37;start=0#msg215 date=1109278861]
I have no idea how to tell a 3MHz from a 4MHz.

My Excellence has nothing on the machine, box or in the manual to say what speed the chip is running at. What Steve has been saying these past weeks leads be to believe that the box, machine or both would indicate if this is the upgraded 4MHz version. So I (oops!)ume I have the usual 3MHz.

Dick, one thing is for sure I have the Competence sticker as well. :)

Competence sold a lot of chess computers in the 1980s. Founded by a very nice guy called Terry Knight. He sold me my first chess computer and was in the forefront of making chess computers popular in the UK. Well as popular as they ever were. He used to run testing sessions in London of the early machines eg. GGM Morphy, Scisys Mk V, Fidelity Sensory Champion etc. He brought over Ossi Weiner from Munich to one of the sessions to test out the brand new Mephisto II in January 1982. I seem to remember it beat my Mark V which I had just spent my hard earned cash on, which did not please me that much. >:(

I see no date code on my Excellence :(
[/quote]

Small world - that means our Excellences are related. ;)

Surely not the same Terry Knight of Terry Knight and the Pack? They were an obscure, one-hit wonder band in the 1960's, as I recall.

Thanks for the interesting story.

Dick


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 24, 2005, 01:35PM

Dick

My Excellence is Serialnumber 53124060. If you have the next number they're twins. :D

One thing is for sure you paid less for yours than I did. I have the four colour stripe as well. Kurts photo does not show this but I am sure I have seen it on other examples.

Mike


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Mike Watters on March 3, 2005, 12:30AM

There is now another Excellence on Ebay at a reasonable $25 Buy-It-Now price :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1182&item=5171588359&rd=1

Whilst there is only a picture of the box, it could be a mint machine.

A different version of the Excellence is the Voice Excellence. That speaks to you in one of four languages.
English, Spanish, German and French. One of those would sound good on the website Ismenio?

Linguistically challenged
Mike


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 3, 2005, 03:36AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=37;start=0#msg352 date=1109838655]
There is now another Excellence on Ebay at a reasonable $25 Buy-It-Now price :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1182&item=5171588359&rd=1

Whilst there is only a picture of the box, it could be a mint machine.

A different version of the Excellence is the Voice Excellence. That speaks to you in one of four languages.
English, Spanish, German and French. One of those would sound good on the website Ismenio?

Linguistically challenged
Mike
[/quote]

I saw that one, but decided I didn't need another one. Already beginning to run out of space for these things.

Would the voice Excellence be a decent way to improve on my German, from the few curse words I currently know? :D There is also one of these on eBay, but Ismenio has his sights set on it.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Mike Watters on March 3, 2005, 03:59AM

[quote]Would the voice Excellence be a decent way to improve on my German, from the few curse words I currently know? :D There is also one of these on eBay, but Ismenio has his sights set on it.

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

No Dick. Your German is just fine. If the voice is anything like the Elite A/S "......dishop to e5 (meaning d5).." you could get yourself into real trouble with your German.

Ismenio has put his marker down. Steve donated one which reached a huge price for charity:-
http://www.schachcomputer.at/tierb.htm
I guess this one will not even reach half of that price.

How is Sir Richard doing? The last I heard with 11 hours to go was that Mr Fossett was very worried.

Running out of fuel regards
Mike


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 3, 2005, 05:07AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=37;start=0#msg355 date=1109851195]
[quote]
How is Sir Richard doing? The last I heard with 11 hours to go was that Mr Fossett was very worried.

Running out of fuel regards
Mike

[/quote]

Sir Richard is doing fine, since he is on terra firma.

The plane and Mr. Fossett are near the west coast of the States, and now they think that they just might make it back here around noon or so, our time. The mysterious loss of fuel happened at the beginning of the flight, perhaps when filling up prior to launch, and so they think the plane was lighter and more efficient from the beginning. They have had some significant jet stream winds that have made up for most of the fuel loss. It still is "up in the air" so to speak, ;) but I plan on being at the landing strip, with thousands of my neighbors, waiting for it to arrive. I will have a chess computer on my lap, and a book in my hands, to wile away the time.

It certainly beats watching the wheat grow, or the cows chew their cuds.

Dick Schneiders[/quote]


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Title: Re:How do you tell a Fidelity 3 MHz Excellence from a 4 MHz?
Post by: Ismenio on March 3, 2005, 05:16AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=37;start=0#msg352 date=1109838655]
There is now another Excellence on Ebay at a reasonable $25 Buy-It-Now price :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1182&item=5171588359&rd=1

Whilst there is only a picture of the box, it could be a mint machine.

A different version of the Excellence is the Voice Excellence. That speaks to you in one of four languages.
English, Spanish, German and French. One of those would sound good on the website Ismenio?

Linguistically challenged
Mike
[/quote]

Man, how did I miss that one? I gotta visit this forum more often! ;D

Ismenio



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