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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Dick Schneiders on July 21, 2005, 11:15AM
	

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Title: Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on July 21, 2005, 11:15AM

This caught my eye, as the seller states the chess pieces are still connected together, but the picture shows them on the board. Then the wording of the auction ad had a description of the computer's strength in the manner that you use on your web site - "beginners and weak amateurs".

I checked your web site, and there it was. The very same picture.

Thought you might not have noticed this.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Overtom on July 21, 2005, 04:50PM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg2963 date=1121969750]
This caught my eye, as the seller states the chess pieces are still connected together, but the picture shows them on the board. Then the wording of the auction ad had a description of the computer's strength in the manner that you use on your web site - "beginners and weak amateurs".

I checked your web site, and there it was. The very same picture.

Thought you might not have noticed this.
Dick Schneiders
[/quote]
Thanks! Yes, Dick, I do see my descriptions and photos as well from time to time, and not only at eBay.

But I don't think I can do much about it or claim compensation because of infringement of copyright or anything like that. After all, lawyers don't come cheap :(

Which one is it this time? Maybe, the seller has no digital camera. Or he just likes my pics. I must admit there are a few that I like too ;)

By the way, today I added a Novag Zircon to the collection, which turned out to be quite strong. So far, it played three games against Galaxy. Result up to now: 1-2 in favour of Zircon. But it's not on the site yet since the sky was too overcast today to take serious pictures.

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on July 21, 2005, 05:02PM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg2966 date=1121989812]
[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg2963 date=1121969750]
This caught my eye, as the seller states the chess pieces are still connected together, but the picture shows them on the board. Then the wording of the auction ad had a description of the computer's strength in the manner that you use on your web site - "beginners and weak amateurs".

I checked your web site, and there it was. The very same picture.

Thought you might not have noticed this.
Dick Schneiders
[/quote]
Thanks! Yes, Dick, I do see my descriptions and photos as well from time to time, and not only at eBay.

But I don't think I can do much about it or claim compensation because of infringement of copyright or anything like that. After all, lawyers don't come cheap :(

Which one is it this time? Maybe, the seller has no digital camera. Or he just likes my pics. I must admit there are a few that I like too ;)


Best regards,

tom
[/quote]

Oops, sorry Tom. I forgot to include the link to the eBay auction. The auction has closed now, but I think the link will still work. It was the Tandy Graduate, and it didn't get a single bid! I am sure that your picture wasn't the cause of this. ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5221082021&category=2541&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Robert Weck on July 22, 2005, 12:39AM

Hello Tom,
[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg2966 date=1121989812]
By the way, today I added a Novag Zircon to the collection, which turned out to be quite strong. So far, it played three games against Galaxy. Result up to now: 1-2 in favour of Zircon. [/quote]

Yes, the Zircon is quite strong; I have a Jade II, which should have the same program. In a match with a Mephisto Miami (GK2000-clone) it lost only with 9,5:10,5. I would estimate it at 1850-1880 ELO.


Robert


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Overtom on July 26, 2005, 05:16PM

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg2977 date=1122017946]
Hello Tom,
Yes, the Zircon is quite strong; I have a Jade II, which should have the same program. In a match with a Mephisto Miami (GK2000-clone) it lost only with 9,5:10,5. I would estimate it at 1850-1880 ELO.
Robert
[/quote]
This shows how exceptionally strong the Barracuda, Miami and Advanced Travel Chess are for such inexpensive machines. I tend to underestimate their playing strength just because they're so cheap.

By the way, today I received the Novag Sapphire II, a computer which almost looked like a box that you use to store nails or fishing-hooks. But don't they say "Appearances are deceptive"?



It turned out to be clearly stronger than the Miami, Advanced Travel Chess, etc. So far it played three games against the Advanced Travel Chess. And at no moment was it in any kind of danger. So I suppose it's just another league than the Barracuda, Miami and Advanced Travel Chess family.

By the way, the Sapphire has the kind of socket that looks as if you could plug a network cable into it. The manual suggests you can connect this to a computer. But I wonder if you need any kind of interface. And if so, is it hardware or software that one needs?

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: alainza on July 26, 2005, 09:33PM

Hi Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3021 date=1122423410]
By the way, the Sapphire has the kind of socket that looks as if you could plug a network cable into it. The manual suggests you can connect this to a computer. But I wonder if you need any kind of interface. And if so, is it hardware or software that one needs?
[/quote]

it is a serial interface, with which you can connect the Sapphire to a Novag Universal Chessboard (wooden autoresponse board), a PC or the Novag Super Distributor (I don't have one and don't really know what it is for).

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Endspielgott on July 27, 2005, 12:16AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3022 date=1122438813]
Hi Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3021 date=1122423410]
By the way, the Sapphire has the kind of socket that looks as if you could plug a network cable into it. The manual suggests you can connect this to a computer. But I wonder if you need any kind of interface. And if so, is it hardware or software that one needs?
[/quote]

it is a serial interface, with which you can connect the Sapphire to a Novag Universal Chessboard (wooden autoresponse board), a PC or the Novag Super Distributor (I don't have one and don't really know what it is for).

Best,
Alain

[/quote]

Alain,

You need the distributor as an interface between the Sapphire and several devices at a time. The distributor is simply a kind of hub. You can connect Sapphire, UCB, TV Interface and a PC all together.

Christian

P.S. I sold mine recently at ebay with my UCB, I am sure you have stored the auction in your database ;)


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Robert Weck on July 27, 2005, 12:19AM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3021 date=1122423410]
By the way, today I received the Novag Sapphire II, a computer which almost looked like a box that you use to store nails or fishing-hooks. But don't they say "Appearances are deceptive"?

It turned out to be clearly stronger than the Miami, Advanced Travel Chess, etc. So far it played three games against the Advanced Travel Chess. And at no moment was it in any kind of danger. So I suppose it's just another league than the Barracuda, Miami and Advanced Travel Chess family.
[/quote]
Yes, the Sapphire II is listed with 2112 SSDF-ELO. This are about 200 more than the Miami.

BTW: The Barracuda should be just between them (I would estimate it at 2000 ELO; it is slightly faster than the Centurion/Challenger which are rated with 1980 ELO)


Robert


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Overtom on July 27, 2005, 04:00AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3025 date=1122448563]
Alain,

You need the distributor as an interface between the Sapphire and several devices at a time. The distributor is simply a kind of hub. You can connect Sapphire, UCB, TV Interface and a PC all together.

Christian

P.S. I sold mine recently at ebay with my UCB, I am sure you have stored the auction in your database ;)
[/quote]
In that case, one may wonder what the PC will show you and which program on the PC can connect to the Sapphire.

I suppose it won't harm if I connect the two with a network or telephone cable ...

Regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Endspielgott on July 27, 2005, 04:43AM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3027 date=1122462046]

In that case, one may wonder what the PC will show you and which program on the PC can connect to the Sapphire.

I suppose it won't harm if I connect the two with a network or telephone cable ...

[/quote]

Tom,

the PC will show you the moves you made on the UCB. You can then print out your outstanding victories against the Sapphire ;D

If you do not need this marvellous feature, it is indeed sufficient to connect Sapphire and UCB with a cable...

All the best,

Christian


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Robert Weck on July 27, 2005, 06:39AM

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3028 date=1122464631]

In that case, one may wonder what the PC will show you and which program on the PC can connect to the Sapphire.
[/quote]
Hyperterminal? (haven't tried it yet!)
[quote]
the PC will show you the moves you made on the UCB. You can then print out your outstanding victories against the Sapphire ;D
[/quote]
And maybe it could show you the version of the sapphire-program? With the Star Sapphire and the Com2Com-Utility it did!

But how many times would you want to look after it? ;D


Robert


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Endspielgott on July 27, 2005, 11:59AM

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3031 date=1122471597]
[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3028 date=1122464631]

In that case, one may wonder what the PC will show you and which program on the PC can connect to the Sapphire.
[/quote]
Hyperterminal? (haven't tried it yet!)
[quote]
the PC will show you the moves you made on the UCB. You can then print out your outstanding victories against the Sapphire ;D
[/quote]
And maybe it could show you the version of the sapphire-program? With the Star Sapphire and the Com2Com-Utility it did!

But how many times would you want to look after it? ;D


Robert

[/quote]

Robert,

Hyperterminal is an idea...but I do not know if the Sapphire provides the correct protocol for this (I doubt it).

Concering the Version: Once is enough ;D

C.


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: alainza on July 27, 2005, 01:16PM

Hyperterminal is fine.

I have used it a lot to test dialog with the Sapphire, the Universal Chessboard and even the Super Expert C.

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Overtom on July 27, 2005, 05:30PM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3036 date=1122495367]
Hyperterminal is fine.
I have used it a lot to test dialog with the Sapphire, the Universal Chessboard and even the Super Expert C.
Best,
Alain
[/quote]
I connect Sapphire and a pc via a telephone cable and started Hyperterminal, but it's not clear what one should persuade the program to connect to - which did not stop me from continuing tests to find out how strong Sapphire really is.

Sapphire is known to be much stronger than Mephisto Advanced Travel Chess. But tonight I saw it outmanoeuvred by Frans Morsch's smart little program.

For those interested in David-Goliath situations, here's the game:

[Event "match NovSapph - MephATC"]
[Site "OVERTOM"]
[Date "2005.07.28"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Mephisto Advanced Travel Chess"]
[Black "Novag Sapphire II"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 e6 3. Nf3 a6 4. Qe2 Nc6 5. d3 Nd4 6. Qd1 d6 7. Nxd4 cxd4 8. Ne2 Qb6 9. g3 Bd7 10. Bg2 Nf6 11. O-O Rc8 12. c3 dxc3 13. bxc3 d5 14. Bg5 dxe4 15. Rb1 Qd6 16. dxe4 Qc7 17. Bxf6 gxf6 18. e5 Qxe5 19. Bxb7 Rc5 20. Bxa6 Ra5 21. Bc4 Bh6 22. Nd4 O-O 23. Rb7 Ba4 24. Qd3 f5 25. Rfb1 Qe4 26. Rc7 Qxd3 27. Bxd3 Rd8 28. Rbb7 Be8 29. Bc4 Re5 30. a4 Re1+ 31. Kg2 Bxa4 32. Rxf7 Rxd4 33. cxd4 Bc6+ 34. f3 Bxb7 35. Rxb7 Kf8 36. Rxh7 Bd2 37. h4 Ke8 38. h5 f4 39. g4 Bc3 40. d5 exd5 41. Bxd5 Re2+ 42. Kf1 Re1+ 43. Kf2 Rd1 44. Bc6+ Kf8 45. g5 Rd2+ 46. Kf1 Rd6 47. Rc7 Rd1+ 48. Kg2 Bd4 49. g6 Rg1+ 50. Kh3 Rg3+ 51. Kh2 Rg5 52. Rf7+ Kg8 53. Rh7 Kf8 54. Bd7 Bg1+ 55. Kh1 Bd4 56. Bg4 Be3 57. Kg2 Bd2 58. Kh3 Be3 59. Kh4 Re5 60. h6 Bf2+ 61. Kh3 [Black resigns]

By the way, on my site I describe Saitek Barracuda as a Frans Morsch program. I wonder if that's correct. Are there any experts who can shine their light on this?

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Tom, did you notice one of your pictures in an eBay auction?
Post by: Robert Weck on July 28, 2005, 04:12AM

Hi Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=375;start=0#msg3045 date=1122510611]
By the way, on my site I describe Saitek Barracuda as a Frans Morsch program. I wonder if that's correct. Are there any experts who can shine their light on this?
[/quote]

Yes, that's correct. It's the same as in the Centurion/Challenger but in the B. it is running with 12 instead of 10 MHz.


Robert



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