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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Ismenio on August  1, 2005, 05:36PM
	

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Title: Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: Ismenio on August 1, 2005, 05:36PM

I got a very interesting product that may interest some of you. No, it's not a new chess computer but keep reading!
As you know, I'm interested in chess+computer+electronic stuff. Put those words in any combination and you get my attention.

So it is with the ChessVision 8000 (http://www.chessvision8000.com) by Dan Kreider (dan@chessvision.info).

Though you can't play chess against it, it contains an impressive list of 2,832 games going back to the early 70s where you can watch Fischer vs. Sp(oops!)ky or some recent ones from 2004.

This is a nice little device that you can take with you just about anywhere and I can see how it can be very useful as a teaching tool.

This is what comes in the package:
- manual (includes the list of games)
- unit
- power adaptor
- video connector (cable)



As you can see here, the unit is quite small which is a great plus since it makes it easy to take with you on trips.



There are only 4 buttons to control the unit. There is no on/off switch. Something I wish they had added here.



Connecting the unit couldn't be simpler. Just plug in the power adaptor and the video cable and you're on!



The games start playing automatically. You get a list of the moves on the right, the full board with 2D pieces and basic details about the game.



One way I like to test computers, chess computers and other electronics is to see how much I can get done without having to go to the manual. Some products I can use right away without the need of instructions and that is the case with the Chess Vision 8000. If you have used a video game or even the buttons on your computer monitor to adjust things, you can use the Chess Vision 8000! Just use the menu key along with the random mode + toggle/pause to navigate and change the settings. You can select what game you want to see, the play back speed, etc.



Here's a close up of the bottom of the screen with the basic game info.



You won't have problems visualizing the game and recognizing the pieces.



I believe this is a product that should interest a lot of those who like electronic chess in general. I would very much like to see this become a successful commercial product and who knows, maybe some future versions will make use of some open source chess engines and with a joystick we could have a dedicated video chess game! I will be adding a link to their website on the next (overdue!) update to our site and also a page with this review.

I'm curious to hear what you guys thing of this. If there is some interest maybe we can get Dan to come here and talk to us about the product and answer some questions.

Thanks,

Ismenio



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Title: Re:Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: Robert Weck on August 2, 2005, 01:40AM

Hello Ismenio,
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=404;start=0#msg3098 date=1122943010]
I'm curious to hear what you guys thing of this. If there is some interest maybe we can get Dan to come here and talk to us about the product and answer some questions.
[/quote]

Sorry, but I see nothing that couldn't be done better with Chessbase, Fritz, Arena or Scid (the last two are even free and everyone of us has a PC to use them)

2.832 are much too few games; no engines to analyze or play aginst, no comments, you always need a TV set and so on...

It has less functionality than the first Chessbase versions (with them you could at least record games by yourself and add databases)

Sorry again, but it's hard for me to believe that this will become a commercial success...


Robert


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Title: Re:Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: steffen on August 2, 2005, 01:37PM

Yes, quite funny: A brandnew relict of the early 80´s.
Like some of you may already have noticed I purchased one ChessVision8000.
I had a very interesting contact with Dan and gave him some advice for improvements. So the actual offer from him might become pretty rare as it´s in my eyes something like a prototype.
I gave him many ideas of which he will use many.
In addition, I showed this product a friend of mine who´s a Grandmaster. He was very pleased by ChessVision, so that - if Dan and he will come to an agreementü (which is very close) - he will give a recommendation for it and endorse the ChessVision8000.

Best,
steffen


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Title: Re:Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: Dan on August 2, 2005, 05:31PM

Thanks for the comments, esp. to Ismenio for the nice pictures and description.

The idea is that being able to watch chess on TV may be desireable especially if it's a large screen in a place where you can sit back and relax (flip to it during
commercials, etc) or if you want to watch some games in a group and discuss the moves, or even set up a
permanent display. But I agree with Robert that it cannot substitute for the PC with all the great free software out there nowadays.

Dan


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Title: Re:Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: Mike Watters on August 3, 2005, 12:03AM

I am inclined to agree with Robert on this. Although I can see some uses for an improved product it is looking backwards to the 1980s and the days of Intelligent Chess, Intellivision, etc. In an age where TV and PCs are becoming more integrated surely to stand a chance such a product would need much of the functionality of Chessbase including an engine, plus the presentational possibilities of TV eg commentary on famous games, animation of possible lines, personalities etc. There would need to be some attractive advantage over PC programs.


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Title: Re:Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: steffen on August 8, 2005, 12:40AM

...yes, but I tell you:
From time to time (when the TV program again is sooo bad) I use my ChessVision8000 and analyze several games.

My friend Grandmaster Slavko Cicak also likes it just because there is NO chess engine behind so that he has to think himself how to proceed in the game and not only read what the computer program shows him. That is what HE likes (and the big letters shown on the TV screen).

Best,
steffen


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Title: Re:Review: ChessVision 8000 (new product)
Post by: Ismenio on August 8, 2005, 09:56AM

I also agree with all the comments but I still think the ChessVision is unique in some aspects. For one thing, you obviously need a computer in order to run the programs with analysis and so on. The CV is one unit with all in it. You do have dedicated chess computers with a library of games stored in them but they also don't have comments (that I know of) and the number of games is limited when compared to the CV.

Being very portable the fact that you can you can hook it up to any TV makes it an intersting product for me.

Ismenio



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