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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Ismenio on August 12, 2005, 06:38AM
	

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Title: Would you have upgraded a CC1 to CC3 back then?
Post by: Ismenio on August 12, 2005, 06:38AM

This is an unscientific pool and not intended to prove anything! Iím just curious to have a feeling for what we think about that upgrade for the CC1 not today but back in the 70s! ;D

Incidentally, would anyone estimate how much that would cost in todayís economy?
The info from the Chess Museum says that the CC1 cost $200 back then and the upgrade as on the manual says $75.

Unfortunately, only registered members can vote. Votes are confidential, so feel free to participate! Of course, comments are appreciated! :)

My personal feelings: I would probably have gone for the upgrade! Knowing me, I would even cut back on a lot of things and sell other stuff I have to get that upgrade. I would also have regretted that greatly today! :)

Best!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Would you have upgraded a CC1 to CC3 back then?
Post by: Mike Watters on August 12, 2005, 06:57AM

Ismenio

I may have been tempted to upgrade but I would have been too wary of throwing good money after bad.

Besides, over 25 years of owning chess computers, many of which could have been upgraded, I can only think offhand of one which I had upgraded. That was my old favourite, the Fidelity Elite which got upgraded from a Budapest program to a Glasgow. Even then it was sent back because an overheating fault had to be corrected and it was upgraded at the same time.

Mike


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Title: Re:Would you have upgraded a CC1 to CC3 back then?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on August 12, 2005, 07:05AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=420;start=0#msg3245 date=1123853894]
This is an unscientific pool and not intended to prove anything! Iím just curious to have a feeling for what we think about that upgrade for the CC1 not today but back in the 70s! ;D

Incidentally, would anyone estimate how much that would cost in todayís economy?
The info from the Chess Museum says that the CC1 cost $200 back then and the upgrade as on the manual says $75.

Unfortunately, only registered members can vote. Votes are confidential, so feel free to participate! Of course, comments are appreciated! :)

My personal feelings: I would probably have gone for the upgrade! Knowing me, I would even cut back on a lot of things and sell other stuff I have to get that upgrade. I would also have regretted that greatly today! :)

Best!

Ismenio

[/quote]

I don't think I would have upgraded for the reasons Mike has already mentioned. Also, the upgrade offer on the back of the CC1 manual mentions only that it will be a more difficult program. It says nothing about correcting the reversal of the notation or the processer allowing illegal moves. I wouldn't have been tempted to upgrade knowing only that.

If I could have been certain that the problems were corrected properly, along with the increase in playing strength, I might have though about upgrading, but I still doubt I would have done it.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:Would you have upgraded a CC1 to CC3 back then?
Post by: Ismenio on August 12, 2005, 08:52AM

Dick,

Very good point! I did not think of that! Because of what you mentioned, I now would have to reconsider my vote. I can't change it though so let's make mine kind of 60% towards "No"!

Also, I agree with you that Fidelity probably knew about the flaws on the CC1 very early in the game. That lady who used to work there told me that they changed things in the company very quickly when they started producing the CC1. I think they were so excited about it that they rushed to get the product out of the door.

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Would you have upgraded a CC1 to CC3 back then?
Post by: alainza on August 12, 2005, 09:41AM

I voted "yes"... but I'm not sure...

Anyway, I don't fully agree with Dick : I think that playing strength would have been the #1 factor (I suppose I would have been able to beat the CC1).

If you beat the CC1 100% of the time and have to play carefully to beat the Upgraded Version, then it make the upgrade interesting (unless it is still too weak, or other computers are stronger for the same price).

As long as the computer does not play invalid moves itself and accepts valid moves, I don't care if it accepts also invalid moves : I don't play invalid moves :)

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:Would you have upgraded a CC1 to CC3 back then?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on August 12, 2005, 10:27AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=420;start=0#msg3266 date=1123864896]
I voted "yes"... but I'm not sure...

Anyway, I don't fully agree with Dick : I think that playing strength would have been the #1 factor (I suppose I would have been able to beat the CC1).

If you beat the CC1 100% of the time and have to play carefully to beat the Upgraded Version, then it make the upgrade interesting (unless it is still too weak, or other computers are stronger for the same price).

As long as the computer does not play invalid moves itself and accepts valid moves, I don't care if it accepts also invalid moves : I don't play invalid moves :)

Best,
Alain

[/quote]

Oh, well, if you are good enough to beat the CC1 then the upgrade might be a good idea, but for the rest of us mere mortals..... ;D ;D

I would agree with you here, Alain, but I didn't think that the CC3 was all that much stronger than the CC1. Aren't they both very weak?

There have been times when I played the CC1 when I pushed the wrong buttons (darned reversed notation, anyway) and the move wasn't legal but the computer accepted it anyway.

I tried to put myself into my chess playing abilities when this CC1 came out in 1977, to answer this question, and back then I doubt that I could have beaten it very often. :-[ Knowing what I know now, and if there were no other computer available, then I might have upgraded.

I can actually beat the CC1 once in a while, these days. ;)

Dick Schneiders





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