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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: drawmeister on August 14, 2005, 09:35AM
	

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Title: I think i want a Phantom....any advice ?
Post by: drawmeister on August 14, 2005, 09:35AM

Yes the urge is getting stonger for ownership of a Phantom/ MB GM etc. I am not in a rush but would want to get it right.

I guess that most are in the US and that really the only way is to buy through E-bay, infact there is one on E-bay now.

I have read through back pages on the forum and there is lots of discussion about them 6100 /6124/6126 i never knew there were different models.

Any Do's or Don'ts when it comes to buying one ?, or any advice in general would be appreciated ?.

Ian.


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Title: Re:I think i want a Phantom....any advice ?
Post by: Ismenio on August 14, 2005, 05:05PM

Ian,

I think you’re in for a treat. Phantoms are great machines, in my opinion. I think you can start by trying to determine what you want to get, which model, etc. I have given up on the idea of collecting every single model because of availability, $ and space! Though I’m only missing the 6124 and the Mephisto Phantom.

If I had to pick just one model, that would have to be the 6126, the “Eyeball” because of features. I believe there will be another one on eBay sometime this year. The 6100 seems to be the most common. The Milton Bradley models are also in my range of favorites though they don’t have the LCD and the program is weaker.

It seems we are getting quite a few offers here in the US but usually the sellers will ship to UK and if they don’t , that’s not a problem as we can act as a proxy and get it for you.

If you do get one with the dust cover, it may be worth to have that item shipped separately as I have heard of more than one case where it was damaged during shipping.
If they have the complete package, including the Styrofoam, that seems to work fine. I had one shipped to me from UK and it arrived safely.

Ismenio


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Title: Re:I think i want a Phantom....any advice ?
Post by: Mike Watters on August 15, 2005, 02:58AM

Ian

The Milton Bradleys come in three models - Grandmaster (USA), Phantom (UK) and Milton (Germany). They are all the same machine except for the name on the front. The MB Phantom probably the rarest. Pros - relative rarity, robust. Cons - Weak program (Elo 1600 - Kurts site, but plays weaker to me), difficulty of finding them complete with box + dustcover.

Phantoms come in these forms (they are all basically the same and have the Par Excellence/Avante Garde 2100 program) :-
Fidelity 6100 Phantom - the common version
Mephisto Phantom - the same machine but rebadged when Mephisto bought Fidelity.
Fidelity 6124 Chesster
Fidelity 6126 Chesster Eyeball.
The latter two are the same apart from the motion sensor and "eyes" on the Eyeball. They are both basically the same machine as the 6100 but with the Chesster voice and coaching features. Dick discovered :) that they also have a Level 1 (easy mode) that is good for beginners which is not found on the 6100 and not mentioned in the manual.

There has been a steady flow of 6100s on Ebay and some high prices ever since we started getting enthusiastic about them on CCC and then on Ismenio's forum. ;D That has calmed down now though and prices of 6100s, complete with box and occasionally dust cover have settled back down to around £300.

The Eyeball is much sought after because of its additional fun features and relative rarity. Expect to pay anything from £450-700 for a good one, around £1100 is the record.

The rarest model is the 6124 Chesster, because fewer were made. If one comes up on Ebay it will probably fetch more than an Eyeball. One for collectors who seek rarity and completeness of their Robot collections above all else.

There were a number of Eyeballs sold on Ebay a few months ago, but the supply seems to have dried up now. Overall they come up infrequently and if the next one takes a few months to arrive expect a high price.

It is quite a good time to buy a Phantom 6100, and as you say the great majority of them come up in the USA. USA sellers on Ebay can be erratic. :( Expect to pay around $60 postage and 20% import duty/P.O. handing charge.

Good luck with your Phantom hunting.
Mike


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Title: Re:I think i want a Phantom....any advice ?
Post by: drawmeister on August 16, 2005, 02:19AM

Thanks Guys,

That's great info, now to find the one that i want including the dustcover ?!. ;D

I do have a couple of related questions which i have started in another thread.



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