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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Ismenio on November 11, 2005, 05:49PM
	

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Title: How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Ismenio on November 11, 2005, 05:49PM

Have you guys seen this new eBay feature? It lets you research average price for items that have been sold for the past 90 days. This should be interesting in researching chess computer sales, though I would still rely more on Alain’s database as he has data going further back ;D

Link: http://pages.ebay.com/marketplace_research/index.html

From the page:

What can Marketplace Research do for me?

For Buyers - Track items you're interested in purchasing and view the average sold prices for those items.

For Sellers - Access up to 90 days of eBay historical completed items data. Understand the demand for items you're planning to sell with charts trending average bids per item, number of completed items and more. View top searches within a category or the entire site to see what buyers are searching for.


Ismenio


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: tomwil on February 4, 2006, 12:34PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg4430 date=1131760184]
though I would still rely more on Alain’s database as he has data going further back
Ismenio

[/quote]

Hi, where can I find Alain's database? I am a new collector and would like to have a reference on current prices. Thanks!


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 4, 2006, 10:46PM

Hello,

[quote author=tomwil link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5157 date=1139085254]
[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg4430 date=1131760184]
though I would still rely more on Alain’s database as he has data going further back
Ismenio

[/quote]

Hi, where can I find Alain's database? I am a new collector and would like to have a reference on current prices. Thanks!
[/quote]

Thanks Ismenio,

Tom,

just name a few computers, and I'll be glad to give you the information I have about sales of these models on ebay (if they are not in the many holes of my database).

Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: tomwil on February 15, 2006, 06:55AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5160 date=1139122005]

Tom,

just name a few computers, and I'll be glad to give you the information I have about sales of these models on ebay (if they are not in the many holes of my database).

Alain

[/quote]

Alain, Thanks! Could you list what sales info you have for the CC1, and the CC3? Thanks again!

Tom


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 15, 2006, 09:56AM

CC1: I have seen prices between 11 Euros and 1300 Euros ;)
11 Euros was a "15$ buy it know" by a seller who did not know the value of the computer.
1300 Euros was a ??? by a buyer who did not know the value of the computer (http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8746796035)
More seriously, 4 (at least) sales between 250 and 450 Euros in 2005. A CC1 proposed at 600, then 500, then 450 and then 400 euros in Germany did not sell.

CC3: prices between 30 and 300 Euros, around 15 sales (may be more) in 2005. average price around 100 Euros.

Best,

Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: tomwil on February 16, 2006, 07:45AM

Alain, thank you so much for the info!

As much as I want a CC1, I don't think I will go overboard like the one auction that went for $1300! I know I can keep my bidding within bounds, thanks to yours and Ismenio's helpful information.

I really wish I had the ability/luck of Dick Schneiders and Mike Watters and others in winning stuff on eBay, but usually I am just the one who ends up paying full price for everything. Someone has to keep the economy going!

Hey, if anyone here is thinking of selling a CC1, let me know. I am willing to pay a fair price, not looking for a bargain. I believe in being honest and fair with all of my dealings, as God has provided.

Anyway, just want to say that this is a great forum! I am so happy I stumbled upon it a few days ago, and although a newbie, I appreciate all of the help I have received. Thanks again for everything!

Best Wishes,

Tom


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Ismenio on February 16, 2006, 07:07PM

Hi Tom,

I'm glad you joined us! It's always exciting to make new friends in this hobby.

CC1s don’t seem to be as rare as I thought they were so hang in there and you’ll get yours at the right price.
Sometimes I get emails from people offering computers so if I hear something about a CC1 I’ll let you know.

All the best,

Ismenio



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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Jose on February 16, 2006, 10:35PM

Hello Alain,

i still working on a homepage, that lists all sales of rare chess computers. Now i see you have a database of those? Did you have it on your Page? Is there a link? I don´t want do the same as you. :(

In my database you can search for name, price, offers, buyer, date etc. (with screenshots from the auction)

I think in few weeks i´ll be ready. But my start point was in the end of the year 2005 - all before i didn´t have. But with help from you or other friends i can complete my database! :)

Greets José


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 16, 2006, 11:54PM

Hello Jose,


on 1140158144, Jose wrote:

i still working on a homepage, that lists all sales of rare chess computers. Now i see you have a database of those? Did you have it on your Page? Is there a link? I don´t want do the same as you. :(


No, my database is not on line, I am too ashamed of the wrong references for many computers :-[

Here are a few details : I have a SQL Server database on which I built two applications :
1. A standalone application (historically the first) which I mostly use to make queries as I don't have reproduced all its features in the second application.
2. An Internet Explorer bar which I can open anytime I am browsing on ebay. I am using this bar for two things :
  • Add a "favorites" feature with which I follow sales on which I don't want to bid (this allows my ebay list to be smaller and to contain only the post interesting sales
  • Track the finished sales, both from my custom favourites list and from ebay's list


  • Here are a few screenshots :
    1. Internet Explorer with my custom bar


    Best,
    Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 17, 2006, 12:34AM

Hey I recognise some of those people. ;D

Jose I print off the listings from the most interesting/significant sales so sometimes I can fill in details, or occasionally add to Alains list.

From what he shows though I would say that that Alains method captures around 80% ? Which is fantastic.

Mike


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Jose on February 17, 2006, 01:17AM

Hi Alain,

wow, great Job! You did program this with C++, or? Very excellent! The screens from the ebay Auctions are Screenshots or did you access on ebay LIVE? you didn´t or?

I access on a mysql database and i feed this with a php-blank. And you can access all datas online with different criterias. But i take only ebay Auctions with rare computers. Otherwise i will be to much. And only the rare i find intersting. :)

But if you put your database online - i would abort my work! Else we will do it double. What do you think?

hello Mike,

oh that is great if you have listings from 2005 and before! I will happy about it :)

Greetings José


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 17, 2006, 01:56AM


Quote:
From what he shows though I would say that that Alains method captures around 80% ? Which is fantastic.

Hi Mike,
interesting figure... I have to improve it ! I'll add a feature to parse the feedback page and check items not already in the database. Of course, I'll have to build of first cl(oops!) buyers... I already have a few names ;)

[quote]
You did program this with C++, or? Very excellent! The screens from the ebay Auctions are Screenshots or did you access on ebay LIVE[/quote]
Hi Jose,
1. The application is written in C# which is a lot faster to program for form-based applications linked to databases.
2. Ebay data is live data : my "new" application is in fact an Internet Explorer bar which is displayed in the same place than history/favorites/...
So when I browse ebay, I just have to click on the "Mephisto I" icon in my toolbar and my "ebay band" appears and is able to parse the current html page.

I used to host IE in my first application but it was less efficient : when I received an email from ebay about new items in one of my searches, I had to copy manually the URL to my application. Now, I just follow the link, click on the Mephisto icon and add the item in my custom favourites list.

Best,

Alain

PS : I don't intend to put my database online so you can go ahead with your project, there won't be doubles.


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Jose on February 17, 2006, 02:26AM

Hi Alain,

my English is not the best, therefore some things i not understand in first reading - so sorry :-)

If the ebay-screenshots are live, than you see this application for only 3 months. Than the article in ebay you did not see anymore. But you save the history auctions, or?

I love people, who can program with c, c#, c++ or other languages. I still learning c++ - but i start a few days ago. I only know about xhtml, css and a little bit php and mysql.

You did a great job. My Respect for your program!!!

Greetings José ;D


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 17, 2006, 09:19AM

Hi again Jose,

[quote author=Jose link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5333 date=1140172010]
my English is not the best, therefore some things i not understand in first reading - so sorry :-)
[/quote]
No problem, mine is also far from perfect !

[quote]
If the ebay-screenshots are live, than you see this application for only 3 months. Than the article in ebay you did not see anymore. But you save the history auctions, or?
[/quote]
Yes, I save in a database table the computer's type, the seller and buyer aliases, the ebay id, the price, the date and sometimes a comment, for example "not working" or "with case" (because it raises the price of Mephisto Exclusive and Modular computers)
The screenshot I displayed is the form I use to save the auction's information : I fill automatically most fields of the left form and just have to enter manually the computer's type, and of course the comment.

[quote]
You did a great job. My Respect for your program!!!
[/quote]
Thanks a lot,

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Chris on February 17, 2006, 10:03AM

Hi Alain :)

Congratulations - this looks a very impressive and valuable tool! :)

One of your screenshots shows pretty well all the manufacturers. How do you determine which models you will collect data for? For example, presumably you don't collect full info for 'very common' machines (eg all CC7 sales)?

Best wishes


Chris


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Ismenio on February 18, 2006, 06:49PM

So, when can we pre-order the CD with your software + database Alain? ;D

@Jose, please let me know when you have your page ready and I can link to it on the main site.

I have an eBay watch page: http://www.ismenio.com/ebay_watch.html
But I haven't updated it in ages. I did manage to save some auctions, but I don't have them in a fancy searchable database like Alain's. One thing I was going to do was to have an archive of the full eBay page on the site but I didn't have time to continue that project. Also, after seeing many scam auctions I was concerned about people misusing the pages :-[
( http://www.ismenio.com/scam_auction.html )

Best regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Jose on February 19, 2006, 11:22PM

Hi Ismenio,

sure, i will give you the link if the page is complete, i will take also your link to my :-)
Can i take some data from your ebay watch page? Are that all informations to the auctions or did you have more? Screenshots, Articlenumber, sellers etc!

Greetings José


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Ismenio on February 20, 2006, 04:43PM

Hi Jose,

Of course you can use any info from the site!
I think sharing information is great and personally I like it when we link to each other as a “chess computer web ring”. That way people looking for different types of information can get it by browsing through our sites.

I’ll try to send you all the info I have on saved auctions (and anyone who wants it) but I need some time as they are archived and currently I have very little spare time :(
So it is taking me a while to attend requests. Even for manuals.

On that topic, especially if Alain is reading this, let me know who is going to be the first to get a “book scanner!” ;) That would take care of us digitizing our manuals! I recently had to make a copy of the English part of the Excalibur GM and it wasn’t easy due to the way the pages are bond.

So, let’s see who is going to buy one of these (I think it’s only $35,000.00 ;) )
It's pretty cool! It turns the pages automatically and without any damage to the chess computer manual... or any book ;)

From: http://www.atiz.com/



Gutenberg would be proud!

Ismenio


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Jose on February 20, 2006, 10:05PM

Great machine - i never saw before such kind of scanner?! :)
No Problem. I also always on tour. We have time. Thanks José


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Endspielgott on February 21, 2006, 10:18AM

Hi Alain,

sorry to bother you again but I need some info out of your database.

This time it is a Novag Super Forte B plus printer and clock, apparently everything with box and mint.

Was there anything similiar offered recently?

Thx,

Christian


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 21, 2006, 12:20PM

Hi Christian,

the only Super Forte B I have in my database was bought by Dick last year for 53 Euros ;D

Here is a recent Super Forte A+C :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8727990670 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8727990670)

And a Forte B :
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8724071829 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8724071829)


I have 8 printers between 20 Euros and 40 Euros for an average of 32 Euros, and 10 clocks with prices between 15 and 45 Euros, two of them bought by simarqui ;)

Hope this helps,
Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Endspielgott on February 21, 2006, 12:36PM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5392 date=1140553220]


I have 8 printers between 20 Euros and 40 Euros for an average of 32 Euros, and 10 clocks with prices between 15 and 45 Euros, two of them bought by simarqui ;)

Alain

[/quote]

Alain,

yes I know these clocks are everywhere in my house ;)
But still the guy who wants to get rid of his stuff only sells the package including printer and clock. :(

He still has got a prestige but I couldn't talk this machine out of him...but I keep on trying 8)

Merci beaucoup,

Christian


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 21, 2006, 12:39PM

Alain

I am going to call you Big Brother from now on.

What I would like to know is what I am going to buy next? :-\

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Chris on February 21, 2006, 12:54PM

Hi Mike :)

[quote]
What I would like to know is what I am going to buy next?
[/quote]

Perhaps this....?

Item number: 8767536182

'Clairvoyant' regards

Chris


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 21, 2006, 01:00PM

Hi Mike,

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5394 date=1140554388]
Alain

I am going to call you Big Brother from now on.

What I would like to know is what I am going to buy next? :-\

All the best
Mike
[/quote]
As you buy several computers a day, I cannot follow ;)

but there are sometimes computers for which I would be ready to bet that you will win the auction, this seems easier this way :)

I see at least one computer for you on saturday and one on sunday 8) (I don't count the small ones that you are buying just to practice your openings ;D )

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 21, 2006, 03:23PM


Quote:
[quote]

As you buy several computers a day, I cannot follow ;)

but there are sometimes computers for which I would be ready to bet that you will win the auction, this seems easier this way :)

I see at least one computer for you on saturday and one on sunday 8) (I don't count the small ones that you are buying just to practice your openings ;D )

Best,
Alain

[/quote]
Alain ;D
Saturday you say. That is great I can get away for a short break. :)

Yet another Chess Partner 3000, Chris? Very shrewd. So far these have always arrived in Milton Keynes already opened, just requiring me to shovel them into the dustbin. :( But I live in hope.

Maybe my luck has changed because this is the very same Chess Partner 3000 I missed doing the washing up the other day.

All washed up regards
Mike


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 27, 2006, 03:56AM

Hi Alain

How did you do?

Was the Saturday one the Sandy Morphy Encore?

Mystic Chris got his guess right. So now I have two Chess Partner 3000s heading in this direction. Surely one of them will be OK. :-\

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 27, 2006, 09:46AM

Hi Mike,

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5451 date=1141041412]
Hi Alain

How did you do?

Was the Saturday one the Sandy Morphy Encore?

Mystic Chris got his guess right. So now I have two Chess Partner 3000s heading in this direction. Surely one of them will be OK. :-\

All the best
Mike
[/quote]

wrong... ::)

in fact, my "best" bet was on the Impos Royal (but I don't know why I said Saturday instead of Friday) when I wrote this message. But when I saw that it reached a crazy price long before the end of the auction, I cancelled my bet ::)

Best,

Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Endspielgott on February 27, 2006, 10:46AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5457 date=1141062388]

But when I saw that it reached a crazy price long before the end of the auction, I cancelled my bet ::)

[/quote]

Hi Alain,

what do you mean with 'crazy price'?
Maybe I should sell mine too in order to earn some money ;)

I payed 400 Euros a year ago...

Christian


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 27, 2006, 10:50AM

Hi Christian,

[quote author=Endspielgott link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5458 date=1141066017]
what do you mean with 'crazy price'?
Maybe I should sell mine too in order to earn some money ;)

I payed 400 Euros a year ago...

Christian
[/quote]

1510 Euros ::)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8768016246 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8768016246)
before this one, I had seven sales between 381 and 670 Euros, for an average of 560 Euros...

Best,

alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 27, 2006, 11:00AM

[quote]wrong... ::)

in fact, my "best" bet was on the Impos Royal (but I don't know why I said Saturday instead of Friday) when I wrote this message. But when I saw that it reached a crazy price long before the end of the auction, I cancelled my bet ::)

Best,

Alain

[/quote]
Alain I did not even know there was an Impos Royal being sold.

I have just looked for it in the completed listings and still can't find it. Do you have the link? For spectator interest only. ;)

Rest (oops!)ured though, I doubt whether I will ever compete for one of those boards. Though now I know Christian has one I could change my mind. ;D

Impostor regards
Mike


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: alainza on February 27, 2006, 11:49AM

Hi Mike,

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5460 date=1141066818]
I have just looked for it in the completed listings and still can't find it. Do you have the link? For spectator interest only. ;)
[/quote]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8768016246 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8768016246) (it was just below your message ;) )

The strange thing about Impos Royal in my database is that four have been sold by one seller and three by another (who have bought one of the impos sold by the first seller) Do they build them ???

Best,
Alain


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 27, 2006, 03:25PM

Alain

Thanks for the link x2 ;)

That is an amazing price. I can remember Martin and Steve paying around 450 Euros, also from Frau Schebitz I think. The most I saw one go for was 905 Euros?

This has to be an MMII record. :)

Mike


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Robert Weck on February 28, 2006, 01:32AM


on 1141066252, Alain Zanchetta wrote:

1510 Euros ::)

That i really call crazy!!! :o

But the best is: the IMPOS-boards seem to be very poorly made!!

I have seen one on a video from Hein Veldhuis, which he made at Karsten Bauermeisters museum. Karsten said, that he was very disappointed about this board! (you could see that some crooked screws underside)

They look nice, but i would say, they are overpriced (especially for 1510 Euros! ;D)

Christian, what can you say about your board? (maybe Karsten simply got a bad model)


Robert


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Endspielgott on February 28, 2006, 04:59AM

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5471 date=1141119132]
[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=571;start=0#msg5459 date=1141066252]
1510 Euros ::)
[/quote]
That i really call crazy!!! :o

But the best is: the IMPOS-boards seem to be very poorly made!!

I have seen one on a video from Hein Veldhuis, which he made at Karsten Bauermeisters museum. Karsten said, that he was very disappointed about this board! (you could see that some crooked screws underside)

They look nice, but i would say, they are overpriced (especially for 1510 Euros! ;D)

Christian, what can you say about your board? (maybe Karsten simply got a bad model)


Robert

[/quote]

Robert,

I think my board ist somewhat different from the one which has been sold recently (you see pictures on Ismenio's site with the Resurrection inside)...but I also bought it from Frau Schebitz...interesting. I remember as I won the auction I asked her some questions concerning the origin of this board (manufacturer etc), but she said that she had no additional info.

The wood of the board and the pieces are of high quality. It is real fun to play with it...I am used to tournament size as an active chess player, and this Impos is slightly bigger than the Munich or Bavaria board (both are NOT tournament size)...
The electronics inside my Impos is poorly implemented...it looks to me like somebbody dismanteled an ol Mephisto board an put all the stuff in the new board. I had already one of the Reed Contacts simply fallen off (thx Deutsche Bundespost ;D)...but it was easy to fix this problem.
But I had to open it then, and the look inside made my eyes water...happily it works fine now :P

So it is not a MUSTHAVE dear Mike, but if you stumble upon one for a fair price (below 500 Euros), get it because the board is great to look on an playing is real FUN.
1500 Euros is way too much...better rip apart an old Exclusive board and go to a carpenter and tell him what you want...

Christian


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Title: Re:How much is that chess computer worth?
Post by: Donnie on September 10, 2009, 06:56PM

Hello Alain, I am looking for a fidelity impact printer for a chess challenger 12 and/or sensory voice. Any ideas?

Thanks, D



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