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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Dick Schneiders on March  2, 2005, 10:18AM
	

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Title: problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 2, 2005, 10:18AM

The fantastic $15 purchase of the Saitek President on eBay (using Buy It Now), might turn out not to be so great after all.

One of my Fidelity adapters works fine, by the way, so thanks for the help there.

The computer seems to be working great, but it came with a missing black pawn! There is a dark, plastic one that came in place and was in the picture, that I missed noticing. It was never mentioned in the auction. Since the computer is auto sensory, this plastic pawn does not work with the system. The compter keeps lighting up the square that the plastic pawn is on, I suspect telling me that there is no piece there and there should be. I can force the computer to make moves, for both sides, and have figured out how to do other stuff (no manual, also), but have not been able to get the computer to respond automatically, because of the missing pawn, I would guess.

How much of a problem is this going to be? Can replacement pieces be located?

Certainly the monetary factor here is small, but the frustration factor is huge. :'(

Thanks,

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 2, 2005, 10:45AM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=59;start=0#msg340 date=1109787485]
The fantastic $15 purchase of the Saitek President on eBay (using Buy It Now), might turn out not to be so great after all.

One of my Fidelity adapters works fine, by the way, so thanks for the help there.

The computer seems to be working great, but it came with a missing black pawn! There is a dark, plastic one that came in place and was in the picture, that I missed noticing. It was never mentioned in the auction. Since the computer is auto sensory, this plastic pawn does not work with the system. The compter keeps lighting up the square that the plastic pawn is on, I suspect telling me that there is no piece there and there should be. I can force the computer to make moves, for both sides, and have figured out how to do other stuff (no manual, also), but have not been able to get the computer to respond automatically, because of the missing pawn, I would guess.

How much of a problem is this going to be? Can replacement pieces be located?

Certainly the monetary factor here is small, but the frustration factor is huge. :'(

Thanks,

Dick Schneiders
[/quote]

I don't know how these auto sensory boards recognize the pieces. Would A/S pieces from another set, say a Mephisto Exclusive board, work on the Saitek President?
Or do I have to have a replacement pawn (or complete set) made specifically for the Saitek President?

I like talking to myself - I do it a lot! ;D

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Mike Watters on March 2, 2005, 11:37AM

El Presidente

You just need a piece with a magnet. Any piece will do to play a game, as long as the magnet is sufficiently strong to work the switch.

That was a tremendous bargain if it all works well. I must admit I had worries when you told us about it because of the 0 feedback and poor photo. Great stuff !!

The only time you have to worry about individual pieces is with piece recognition sets where there is a coil in the base that signifies black pawn, white rook etc. These are used with the Tasc R30 and Mephisto Bavaria boards.

Happy playing
Mike


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Title: Re:problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 2, 2005, 11:56AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=59;start=0#msg342 date=1109792232]
El Presidente

You just need a piece with a magnet. Any piece will do to play a game, as long as the magnet is sufficiently strong to work the switch.

That was a tremendous bargain if it all works well. I must admit I had worries when you told us about it because of the 0 feedback and poor photo. Great stuff !!

The only time you have to worry about individual pieces is with piece recognition sets where there is a coil in the base that signifies black pawn, white rook etc. These are used with the Tasc R30 and Mephisto Bavaria boards.

Happy playing
Mike
[/quote]

That's what I thought, Mike. However, I have tried the pieces from my Phantoms and they don't work. I would have thought those pieces had strong magnets for the robot to work. Would the weight of the piece have anything to do with it?

I will wait until I get the Polgar Exclusive and see if one of them works. I can get an entire new set of Saitek pieces for $99, but that would make this bargain just a decent price.

I will try and get some strong magnet just so I can get the computer to recognize all 32 pieces, and play me a game.

It is a rather nice computer set for $15, but this is a bit of a hang-up.

Thanks,

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 2, 2005, 12:14PM

[quote author=Dick Schneiders link=board=1;threadid=59;start=0#msg344 date=1109793407]
[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=59;start=0#msg342 date=1109792232]
El Presidente

You just need a piece with a magnet. Any piece will do to play a game, as long as the magnet is sufficiently strong to work the switch.

That was a tremendous bargain if it all works well. I must admit I had worries when you told us about it because of the 0 feedback and poor photo. Great stuff !!

The only time you have to worry about individual pieces is with piece recognition sets where there is a coil in the base that signifies black pawn, white rook etc. These are used with the Tasc R30 and Mephisto Bavaria boards.

Happy playing
Mike
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That's what I thought, Mike. However, I have tried the pieces from my Phantoms and they don't work. I would have thought those pieces had strong magnets for the robot to work. Would the weight of the piece have anything to do with it?

I will wait until I get the Polgar Exclusive and see if one of them works. I can get an entire new set of Saitek pieces for $99, but that would make this bargain just a decent price.

I will try and get some strong magnet just so I can get the computer to recognize all 32 pieces, and play me a game.

It is a rather nice computer set for $15, but this is a bit of a hang-up.

Thanks,

Dick Schneiders

[/quote]

Well, you were correct, Mike, as usual. I finally tried one of the wooden Novag pieces that came with the Phantom 6100 and it works fine on the President. The magnet must be stronger on them.

The pieces from the Novag are just slightly smaller than the President ones, but they look good and I will use them. Now if I can find an entire set of original Phantom pieces, I will be back in business with everything.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Ismenio on March 2, 2005, 01:52PM

Dick, I've played with that stuff, just for fun and basically it only depends on how strong the magnet is. The ones from the Phantom shouldn't work on auto-sensory boards I believe mostly because of the size of the magnet.

Like Mike said, except for the models that automatically recognize the pieces (e.g. Tasc) *most* of the others should work.

The boards just have a reed switch which uses the magnet to "close" the circuit and transmit the information of the piece on the board.

Here's how it works:



Here's what one looks like:



Ismenio


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Title: Re:problem with Saitek President I just got!
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 2, 2005, 02:25PM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=59;start=0#msg347 date=1109800324]
Dick, I've played with that stuff, just for fun and basically it only depends on how strong the magnet is. The ones from the Phantom shouldn't work on auto-sensory boards I believe mostly because of the size of the magnet.

Like Mike said, except for the models that automatically recognize the pieces (e.g. Tasc) *most* of the others should work.

The boards just have a reed switch which uses the magnet to "close" the circuit and transmit the information of the piece on the board.

Here's how it works:



Here's what one looks like:



Ismenio

[/quote]

Thanks for the pictures, Ismenio. That helps me to understand what is going on. It actually is quite simple, even to electrically challenged me.

Dick Schneiders



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