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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Nethippy on December 29, 2005, 07:45PM
	

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Title: Excalibur legend II
Post by: Nethippy on December 29, 2005, 07:45PM

I was wondering if anyone has any information on the Excalibur Legend II. I haven't been able to come up with any information on it at all. I'd like to know what its ELO rating is. It's an older model of theirs that's no longer on their website.

Anyway, the rest of my modest collection consists of the Saitek Alchemist, Saitek Cosmos, and the Fidelity Sensory Voice Chess Challenger.


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: alainza on December 30, 2005, 02:08AM

I suppose you have already seen this FAQ :
http://www.drpribut.com/sports/chessfaq.html (http://www.drpribut.com/sports/chessfaq.html)

The Excalibur Legend is rated 2020 there but these ratings seem very generous, see for example the R30 rated here at 2558 compared to what is given on Wiki:
Wiki rating of the R30 = 2374
SSDF rating of the R30 = 2274
BCF rating of the R30 = 2358

or may be the 2558 is simply the USCF rating which is considered to be 200 points higher than international ELO ?

That would give 1820 for the Legend (and still nothing for the Legend II :( )

Best,

Alain


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Nethippy on December 30, 2005, 07:09PM

From what I can tell though, it plays relatively strong chess. From the information you provided, I'd guess that it's a bit stronger than the Legend is. If I were to take a guess at it, I'd say somewhere between 1900 and 2000. The Cosmos according to its manual is rated somewhere over 2000 ELO on its stronger levels. The Cosmos beats it, but not quickly. The games between these two units are long and drawn out, and it takes a good number of moves before either side has a clear advantage. I like playing two machines against each other, and try to study what's going on. Sometimes I'll try to predict what move they'll make next, and sometimes I'll get it right.

I just finished a game between the two at an average of 30 seconds per move, which the Cosmos won. My next match between the two will be at an average of 2 minutes a move.

Both of these though, are the strongest in my collection, and have quite a range of features available.


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Ismenio on December 31, 2005, 07:54PM

[quote author=Nethippy link=board=1;threadid=633;start=0#msg4871 date=1135998558]
... My next match between the two will be at an average of 2 minutes a move.

Both of these though, are the strongest in my collection, and have quite a range of features available.
[/quote]

Hi Nethippy!

I would like to see a post of that match if possible :)

Best regards,

Ismenio

PS: Which one is your favorite? (from your collection)


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Nethippy on January 2, 2006, 06:56AM

My favorite is the Cosmos. I'd never seen a handheld with so many options.
The Legend II has some neat options such as user programmable evaluation, where you can change various parameters of the position evaluation function and adjust the way it plays.

Well, that game is finally over, the Cosmos won it. I think what I've learned from this is that processor speed isn't as much as an advantage as having a better program. The Cosmos has a 10mhz chip, the Legend II, 20mhz. But the Cosmos beat it 3 out of 4 times at equal time per move. I think I'll do another game like this again, but this time I'll write down the moves.


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Degradation on January 3, 2006, 01:14PM

Hi. Is the Legend II a handheld chess computer? Do you have any pics? Thanks.


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Nethippy on January 3, 2006, 03:16PM

It's a tabletop unit, from the early 90's. I don't have any pictures of it at the moment, but I can get one w/ my digital camera.


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Overtom on September 28, 2006, 07:41AM

I received a Legend II today. It looks like this:



Unfortunately, I don't have the manual. Could anyone be kind enough to send me a scan?

Thanks in advance,

tom


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Robert Weck on September 29, 2006, 12:40AM

Hello Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=633;start=0#msg7092 date=1159454496]
I received a Legend II today. It looks like this:


[/quote]
This should be a relabeled Krypton Challenge!

If you switch it on, does it greet you with a kind "Hello" in the display?

If you don't have a Krypton Challenge/Regency manual, i can send you a scan!


best regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Overtom on September 29, 2006, 02:34AM

[quote author=Robert Weck link=board=1;threadid=633;start=0#msg7094 date=1159515623]
Hello Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=633;start=0#msg7092 date=1159454496]
I received a Legend II today. It looks like this:


[/quote]
This should be a relabeled Krypton Challenge!

If you switch it on, does it greet you with a kind "Hello" in the display?

If you don't have a Krypton Challenge/Regency manual, i can send you a scan!


best regards,
Robert

[/quote]
Hi Robert,

Yes, I already thought I'd seen the type of chessmen before, but now that you mention it, they are indeed Krypton's!

And you're absolutely right: I'm greeted with a friendly 'Hello'.

Unfortunately, I don't have the manual of Krypton Challenge/Regency. So I would be very much obliged if you could send a digital version.

By the way, the playing strength is not bad, but not extremely impressive either. I adjusted the level to 15, which looked like 10 seconds/move or so. And it lost from Fritz playing at no more than two-plies.

With legendary regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Robert Weck on September 29, 2006, 05:08AM

Hello Tom,

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=633;start=0#msg7095 date=1159522485]
Unfortunately, I don't have the manual of Krypton Challenge/Regency. So I would be very much obliged if you could send a digital version.
[/quote]
It's on the way!
[quote]
By the way, the playing strength is not bad, but not extremely impressive either.
[/quote]
Yes, i would estimate it at about 1800-1850 ELO. It is by far the best Krypton computer!
[quote]
I adjusted the level to 15, which looked like 10 seconds/move or so.
[/quote]
a perfect guess! ;D

At first i thought, the K. Challenge could be a clone of the Excalibur Grandmaster (the levels are the same), but the program is definitive different.


Kryptonite regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Overtom on October 22, 2006, 07:51AM

In this thread it was suggested earlier that the Excalibur Legend II might be somewhat stronger than the original CXG Legend.

Since I have no electronic equipment to measure processor speeds, I just organized a mini-match of seven games between the two. Both computers won two games and the other three were drawn. I suppose it's not too far-fetched to conclude that the two computers have the same program, the more since they played exactly the same moves from their libraries of openings.

Still, it's strange that the CXG machine is called a 10 MHz machine whereas Excalibur is usually labelled a 20 MHz machine. The only explanation I can think of is what I read about the H8 processor: it requires electronic peripherals that run at twice the speed of the processor. So if Excalibur mentions this double speed, that could be the solution.

A few games and pictures are to be seen at http://weblog.overtom.nl/22OCT06.html

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: chipaco on January 2, 2010, 03:04PM

please, I'm looking for manual legend excalibur II, ieioche@msn.com, thank


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: mclane on January 4, 2010, 01:00PM

legend or legend 2 is guyla horvath as programmer.

plays a little p(oops!)ive and says "hello".

i doubt there is a big difference between legend and legend2.


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Title: Re:Excalibur legend II
Post by: Zardoz on February 13, 2010, 07:38AM

I owned the Legend when it first appeared on the market - it broke within a few months. I previously wrote about my experience with picking up the unit directly from the Excalibur headquarters and meeting Shane Samole:

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1643

The computer certainly did have a lot of nice options including the ability to change its playing style, but one of the best things about it was the pieces! I still use them on other machines. They were a very close copy of the old Fidelity pieces except that the bases were wider (except for the pawns) and the magnets were stronger on the Excalibur. You can tip a board to a very steep angle and the pieces stay put which is very nice if you are play with a computer on your lap like I tend to do.



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