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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Dick Schneiders on March  5, 2005, 07:18AM
	

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Title: Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 5, 2005, 07:18AM

I purchased a Boris 2.5 modular system on eBay last night for $10.51. I haven't seen a lot of information on the Boris computers, other than pictures of them on owners web sites. Is it the same as the Sargon 2.5, with different labels?

It is different than the two Boris' that you have, Ismenio. Do you know if the 2.5 is a bit later than yours?

At least this chess computer comes with the manual, adapter, and original box. Perhaps I am learning something, finally. ;)

When I first got the "bug" in January with the purchase of my first Phantom, the 6100, I was going to try and limit my "collecting" to Fidelity machines. That has not been possible. I should have know better, as my resistance powers are very low.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
Post by: Ismenio on March 5, 2005, 11:08AM

Hi Dick,

Good question. I remember reading something, but it was in German, and I *think* they're the same.

Interestingly, take a look here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngBorSarg.html
Here's another site where the two references are together. http://www.computerschaak.nl/comps1978.html - look at the bottom.

And welcome to the club! As a borg would say "resistance is futile"
I try hard not to buy more but it's not easy. One thing I'm trying to do is to have a personal limit. Not sure if that will work!

How about creating a support group?

Ismenio


Cartoon credit and source: http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/c/collector.asp


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Title: Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
Post by: Mike Watters on March 5, 2005, 01:13PM

Hi All

There is no signicant difference between a Boris and a Sargon so far as I can tell. They both came in the same Modular Game System. The only miniscule difference I have found in the modules so far is that one uses the message "Boris Awaits Your Move" and the other "Sargon Awaits Your Move". Again as far as I can tell there is nothing to show which is which until you turn them on. Possibly just a marketing ploy?

Anyway a pleasure to see you are branching out into the ancient machines Dick. Late 1979. An excellent bargain too.

Best regards
Mike


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Title: Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
Post by: Dick Schneiders on March 5, 2005, 02:27PM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=64;start=0#msg366 date=1110057199]
Hi All

There is no signicant difference between a Boris and a Sargon so far as I can tell. They both came in the same Modular Game System. The only miniscule difference I have found in the modules so far is that one uses the message "Boris Awaits Your Move" and the other "Sargon Awaits Your Move". Again as far as I can tell there is nothing to show which is which until you turn them on. Possibly just a marketing ploy?

Anyway a pleasure to see you are branching out into the ancient machines Dick. Late 1979. An excellent bargain too.

Best regards
Mike

[/quote]

I saw that this one was programmed by the Spracklen's, who did many of the great Fidelities in the 1980's. My Fidelity SC9, I think, was one of the first that they did for Fidelity, and it plays a decent game.

I have to admit, though, that the real reason I bid on this one was because it came with the manual. No searching for how it works, this time. Also, it was cheap.

I should be getting the Mephisto Exclusive with Polgar 10 MHz the first of the week. I ordered a manual, along with a couple of others, from Cl(oops!)ic Chess and Games, like you did. Hopefully, they won't take as long with mine.

Dick Schneiders


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Title: Re:Boris 2.5 same as Sargon 2.5?
Post by: Mike Watters on March 5, 2005, 05:42PM

[quote]I saw that this one was programmed by the Spracklen's, who did many of the great Fidelities in the 1980's. My Fidelity SC9, I think, was one of the first that they did for Fidelity, and it plays a decent game.

I have to admit, though, that the real reason I bid on this one was because it came with the manual. No searching for how it works, this time. Also, it was cheap.

I should be getting the Mephisto Exclusive with Polgar 10 MHz the first of the week. I ordered a manual, along with a couple of others, from Cl(oops!)ic Chess and Games, like you did. Hopefully, they won't take as long with mine.

Dick Schneiders[/quote]

Well it will not play as strong a game as the SC9. Sargon 2.5 was 2 or 3 years earlier. In those days the programs suffered from the horizon effect quite badly. If you survive the middle game you will give it a good thrashing in the endgame. :)

The later modules are a fair bit stronger (Morphy and Steinitz), though the opening and endgame module idea(Gruenfeld and Capablanca modules) was a doubtful benefit.

Mike



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