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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Overtom on January 29, 2006, 11:43AM
	

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Title: Robot For the Records?
Post by: Overtom on January 29, 2006, 11:43AM

Some auctions at eBay are so exceptional that they should be mentioned here. Today three thousand dollars were offered for a Novag Robot. The bidding went like this:

xdrive5 ( 78) US $3,000.00 Jan-29-06 10:59:22 PST
mc002 ( 309) US $2,500.00 Jan-23-06 14:20:04 PST
smartcapitalist ( 347) US $2,500.00 Jan-23-06 23:16:30 PST
smartcapitalist ( 347) US $2,400.00 Jan-23-06 23:16:19 PST
smartcapitalist ( 347) US $2,300.00 Jan-23-06 23:16:11 PST
smartcapitalist ( 347) US $2,200.00 Jan-23-06 23:16:00 PST
mc002 ( 309) US $2,000.00 Jan-23-06 14:19:29 PST
mfbyrne_pa ( 86) US $2,000.00 Jan-23-06 16:18:29 PST
smartcapitalist ( 347) US $1,900.00 Jan-22-06 23:29:01 PST
mc002 ( 309) US $1,500.00 Jan-23-06 14:19:05 PST
smartcapitalist ( 347) US $1,400.00 Jan-22-06 23:22:22 PST
mc002 ( 309) US $1,250.00 Jan-23-06 14:18:53 PST
mc002 ( 309) US $1,000.00 Jan-23-06 14:18:34 PST
fx502 ( 10) US $444.44 Jan-23-06 06:13:10 PST
marchante0606 ( 4 ) US $299.88 Jan-23-06 01:19:32 PST
marchante0606 ( 4 ) US $199.88 Jan-23-06 01:18:47 PST
tomlovsky ( 107) US $125.00 Jan-22-06 16:41:24 PST
imposxp ( 9 ) US $100.77 Jan-22-06 12:32:56 PST
asett ( 54) US $78.00 Jan-22-06 14:00:26 PST
asett ( 54) US $54.00 Jan-22-06 14:00:15 PST
asett ( 54) US $35.00 Jan-22-06 14:00:02 PST
geoabina ( 79) US $21.69 Jan-22-06 12:50:34 PST
3183098 ( 64) US $1.00 Jan-22-06 11:08:25 PST

What surprised me is that devious bidder "xdrive5" stays invisible until the very end and then suddenly strikes :o Will any other chess computer enthusiasts than xdrive5 ever be allowed to see this jewel??

For those who want to know the exact details, look here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8755260183&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8755260183&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEDW%3AIT&rd=1)

And for those who can't afford three thousand dollars (without shipping), here is a free view of the hardware that you missed:



With baffled regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: drawmeister on January 29, 2006, 11:55AM

Hi Tom,

I was watching this auction with probably many others as well.

But did we know if it was actually working ?, or was it just something pretty to look at.

Is this a record ?.

Ian


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Overtom on January 29, 2006, 12:00PM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=669;start=0#msg5102 date=1138563794]
Some auctions at eBay are so exceptional that they should be mentioned here. Today three thousand dollars were offered for a Novag Robot. The bidding went like this:

xdrive5 ( 78) US $3,000.00 Jan-29-06 10:59:22 PST
.....
....
[/quote]
I should apologize. Later I found out that not xdrive was the winner with $3000, but mc002 who made the highest bid with:

mc002 ( 309) US $3,050.00 Jan-29-06 10:59:54 PST

But we are still left with the question: where to go to if one wants to admire this costly rarity?

With apologetic regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Christian on January 29, 2006, 01:45PM

Hello,

I have bought the robot on Ebay. Two days ago I´ve tested it and it functions fine. So I´m now the proud owner of a Robot :)

Robot regards

Christian


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Mike Watters on January 29, 2006, 01:48PM

Tom

I think the answer to your question is Karlsruhe.

Do you remember the Fidelity Phantom Ismenio auctioned for the Katrina hurricane appeal? It made $1000, and the generous winner of the auction was Christian Müller. Well Christian was high bidder on todays Robot and also one auctioned in November:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8727874893&



That one was known to be faulty but todays is, according to the seller, in working order.

So that is five sold on Ebay in just over a year:-

24/12/2004 - 3188 Euros Slow and graunching arm?
04/06/2005 - 1910 Euros Faulty
28/11/2005 - 1232 Euros Faulty
16/01/2006 - $1550 No power supply to test it ;)
29/01/2006 - $3050 Probably working.

Perhaps the first prices encouraged other Robots out of the closets. Hopefully more will come along and the faulty ones can be mended. They are very vulnerable to damage though.

Botwatch regards
Mike


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Christian on January 29, 2006, 02:17PM

Hi Mike,

you are well informed. Indeed I´m from Karlsruhe Germany and I´ve bought the Ismenio Phantom. I´ve bought as well two Robots. The first was for 1232 € and the second today for round about 2520 €. The first one has my friend Arno Kreuzberg, who is perfect in chess computer repair business. He has some difficulties with this one, but there is some hope. If Arno is able to repair this Robot, I will give up one.

Best

Christian


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Mike Watters on January 29, 2006, 02:31PM

Hi Christian

Congratulations on the Robot. :)

Does Arno have any others under repair at the moment?

Their vulnerabilty to damage and the risks of transporting them have always put me off, up to now. But I expect that I will try to get one sooner or later.

All the best
Mike


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Christian on January 29, 2006, 02:52PM

Hi Mike,

indeed the vulnerability is a problem, because the construction of these computers is not very robust. Arno has had some Robots to repair and his experience grows, so very soon he will be comfortable in Robot repair business. Nevertheless Robots are not constructed for a permanent operation and must be handled with care. ;)

Christian


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Mike Watters on January 29, 2006, 04:01PM

Christian

Just in case you haven't seen it, there is an Italian scam auction currently using the pictures of your Robot.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8255458127&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

It is very unconvincing - 0 feedback, a few general sentences in German not Italian etc - so I expect everyone will steer well clear of it.

Mike




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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: European eBay bidder on January 30, 2006, 06:38AM

:)
THANX A LOT, Mike...

I was going to bid for it !!!!
:-[

:'(


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Ismenio on January 30, 2006, 07:51AM

Congratulations Christian!!

Especially getting a working robot. I remember seeing a post way back, on CCC, from someone who either worked at or owned a chess shop and that person commented on the problems they had with the robot.

He said that they would take the computers out of the box and just leave them playing in demo mode overnight only to come in the morning and find out that about half of them were not working and had to be returned.

Too bad there are only a handful of people who are interested in them. It's sad to see that after more then two decades there are nothing in the market today like this.

I'm already convinced I'll never get one but that is probably a good thing since it would probably suffer in my hads as I would play with it and not just have it as a display piece ;)

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Mike Watters on January 31, 2006, 12:37AM

Someone managed to get eBay to stop the scam auction well before the end. Well done that person. :)

Hopefully that will discourage others.

Mike


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Robert Weck on January 31, 2006, 12:53AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=669;start=0#msg5116 date=1138636317]
He said that they would take the computers out of the box and just leave them playing in demo mode overnight only to come in the morning and find out that about half of them were not working and had to be returned.
[/quote]
Thank you Imenio, this statement finally cured me from my wish to get a Robot! ;D
[quote]
I'm already convinced I'll never get one but that is probably a good thing since it would probably suffer in my hads as I would play with it and not just have it as a display piece ;)
[/quote]
You described exactly my own thoughts! ;D


Robert


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Jose on January 31, 2006, 01:58AM

Hello,
i only wonder about the many offers for the Robot?
I think the Robot will build in a less produce, or? About 20 i think?
But 5 or 6 Robots still sold in Ebay?! ;D
Greets José


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Christian on January 31, 2006, 12:58PM

Hello chess computer friends,

today my Robot arrived. He functions perfect and I understand, why all the owners of Robots love their computers. It is really one of the greatest chess computer ever built. The design is fantastic and looks very modern. The robotic function for this 23 year old computer is astonishing. I´m very happy! This computer is certainly the most important piece in my collection.
:-)

Robot Regards

Christian


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Ismenio on January 31, 2006, 03:37PM

That is excellent news Christian! Congratulations once more and take good care of this great computer. Good to see it is in good hands.

One question, if I may. How does the speed compare to that of a Phantom model? i.e., how do you compare the time it takes for the arm to make the same move a Phantom does?

Best regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Mike Watters on February 1, 2006, 02:01PM

Christian

That's great. I am very pleased that the Robot has found an excellent home. Hopefully you will have two working Robots soon.

So now you won't need to bid on any more chess computer auctions on eBay. 8)

viele Grüße
Mike


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Christian on February 1, 2006, 02:48PM

Hello Mike,

we will see. But really my wife has the same opinion as you.

viele Grüsse

Christian :-\


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Christian on February 1, 2006, 02:50PM

Hello Ismenio,

the speed of the Phantom is a about 1,5 times faster than of the Robot.

Regards

Christian


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Title: Re:Robot For the Records?
Post by: Robert Weck on February 2, 2006, 07:35AM

[quote author=Christian link=board=1;threadid=669;start=0#msg5138 date=1138834082]
we will see. But really my wife has the same opinion as you.
[/quote]
I think, nearly all here, who are married, share the same problem! ;D


Robert



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