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    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: sderyke2002 on February 25, 2006, 05:18AM
	

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Title: Introduction
Post by: sderyke2002 on February 25, 2006, 05:18AM

Hello, just thought I would intoduce myself.

I have had an interest in chess and chess computers since the Fischer era (early 1970's).

My chess rating never got above 2000 USCF - 1650 ELO. But in the era of the SuperConnie I did a lot of computer VS human and other computer testing and even had a few articles punblished (one in CCR).

Over the years I have owned a CC3, CC7, CC9 (which I bumped up to 3 MHz), Turbostar 432, Par Excellence, Dallas 68000, Kasparov President and Virtuoso. I still own the CC3, the Par Excellence, the President and the Virtuoso. Though I could part with any of them for the right price.

My dream machine would be a Fidelity Elegance. They were so far ahead of their time and alot of people didn't realize it until much later.

But right now I am looking for a machine I could beat regularly but still give me a good game - maybe something on the level of the Prodigy or even a Sargon 2.5 (an AVE ARB would be sweet :) )

Well just thought I should register and say hello after enjoying the threads on this forum.


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Title: Re:Introduction
Post by: Ismenio on February 25, 2006, 05:50PM

Hi sderyke2002, great to see another enthusiast here :D

I consider myself still a newbie, especially when I meet people who have been involved in chess computers even for decades! I think it was back in 2004 that I bought my first computer: a humble Halex Oxford II, I think I paid $25 for it at value City. I hadn't been playing chess for ages and just couldn't resist that computer for that price.

Later on, talking to a friend at work he mentioned about a chess computer that moved its own pieces and he saw my eyes glowing! I didn't know about that and without the name of a company or model or anything I was searching like crazy trying to find it.

When I finally found it, I was dissapointed to find out that it was no longer being sold. So I went to eBay and found the MB Phantom (UK version) complete with dust cover and even the invoice! I had no idea about price nor could I found any other auction for it or any site where I could buy a used model. So, that was it! I had to have it! And I got it and after that I was infected.

Best regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Introduction
Post by: Mike Watters on February 26, 2006, 03:07AM

[quote]
My dream machine would be a Fidelity Elegance. They were so far ahead of their time and alot of people didn't realize it until much later.

But right now I am looking for a machine I could beat regularly but still give me a good game - maybe something on the level of the Prodigy or even a Sargon 2.5 (an AVE ARB would be sweet :) )

[/quote]Hello sderyke2002

The last two machines I will be trying to mend are an ARB, which just has a reed switch out, I hope, and a Fidelity Elegance.

The Elegance is like a miniature Elite A/S without the display. You can play chess OK on mine but some of the buttons are faulty and there is a printer port wire detached. I have had a look inside and I am not that hopeful of getting it back to perfect working order but should at least get it printing. The Elite A/S is one of my favourites as I have had it over 20 years and played it more than any other machine. The Elegance is not such a favourite but I shall feel better about it if I can get those buttons all working. ;)

BTW Kurt Kispert seems to have details wrong on his Elegance Oldies page :-

http://www.schachcomputer.at/fidelit2.htm

The Elegance measures 36.5 cm square and it is hard to believe that the chip ran at 6.5MHz, double the speed of the Elite A/S Budapest. The Schachcomputer.Info Wiki entry looks more reliable :-

http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/Fidelity_Elegance

What do you think?

Best regards
Mike


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Title: Re:Introduction
Post by: sderyke2002 on February 26, 2006, 07:19AM

I think the Wiki description is more accurate relating to the clock speed - I always thought it ran at 3.6 MHz. I attribute its superior chess performance to a difference in program. I understand it ran a special program named after Kishon and was quite different from the Budapest.

But I loved it when it first came out because it offered so much (good strength, a nice wood board) all for much less than the other high end units of the day. Then later wanted it even more when its true strength was established.

When it was first released it was considered (at least by CCR) to be weaker than the SuperConnie and Elite A/S C. Some sources even had it weaker than the Prestige. But its final spot on the SSDF is above even the TurboStar 432 showing it was under appreciated.

It clearly is not as strong as several of the machines I have today and I suspect even my Pocket PC Chess Genius would defeat it - but it still holds a warm spot in my heart.


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Title: Re:Introduction
Post by: sderyke2002 on February 26, 2006, 08:17AM

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=711;start=0#msg5432 date=1140918653]
Later on, talking to a friend at work he mentioned about a chess computer that moved its own pieces and he saw my eyes glowing! I didn't know about that and without the name of a company or model or anything I was searching like crazy trying to find it.

When I finally found it, I was dissapointed to find out that it was no longer being sold. So I went to eBay and found the MB Phantom (UK version)
[/quote]

Of course the Phantom is only the third computer to move its own pieces.

Prior to it was both the Boris Handroid and the Novag Robot Adversary. They both had a little arm that came out and picked the piece up to move it, instead of a hidden sliding mechanism the Phantom uses. I don't know if the Novag unit actually made it to production though.


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Title: Re:Introduction
Post by: alainza on February 26, 2006, 12:02PM

Hi,

[quote author=sderyke2002 link=board=1;threadid=711;start=0#msg5443 date=1140970654]
I don't know if the Novag unit actually made it to production though.
[/quote]
Novag did, there have been several Novag Robots for sale this year on ebay (most did not work anymore but some did).
You can seen some videos of the Novag in action on my site. These videos have been made by Steve Blincoe.
http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=NovagRobot.htm (http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/default.aspx?page=NovagRobot.htm)

The Borid Handroid was never released... and I cannot imagine how much it would reach if one of its prototypes was for sale on ebay ;D

Best,

Alain


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Title: Re:Introduction
Post by: Robert Weck on February 27, 2006, 05:31AM

[quote author=sderyke2002 link=board=1;threadid=711;start=0#msg5442 date=1140967165]
I think the Wiki description is more accurate relating to the clock speed - I always thought it ran at 3.6 MHz.
[/quote]
I just checked it in my mailbox: SteveB told me last year that there was an Elegance A with 3 MHz and a B-version with 3.6 MHz.

And i would say, that SteveB is the biggest chess computer-expert here! Especially his knowledge about Fidelity-computers is incedible!


best regards,
Robert



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