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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: Tracy Miller on June 26, 2006, 09:56AM
	

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Title: Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Tracy Miller on June 26, 2006, 09:56AM

Greetings everyone,

This is my first post here. During my undergrad years in the late 80's and early 90's, I had a Radio Shack 1650 that I loved. There's something about that slim design and battery placement that I thought was cool. Plus, it played a pretty fair game of chess. Unfortunately, I gave it to a friend in a moment of weakness, and I never saw it again.

I've been waxing nostalgic over that thing lately for some reason. Anyone know where I can get one? I've looked on eBay the last couple of weeks with no luck.

Thanks.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Chris on June 26, 2006, 12:29PM

Hi Tracy :)

Welcome to the Board :)

I've seen a few now and again. This one is available now:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VINTAGE-Radio-Shack-1650-Computerized-Chess-725B_W0QQitemZ8823415420QQihZ005QQcategoryZ2554QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Best wishes


Chris


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Tracy Miller on June 26, 2006, 01:20PM

Oh, yeah, I saw that one for sale. The one I had was not a travel chess computer, though. It had magnetic pieces, not peg pieces, and had a pressure-sensitive board. And it was bigger than this one, though very thin. I saw a picture of it on Overtom's photo collection called "Radio Shack 1650 Fast Response".

Thanks for the welcome. My collection is limited, although I'm starting to get the collecting bug. I have a Radio Shack Master Chess 2200, an Excalibur IGOR Talking Chess, and some smaller Excalibur travel sets. I have on order the Excalibur Grandmaster and a Fidelity Cl(oops!)ic (which I learned about on this site). I also recently ordered Excalibur's LCD Chess Express and King Arthur set.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Overtom on June 27, 2006, 03:03PM

The 1650 Fast Response looks the same as the Scisys Concord.



I see this computer offered at Dutch auction site http://www.marktplaats.nl/

The seller seems to want 30 Euro for it (I'm not involved).

Best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: TallyNole on June 29, 2006, 03:43PM

Hi Tracy,


My first post as well, after chancing upon this site today through a google search on the 2250XL. Regarding your question, I saw a 1650 on ebay last Fall (MIB condition), and was quite surprised when a sniper bidder swooped in at the last minute with a $50 bid. I really wanted it for sentimental reasons, and still won the bid because my pre-programmed cutoff was $55. It was my first experience on ebay though, so I’d been sitting back all week thinking I was going to win it for $25, the high bid until the sniper swooped in with 1 minute left in the bidding. I’m sure if you keep an eye out, you could find a used one for much less.

It was a real interesting program, the original RS 1650 (They came out with an updated 1650 a few years later that actually played an inferior game……I tried it out and returned it to the store immediately). I bought one in Fall 1986--my very first computer and the jumpstart to my erstwhile tournament career. It has a very fun, active, risk-taking, almost human playing style. The kind of weak human you might meet playing chess in a bar that is. I’m not even a “cl(oops!) B” player, but if I concentrate I can play it on Level 5 (~40/2 time control) and win 75-80% against it [I always play the stupid things on the honor system :)……Touch-move and no take backs. I pulled it out for fun a few months back and in a 10-game match scored (+5,=5)]. But that’s mainly because its endgame play is the most atrocious thing ever devised of silicone**. The middlegame is reasonable and fun, as I noted. It’s active style reminds me a little bit of the “Jungle chess” description I”ve seen regarding the Sprackleon (sp?) programs, and their penchant for creating threats all across the board. The only other program I have that even approaches it’s activity level is the Mach III, but even that is not close…..1650 is like a Mach III with a little extra ‘Tude and a cocktail thrown in, but without the positional soundness. It is certainly a sturdy game. My original 1986 machine is still 100% functional. But I decided to bid on a replacement/backup because I noticed the sound function starting to occasionally become erratic, and I’m afraid any day/month/year now, the whole machine will just not come on one day. I’m sure another one will come up on ebay, so keep your eye out (I promise not to bid against you as long as my original is still functioning, and I rarely play it nowadays ;)). I currently own the RS 1650, 1850, 2250XL, Novag Sapphire I, Mephisto Milano Pro, Saitek GK2000, Fidelity Mach 3, Excaliber Grandmaster and Excaliber LCD handheld (what a waste.....stronger than the 1650 but it bores me to tears!……wish I could unload the poor thing or include it in a trade), and on the PC I have Powerchess, MChess 1.1, MasterChess 2000 and Fritz 6 with all the multiple engines it came with. And I’ve formerly owned Par excellence, Battlechess and RS 2150L. But the 1986 “Radio Shack 1650 fast response computerized chess” is still my sentimental favorite and favorite over the board “personality”.


(**Anna Nicole notwithstanding)


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: TracyMiller on June 30, 2006, 09:02AM

It's bizzare how one can become attached to something like a chess computer. I'm waxing nostalgic, I guess. But many people develop this for all kinds of things, from Matchbox cars to Barbie dolls.

I recently got the chess computer bug, and am am(oops!)ing quite a collection. I got an RS 1850 on ebay for $5.99, and it plays and looks great. I have Excalibur's Grandmaster on the way.

Also ordered Excalibur's King Arthur and Alexandra the Great chess games. Also Excalibur's LCD Chess Express. I have an RS 1650 on the way, but it is the peg-style game, not the RS 1650 pressure-sensitive board. There's one being auctioned now from Australia (along with the RS 1850, but I'm not so sure I want to pay shipping from there to Tennessee). Maybe I'll hold out and wait for one show up here in the U.S.

I also recently got a 1979 Fidelity "The Cl(oops!)ic" on eBay for $0.99. It powers on, but many of the squares are non-functional, although some work just fine. I wonder if anyone knows of a way to get it repaired.

Great forum. I'm glad I found it.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Tommy on June 30, 2006, 05:41PM

G'day Tracy,

I actually have my eye on the Tandy 1650 & 1850 eBay auction in Australia because I want the Tandy 1850 but I do not want the Tandy 1650. I already have a Tandy 1650 and I only want the Tandy 1850 so that I can repair my Scisys Turbo 16k. So, if I win this auction, I would be willing to send the Tandy 1650 to you at cost price if it still works out to be economically viable for you.

Cheers,
Tom.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Ismenio on July 1, 2006, 04:54PM

[quote author=TracyMiller link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg6440 date=1151683365]
It's bizzare how one can become attached to something like a chess computer. I'm waxing nostalgic, I guess. But many people develop this for all kinds of things, from Matchbox cars to Barbie dolls.

I recently got the chess computer bug, and am am(oops!)ing quite a collection. I got an RS 1850 on ebay for $5.99, and it plays and looks great. I have Excalibur's Grandmaster on the way.
[/quote]

Hi Tracy, and welcome. I, and I am sure many others here, know what feeling all too well ;)
And congratulations on your new acquisitions. Since you mentioned Barbie, you may want to take a look at this entry from Tom Luif's weblog: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/weblog/16APR05.html

[quote author=TracyMiller link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg6440 date=1151683365]
Also ordered Excalibur's King Arthur and Alexandra the Great chess games. Also Excalibur's LCD Chess Express. I have an RS 1650 on the way, but it is the peg-style game, not the RS 1650 pressure-sensitive board. There's one being auctioned now from Australia (along with the RS 1850, but I'm not so sure I want to pay shipping from there to Tennessee). Maybe I'll hold out and wait for one show up here in the U.S.

I also recently got a 1979 Fidelity "The Cl(oops!)ic" on eBay for $0.99. It powers on, but many of the squares are non-functional, although some work just fine. I wonder if anyone knows of a way to get it repaired.

Great forum. I'm glad I found it.
[/quote]

$0.99 for that Cl(oops!)ic certainly adds you to the list of those few privileged ones who have found deals like that! ;)

Would you consider trying to repair it yourself? Some here have tried that with success. Looks like your problem is with the sensors and that may not be too hard to fix. If you’re not comfortable doing that you could also try to find someone with some experience with electronics. There is also the possibility of sending it to Arno Kreuzberg in Germany but you have to consider the costs. Details here: http://schachcomputer.at/reparaturen.htm

We’re glad you found us! I found out that one of the best things about collecting the computers is sharing ideas, experiences and knowledge with fellow collectors. I’ve learned a lot from every single one of them. Be that a new collector or some who are doing this for decades.

Best regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: TracyMiller on July 25, 2006, 09:00PM

Whew! I finally found one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=006&item=160010756297&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1

$55, including shipping. Oh, well, I got the Radio Shack 1850 for about $13, including shipping. Go figure.

On an unrelated note, does anyone out there have the owner's manual for the RS 1850? I've looked everywhere I know to look. I'd be happy to reimburse someone for their time and efforts if they could photocopy and mail it to me, or scan it and email it to me.

Thanks for much for the wonderful community, Ismenio.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Larry on July 28, 2006, 01:40AM

Hi Ismenio,
Have you had a positive response to your request for an
owners' manual for an RS1850?
The reason I'm asking is that down here in Australia we
have a Tandy elsctronics store, where you have the 'Radio
Shack' store chain. I'm (oops!)uming you are in the US. Tandy have the "Tandy 1850" chess computer, and I've had a look at a picture of the RS1850 and I'm fairly certain it's the same
machine. Made in China under license for Radio Shack or Tandy. I've got a Tandy1850 with the owners' manual, and would be happy to email you a copy of it's contents, if you are interested.
Look forward to being able to help.

regards
Larry


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Larry on July 28, 2006, 01:44AM

Tracy,
Sorry I got a bit confused and directed my post to Ismenio by mistake :o

Larry


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: alainza on July 28, 2006, 03:11AM

Here is another 1650 Fast Response on ebay :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120013976558 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120013976558)

Alain


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: diane on November 17, 2006, 07:30AM

HI, I am hoping someone can help me find the directions, or the instructions booklet for the radio shack 1650. If someone has them and can copy them I will reimburse them, or if they can scan them and email I would so appreciate the help. This was given to my 11year old son, who likes chess, but we just can't figure out how to work the darn thing. Thank you for your time. Diane


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Homer Sapiens on December 8, 2006, 04:50PM

I have the instructions for that Radio Shack chess game and would be happy to send you a scanned copy.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: alainza on December 9, 2006, 12:47AM

Thanks, I don't have many Radio Shack manuals online.

My email is in my profile,

Best regards,
Alain


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: bobosse on December 9, 2006, 02:28AM


on 1163777443, diane wrote:

HI, I am hoping someone can help me find the directions, or the instructions booklet for the radio shack 1650. If someone has them and can copy them I will reimburse them, or if they can scan them and email I would so appreciate the help. This was given to my 11year old son, who likes chess, but we just can't figure out how to work the darn thing. Thank you for your time. Diane

Do you speak spanish ?
If yes, a manual for the 1650L is here:
http://support.radioshack.com/support_games/doc67/67647.pdf (http://support.radioshack.com/support_games/doc67/67647.pdf)


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: latco01 on December 23, 2006, 03:01PM

My son, who is 8 and loves chess, also got this game and I was hoping the very kind person who has the instructions would be so kind as to email me a copy?? I would be eternally grateful. latco01@ca.com is my email. Thank you so much!!! :)


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Overtom on December 23, 2006, 03:47PM

[quote author=latco01 link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg7887 date=1166914870]
My son, who is 8 and loves chess, also got this game and I was hoping the very kind person who has the instructions would be so kind as to email me a copy?? I would be eternally grateful. latco01@ca.com is my email. Thank you so much!!! :)
[/quote]
I know three Tandy/Radio Shack games named 1650, all to be seen at:

http://overtom.nl/chescom/EngTAN.html

I probably have the manual of at least one of them. It may be useful if you point out which computer you need the manual for.

With best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: PhilFromIT on May 8, 2007, 11:27AM


on 1166914870]
My son, who is 8 and loves chess, also got this game and I was hoping the very kind person who has the instructions would be so kind as to email me a copy?? I would be eternally grateful. latco01@ca.com is my email. Thank you so much!!! :)
[/quote, Overtom link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg7888 date=1166917646]
[quote author=latco01 wrote
:

I know three Tandy/Radio Shack games named 1650, all to be seen at:

http://overtom.nl/chescom/EngTAN.html

I probably have the manual of at least one of them. It may be useful if you point out which computer you need the manual for.

With best regards,

tom


Actually I am missing the manual to this one: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngTan1650.html (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngTan1650.html) It has 9 levels and plays quite well. Radio shack online only has the manual for the 1650L which is a slightly different model (and only in spanish).

Any help would be appreciated!

(marriage is hard on a guy's computer chess collection ;) )

-Phil


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Overtom on May 8, 2007, 12:45PM

[quote author=PhilFromIT link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg8895 date=1178648840]
Actually I am missing the manual to this one: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngTan1650.html (http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngTan1650.html) It has 9 levels and plays quite well. Radio shack online only has the manual for the 1650L which is a slightly different model (and only in spanish).

Any help would be appreciated!

(marriage is hard on a guy's computer chess collection ;) )

-Phil

[/quote]
Hello Phil,

I don't have the manual you need in English, but if you want I can make a copy of the French, Dutch or German manual. It's up to you which one.

With best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: spacious_mind on May 8, 2007, 03:23PM

I also do not have a manual for the 1650 Travel computer, but I think that the 1650 is the same as the Scysis Explorer. If someone else has both perhaps they could confirm this.

The Scysis Explorer has the following level settings:

0 - 2 sec/move
1 - 5 sec
2 - 15 sec
3 - 1 min
4 - 2 min
5 - 3 min
6 - 8 min
7 - 2 hours
8 - Infinite/problem mode

With regards to the 1650 Fast Response, I have noticed that there are 2 versions, 1 made for Tandy/Radioshack by Scysis and the other made by Saitek. When you place them next to each other you can tell a difference. The Saitek board looks a little more plasticky.

If you play 1.f3 on both they also do not reply with the same move, which makes me think that the software could be different or set differently.

If anyone knows more about these machines please share!! ;D

The Fast Response also have 9 levels but set differently.


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: spacious_mind on May 8, 2007, 06:51PM

[quote author=spacious_mind link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg8898 date=1178663020]
If you play 1.f3 on both they also do not reply with the same move, which makes me think that the software could be different or set differently.
[/quote]

I just finished a clone test on both my Fast Responses and my previous statement is incorrect, when I tried the 1.f3 test it may have been a different level setting or a fluke. They play identically.

However I added to this test my Companion II, RS1650 Travel and Scisys Explorer.

Everyone of these plays identically although they all respond with their moves at different times. All were set at 1min/move (which was a setting common to all machines) Companion II replies with its move very fast, Fast Response responds next, followed by Explorer and 1650 is last.

Based on this the true "Fast Response" champion would be Companion II ;D

It seems that Kaare Danielsen is the programmer for all these machines:

Companion II = Concord II = Explorer = Tandy/RadioShack Fast Response 1650 = Tandy/Radioshack 1650

Does anyone know of anymore which could be added to this list?


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: PhilFromIT on May 9, 2007, 06:15AM

[quote author=Overtom link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg8896 date=1178653515]
Hello Phil,

I don't have the manual you need in English, but if you want I can make a copy of the French, Dutch or German manual. It's up to you which one.

With best regards,

tom
[/quote]

I think spacious_mind answered my main questions about the unit which is what the different level settings are.

Thanks for the offer though!

-Phil


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: RavenJA on May 10, 2007, 11:21PM

Hello,

I'm looking to purchase a Radio Shack 1650 fast response computer on ebay and I have a question.

I've never seen this model in person but I've noticed that the pieces are stored in a compartment with a flip top lid. Does the piece compartment come separately or is it integrated into the machine?

Thank you,
James


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: Overtom on May 11, 2007, 03:36AM

[quote author=RavenJA link=board=1;threadid=860;start=0#msg8925 date=1178864475]
I've never seen this model in person but I've noticed that the pieces are stored in a compartment with a flip top lid. Does the piece compartment come separately or is it integrated into the machine?

Thank you,
James
[/quote]
Hello James,

As you correctly observed, the chessmen are indeed stored in a separate black plastic box measuring about 14 x 14 x 2 cm. This box was sold with the computer, but as you can see (or more accurately: cannot see ;)) in the picture, it does not form part of the computer itself.

For one moment I thought you were referring to the semicylindrical compartment at the far side of the computer. But that compartment - which I don't regard as Saitek's cleverest invention - is for batteries.



With best regards,

tom


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Title: Re:Radio Shack 1650
Post by: RavenJA on May 13, 2007, 07:30PM

Thanks for that information. I'll keep an eye out for a complete set with the plastic case ;)

James



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