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Print Page Chess Computer Community
    General Category => Discussions about Chess Computers => Message started by: carterdickson on September 29, 2006, 11:09AM
	

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Title: New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Carterdickson on September 29, 2006, 11:09AM

Hello

Have you heard about this ?

http://www.chessusa.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/83-N01.jpg


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Carterdickson on September 29, 2006, 11:13AM

Features:
Magnet Sensor Wooden Chess Board and Hand Carved Wooden Figures
Detachable LCD Screen (attach/detach at any point during game)
Menu access via the chessboard
Will connect to the PC to print/store/follow games
Adaptor Included
81 LEDs (each square has 4 LED Lights)
H8/300H RISC Style Processor with 56Kbyt Rom, 3K Ram, 20 MHz
64 Level Settings
Est. ELO rating (US) 2330
Opening book with approx. 24,000 halfmoves
Random, Easy, Sound, Game Review, Autoplay, Setup, Flip board functions


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: alainza on September 29, 2006, 12:04PM

the board looks really like an old Universal Chess Board...


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Ismenio on September 29, 2006, 04:46PM

It really does look like the old universal board but they list this one as something that can be pre-ordered now:

http://tinyurl.com/pohgt

From the page:

Code: 83-N01
Price:$349.95

Shipping Weight: 18.00 pounds
Product Material: Wood
King Height: 2 1/2"
Square Size: 1 3/8"
In/Out Stock: Available 10/26/2006
Pre-Order: Preorder now for immediate shipment upon arrival!


Interesting.

Regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Carterdickson on September 30, 2006, 12:25AM

Yes, the chessboard seems to be the old UCB.

But the detachable LCD screen seems to be new...( a little bit like the saitek "president")

And what about the program ? Is it the old sapphire 2 or a new one ?


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Ismenio on September 30, 2006, 05:29PM

Good question Etienne!

I will let someone with way more knowledge than I do answer that one. The specs are really from an old computer with a strong program:

H8/300H RISC Style Processor with 56Kbyt Rom, 3K Ram, 20 MHz
64 Level Settings
Est. ELO rating (US) 2330
Opening book with approx. 24,000 halfmoves

The processor is the one used in the Sapphire I believe but the clock speed was 26.6 MHz according to a flyer I have. The Jade II had a 20 Mhz one with an estimated ELO of 2660 (again, according to my flyer). Probably we can get good info via the Wiki or the Schachcomputer.info forum

Regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Carterdickson on October 1, 2006, 04:29AM

Hello Ismenio

Thanks for your answer.
I've seen that there is the same discussion here:

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=56975&t=7137


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Robert Weck on October 2, 2006, 12:04AM

Hello,

[quote author=Ismenio link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7107 date=1159662589]
I will let someone with way more knowledge than I do answer that one. The specs are really from an old computer with a strong program:

H8/300H RISC Style Processor with 56Kbyt Rom, 3K Ram, 20 MHz
64 Level Settings
Est. ELO rating (US) 2330
Opening book with approx. 24,000 halfmoves
[/quote]
But according to the ELO rating it seems to be the Star Ruby/Obsidian/Jade II-program as Novag also claims 2330 for the Star Ruby!

If it would be the Sapphire, then it should have more than 3 KB RAM!

But how about the bigger ROM? Could this only be the result of the bigger library? I don't think so...


best regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Ismenio on October 2, 2006, 06:57AM

Thanks for the replies guys. I haven't had a chance to look at the thread over in CCC but this looks intriguing 8)

Regards,

Ismenio


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Mike Watters on October 2, 2006, 03:07PM

I fear this is yet another example of recycling an old program with old hardware but the urge to get one is already strong. :(

They must run out of gemstones soon. ;D

Mike


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: goldorak on October 7, 2006, 03:11AM

[quote author=Mike Watters link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7121 date=1159826837]
I fear this is yet another example of recycling an old program with old hardware but the urge to get one is already strong. :(

They must run out of gemstones soon. ;D

Mike
[/quote]

Honestly who cares ? ;D
I mean finally, after what, 20 years one business (Novag) has understood that the dedicated chess computers were not a thing of the past.
Sure they are past their glory days, but they can still tap into the mainstream market and that is what Novag is doing. Selling a wooden chess computer (albeit with a not top of the line program) to people who would never spend in the first place 500-600+ $, or even 1000+$ (for a resurection modul).
The price is just right, and the program will be able to defeat 99% of mainstream players.
Those few 1% can go buying ex-world chess programs from the internet.
Kudos for Novag for this long due approach, booh to Saitek for not even taking out the bugs of the senator modul.
If I had to buy one between the Novag Citrine and the Exclusive Senator I know which one I would get. ;D
I only hope that once this chessboard come to europe, we wont get shafted with an horrible price. :P
Success for the Citrine can only mean that other dedicated computer chess companies will put new affordable products on the marketplace.
Everybody wins. 8)


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: alainza on October 7, 2006, 05:03AM

Goldorak,

you are right ! most of us criticize the fact that the program does not seem to be new nor very strong (anyway, it will be a lot stronger than me)... but must of us will order it anyway... and I already pre-ordered it ;D

best regards,

Alain


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: goldorak on October 8, 2006, 11:10AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7157 date=1160222628]
Goldorak,

but must of us will order it anyway... and I already pre-ordered it ;D

best regards,

Alain

[/quote]

Can I ask where did you pre-ordered it ? :o
I'm interested as well in getting one. 8)


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: alainza on October 8, 2006, 11:25AM

I ordered it from Niggemann, but I also saw it in one UK shop on line (London Chess Center perhaps ?)

best,

Alain


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: goldorak on October 8, 2006, 11:51AM

[quote author=Alain Zanchetta link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7167 date=1160331942]
I ordered it from Niggemann, but I also saw it in one UK shop on line (London Chess Center perhaps ?)

best,

Alain

[/quote]

Many thanks Alain, I'm going the Niggemann route also since it has a very very good price.
For once we europeans don't get shafted. ;D


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: PaulM on October 8, 2006, 04:50PM

You can also prerorder from Chessusa.com


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: goldorak on October 8, 2006, 05:05PM

[quote author=exabyte link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7169 date=1160351435]
You can also prerorder from Chessusa.com
[/quote]

Yes of course, but then we poor europeans have to pay shipping from the states + duty + taxes.
In italy we have 20% vat, so in the end it costs less to buy it in germany.
Hey, the EEC/European Union might as well have a purpose. ;D


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Mike Watters on October 9, 2006, 01:53AM

chessusa.com $349.95 = 278 Euros available 6th November? (plus 20% import charges total 333 Euros)

London Chess Centre 249.95 = 370 Euros available ?

Niggemann 275 Euros available 10th November ?


As usual the UK is the most expensive. :(


Mike


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: goldorak on October 9, 2006, 03:01AM


on 1160384020, Mike Watters wrote:

chessusa.com $349.95 = 278 Euros available 6th November? (plus 20% import charges total 333 Euros)

London Chess Centre 249.95 = 370 Euros available ?

Niggemann 275 Euros available 10th November ?


As usual the UK is the most expensive. :(


Mike



Talking about expensive, you know how much the Exclusive Senator is sold for in Italy ?
The official importer sells it for 799 .
Thats 540 :)
And its impossbile to find it for less.
You have to buy it in germany, france or even england. to get a better price ;D


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Wesley on January 3, 2007, 04:29AM

More kinds about Citrine...
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Zusammenf(oops!)end hier meine bisherigen Citrine-Ergebnisse (je 30 Sek./Zug):

Citrine - Fidelity Elite V 7/V 6 (je 1 Partie): 0 -2
Citrine - Mephisto Montreal 68000 (= Roma I): 1 - 1
Citrine - Mephisto Modena (= Dominator): 2 - 0
Citrine - Mephisto Montana (= GK 2000): 2 - 0

Entspricht einer ELO-Zahl von 2057 aus diesen Partien.

http://www.f27.parsimony.net/forum67615/messages/3909.htm



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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Robert Weck on January 3, 2007, 05:14AM

[quote author=Wesley link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7935 date=1167827350]
More kinds about Citrine...
---------------------------------------------


Zusammenf(oops!)end hier meine bisherigen Citrine-Ergebnisse (je 30 Sek./Zug):

Citrine - Fidelity Elite V 7/V 6 (je 1 Partie): 0 -2
Citrine - Mephisto Montreal 68000 (= Roma I): 1 - 1
Citrine - Mephisto Modena (= Dominator): 2 - 0
Citrine - Mephisto Montana (= GK 2000): 2 - 0

Entspricht einer ELO-Zahl von 2057 aus diesen Partien.

http://www.f27.parsimony.net/forum67615/messages/3909.htm
[/quote]
But why does Novag only claim a 10-ELO increase over the Obsidian? (and no increase compared to the Star Ruby)

If the Citrine would really be that much stronger, normally the companies are the first to claim (and exaggerate!) this...

I (oops!)ume, there will have to be many more games played, to come to a reasonable result!

When i take the match results of my Star Ruby and the Emerald cl(oops!)ic plus, i should come to the conclusion, that the ECP would be much stronger than the SR (despite the slower CPU):

ECP - SR: 6 - 4
ECP - Miami: 8 - 2
SR - Miami: 7,5 - 12,5

And after the first 10 games SR - Miami, the Miami was even leading with 7,5 - 2,5! :o

Or maybe i have a general problem with my Novags, as they perform relatively bad here! ;) (my Star Sapphire losing against a Polgar on the schachcomputer.info-Online tournament; and last year's result was even worse!)


Novag allergy regards,
Robert


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Title: Re:New wooden chessboard ?
Post by: Meca on January 3, 2007, 05:15AM

[quote author=Wesley link=board=1;threadid=972;start=0#msg7935 date=1167827350]

Citrine - Fidelity Elite V 7/V 6 (je 1 Partie): 0 -2
Citrine - Mephisto Montreal 68000 (= Roma I): 1 - 1
Citrine - Mephisto Modena (= Dominator): 2 - 0
Citrine - Mephisto Montana (= GK 2000): 2 - 0

Entspricht einer ELO-Zahl von 2057 aus diesen Partien.

[/quote]

Thank you, very interesting



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