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« on: July 28, 2005, 04:21AM »
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Quote from: Endspielgott on July 27, 2005, 11:57AM   

It is indeed hard to believe that this seller mixed up the description(s)...but the seller was not the owner as you already know from schacomputer.info . Apparently the seller did also not know that the pictures were not the original ones.

Yes, I just read it; they also apologized at Willi!

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Anyway...I´ll keep you posted if the Bavaria can be repaired on how.

Thank you, that would be really interesting!


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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2005, 09:54PM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on July 27, 2005, 04:32PM   


Common Christian! As our honorable moderator you should be setting the example in keeping this a G rated forum!

Do you know how different the system is from the Tasc one?



Ismenio,

I was so upset (about stupidity in general) when I wrote this post that the s-word just come naturally to my mind and somehow slipped out into my fingers and in the computers

Anyway I think the two piece recognition systems are quite different, but I do not know enough about the Bavaria (yet)...I´ll keep you posted.

All the best,

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2005, 07:09PM »
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You don't need to worry about your name here Dick
Just the bad words you wouldn't expect a chess player / collector to use 

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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2005, 06:03PM »
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I really like this *censored* feature


Common Christian! As our honorable moderator you should be setting the example in keeping this a G rated forum!
Yes, that's another nice feature of Boardnation. You can even customize the list of "bad" words that will be automatically screened out on posts


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Ismenio,

Just don't go wild with the censored words.  On one of the BMW forums I participate in, my first name is censored!

I have to put an underscore after my name, like Dick_ so that it will show up and not come out like [Oops!].

I don't understand why my name would be censored, do you?

Just call me Richard,

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2005, 04:32PM »
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I really like this *censored* feature


Common Christian! As our honorable moderator you should be setting the example in keeping this a G rated forum!
Yes, that's another nice feature of Boardnation. You can even customize the list of "bad" words that will be automatically screened out on posts

And thanks for the info on the Bavaria auctions! I would be curious to know how the guy gets those squares fixed. Do you know how different the system is from the Tasc one?

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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2005, 11:57AM »
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Robert,

of course I am not sure whether the Bavaria is easy to repair, but my friend Christian (yes!) is quite confident to get it fixed. He told me that under each square there is a combination of a coil and a magnet...to create the electric field which responses to the pieces.

Well thankgod this is not my problem.

It is indeed hard to believe that this seller mixed up the description(s)...but the seller was not the owner as you already know from schacomputer.info . Apparently the seller did also not know that the pictures were not the original ones.

Anyway...I´ll keep you posted if the Bavaria can be repaired on how.

Bierkrug regards,

Christian

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2005, 07:06AM »
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Well,

I just got new information concerning this auction:

It seems that the seller put a description part Bavaria Vancouver 68020, part Turniermaschine 68030 in the auction because he had both for sale!!!!

Strange behaviour and hard to believe! 

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I know this because the Bavaria recently appeared again at ebay, but the auction was closed shortly after having appeared, since there were some borrowed pictures and people felt cheated.

But a friend of mine wrote the seller an email, made an appointement (today) and bought a Bavaria for some 800 Euros. Apparently the Module Vancouver 68020 works properly, and the Bavaria board has three non working squares. It seems to be easy to repair these...

Are you sure? I haven't opened an Exclusive-board (i don't own a Bavaria! ), but when i look underneath mine it seems to be a little more difficult than opening a Super Mondial!

And is it all done with replacing a Reed-contact? I think, with the piece-recognition, there could be some more defective than just a few Reeds...

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And the guy who won the first auction (maitai is his ebay name as I recall) really got a full working Turniermaschine for some 2100 Euros.

But as you may have read on schachcomputer.info, one of the pics was "stolen" from Willi Hahn's site (http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de/sammlungmephisto.htm)

He asked the seller to remove this picture and got a very annoying answer! >:(

I would have been very caryfully to make a deal with this guy!

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Strange thngs happen in this world. And all this because the seller did not know jack (oops!) about chesscomputers ( he sold those two for somebody else....)!

I'm sure he could have got a lot more out of it, if he had done it right!

But that's his problem! 

Thank you for this info!


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Well,

I just got new information concerning this auction:

It seems that the seller put a description part Bavaria Vancouver 68020, part Turniermaschine 68030 in the auction because he had both for sale!!!!

I know this because the Bavaria recently appeared again at ebay, but the auction was closed shortly after having appeared, since there were some borrowed pictures and people felt cheated.

But a friend of mine wrote the seller an email, made an appointement (today) and bought a Bavaria for some 800 Euros. Apparently the Module Vancouver 68020 works properly, and the Bavaria board has three non working squares. It seems to be easy to repair these...

And the guy who won the first auction (maitai is his ebay name as I recall) really got a full working Turniermaschine for some 2100 Euros.

Strange thngs happen in this world. And all this because the seller did not know jack (oops!) about chesscomputers ( he sold those two for somebody else....)!

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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2005, 01:31AM »
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This is beginning to look as bad as the Tasc scam that keeps coming back to pester Clive Munro. I wonder if anyone has challenged this seller on the question of "borrowing" the photos?

Thanks for the info Robert.

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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 12:40AM »
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Hello Ismenio,

Quote from: Ismenio on July 11, 2005, 04:35AM   

Robert, I also noticed the short feedback history on both sides.


now there is a second bidder, which has only one feedback; and I am sure, that it's pure coincidence  , that this feedback is from the seller of the Bavaria!

Btw: the owner of the first picture is a member of the www.schachcomputer.info-community. You can see this pic on his homepage: http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de/sammlungmephisto.htm


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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2005, 05:37AM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on July 11, 2005, 04:35AM   

Robert, I also noticed the short feedback history on both sides. I have a question here, how would the Germans feel in general about a request for using an escrow service?

I don't know, I never used this!

But with such a valuable device, the seller would make it suspicious, if he refused it!

And here I would definitely recommend it!

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Not that I'm even dreaming about bidding on this auction but I'm just curious.

A Bavaria-Board and a 32-Bit Vancouver would be nice, but 2000 € are definitely too much for me too!

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Also, the seller seems to have a good knowledge of the Bavaria

This was my impression too (if he wasn't quoting it from somewhere)

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Interesting to read the part about the piece recognition system. Seems to be the very same system used by the Tasc computers.

The basic system surely is the same, but if it was realised identical to the Tasc?


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Grüße vom Bayern,

Ismenio

Grüße aus der Oberpfalz

Robert

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Thanks everyone for your replies. I think this is all great information!

Robert, I also noticed the short feedback history on both sides. I have a question here, how would the Germans feel in general about a request for using an escrow service?

Not that I'm even dreaming about bidding on this auction but I'm just curious.

Also, the seller seems to have a good knowledge of the Bavaria and I would imagine chess computers in general. Interesting to read the part about the piece recognition system. Seems to be the very same system used by the Tasc computers.

Grüße vom Bayern,

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Quote from: Mike Watters on July 11, 2005, 12:53AM   

Ismenio/Alain/Robert

Many thanks for helping us all with this information. The Bavaria was of course on my watch list but it is a non starter for me at 1,999 Euros.

Nevertheless it already has a bid.

Seller and bidder both have not many feedbacks...
Just mentioning it...


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Ismenio/Alain/Robert

Many thanks for helping us all with this information. The Bavaria was of course on my watch list but it is a non starter for me at 1,999 Euros.

Nevertheless it already has a bid.

The 1500 Euro Bavaria was with a Portorose London I think.

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Hello Ismenio,


Quote from: Ismenio on July 10, 2005, 08:17PM   


Ich verkaufe dieses Gerät als Bastlergerät, da die Anzeige nicht mehr läuft und beim Umzug mein Netzteil weggekommen ist! Leider habe ich nicht so viel Ahnung und auch keine Zeit  und Angst zum Aufschrauben, es kann aber nicht viel sein und als Netzteil kann man auch ein Universalnetzteil benutzen! Wenn sich einer ein bißchen auskennt, kann er das, so denke ich, problemlos beheben!

A computer translates it like this:

I sell this equipment as amateur handicraftsman equipment, since the announcement does not run any longer and got away with the removal my power pack! Unfortunately I do not have so much notion and also no time  and fear for screwing, it on can however not much be and as power pack can one also a universal power pack use! If a little is been versed, he can do that, then I think for repairing, problem-free!

Is he saying that there is a problem?

He says that the display isn't working and he has no adaptor! Therefore he is selling it as "not working"!

But the question is: Is this the only problem?

And why is he saying later in the text, that it is a 68030 with 36 MHz and 2 MB (sounds like a TM! (he is also mentioning the two vents!!))? 

On the pictures it looks like a normal 68020 32-Bit!!

Ok, maybe he was just quoting wrong...


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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2005, 11:31PM »
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Hi Ismenio,

I have three Bavaria sales in my database, all in 2004 :
Bavaria + Genius = 2011€
Bavaria + Genius (a few months later, I don't know if it was the same people as I did not track that in early 2004) = 2010 €
These two auctions have been to two top in my database until Christian sold a Turniermachine and then a Novag Robot has appeared.
The third one is
Bavaria + London = 1500 €

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I'm sure you guys have seen this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5217852279

I don't remember seeing a Bavaria on eBay before, maybe Alain has some on his database? I know they are not easy to find but the price seems kind of high to me and there's one paragraph that I don't quite understand. Could someone translate this for me?

Ich verkaufe dieses Gerät als Bastlergerät, da die Anzeige nicht mehr läuft und beim Umzug mein Netzteil weggekommen ist! Leider habe ich nicht so viel Ahnung und auch keine Zeit  und Angst zum Aufschrauben, es kann aber nicht viel sein und als Netzteil kann man auch ein Universalnetzteil benutzen! Wenn sich einer ein bißchen auskennt, kann er das, so denke ich, problemlos beheben!

A computer translates it like this:

I sell this equipment as amateur handicraftsman equipment, since the announcement does not run any longer and got away with the removal my power pack! Unfortunately I do not have so much notion and also no time  and fear for screwing, it on can however not much be and as power pack can one also a universal power pack use! If a little is been versed, he can do that, then I think for repairing, problem-free!

Is he saying that there is a problem?

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Umsonst ist er nicht,

aber verdammt günstig!!

Mephisto "Bavaria" Vancouver 32 bit

Hallo liebe Schachfreunde, hier bieten Sie auf einen Weltmeister!!

Ich verkaufe hier meinen guten Turnierschachcomputer Mephisto Vancouver, original im Bavaria Holzbrett mit 50 x 50 x 6 cm ! Die Königshöhe beträgt stolze 9 cm !

Das Brett ist rein äußerlich ähnlich dem München, hat aber eine vollautomatische Figurenerkennung! Dazu aber später mehr!

Das Vancouver Programm, das ausgereifteste Schachprogramm überhaupt, führte 1991 die lange Reihe des Engländers Richard Lang fort, als es zum siebten Mal vom 1. bis 19.Mai den Titel in der Schachcomputer-Mikro-Weltmeisterschaft verteidigte!

Danach kam die sehr gute 68030er Version im hier zum Verkauf stehenden Bavaria Brett mit 8 Megabyte Hash Tables nur als Komplettgerät auf den Markt! Lassen Sie sich also nicht in die Irre führen, wenn Ihnen jemand diesen hier angebotenen Vancouver Chip in einem anderen Brett anbietet!

Nun zur Figurerkennung:Dieses Brett, bietet Ihnen die wohl angenehmste Art, Schach gegen einen Computer zu spielen! Im Brett sind anstelle der üblichen Magnetsensoren, sogenannte Induktionsspulen integriert, welche selbständig die auf dem Brett befindlichen Figuren erkennen!  Dadurch gestaltet sich vor allem die Stellungseingabe besonders komfortabel, denn man braucht nur noch den Stellungseingabemodus zu wählen, die Figuren auf das Brett zu stellen, oder sie wieder zu entfernen!

Der Vancouver, in diesem Bavaria- Brett integriert, besitzt die größte, in einem kommerziellen Schachcomputer integrierte Eröffnungsbibliothek,welche mit 150000 Halbzügen angegeben ist! Dies wurde möglich, da der Eröffnungsspezialist Jeroen Noomen, von Hegner+Glaser, das ohnehin schon gewltige Repertoire des Vorgängers Mephisto Lyon  nochmals ergänzt hat !  Hinzu kommt noch, , daß die Eröffnungsbibliothek noch in sechs verschiedene Stile aufgeteilt ist: Normal, Mensch, Gambit, Klassisch, Modern und Blitz! Selbstverständlich läßt sich auch eine Turnierbibliothek zuschalten, in welcher der Computer nur Varianten spielt, die ihm besonders liegen! Wenn Ihnen das noch zu wenig ist, so können sie auch getrost nochmals 1000 Halbzüge Ihrer eigenen Lieblingsvarianten eingeben und sogar vorgeben, mit welcher Wahrscheinlichkeit der Zug gespielt werden, oder ob er nur als passive Antwort zur Verfügung stehen soll!

Muß der Vancouver einmal schon frühzeitig selbst überlegen, so merkt man schnell, warum das Programm, bzw. seine Vorläufer, so lange die Mikro-WM beherrscht haben. Der Vancouver besitzt eine aktive und druckvolle Spielweise ohne die eigene Sicherheit zu vernachlässigen. Auch merkt man schnell, daß das Programm sehr viel Wissen von Bauernstrukturen und Spielplänen in geschlossenen Stellungen besitzt. Taktisch finden sich praktisch keine "Löcher", was umso erstaunlicher ist, da der Vancouver ein hochseletives Programm ist. neben einer Brute-Force-Rechentiefe von durchschnittlich 4-6 Halbzügen auf der Turnierstufe werden erfolgsversprechende Varianten noch 12 Halbzüge tiefer untersucht, also 16-18 Halbzüge!
Überlebt der Gegner des Vancouver das Mittelspiel unbeschadet, ereilt ihn häufig im Endspiel sein Schicksal. Ohne Zweifel ist der Vancouver im Endspiel der stärkste Schachcomputer der Welt! Nicht nur wegen der Hash Tables werden wirklich erstaunliche Ergebnisse erzielt.

Noch faszinierender ist aber die Ausstattung des Computers: Neben den gewohnten Features wie der vor- und zurückspielbaren Partie, der kompletten Anzeige der Rechen-Informationen, der Sechs-Zeiten-Schachuhr oder frei editerbarer Spielstufen besitzt der Vancouver eine Reihe von Funktionen,die kein anderer Schachcomputer bietet: So lassen sich beim Vancouver eigentlich alle zusätzlichen Funktionen,die das Spiel beeinflussen, beliebig ein-und ausschalten! So etwa die Hash Tables, der Zufallsgenerator, die Aufgabefunktion, die selbst erstellte Eröffnungsbibliothek, der Schachlehrer, der Kontrollton, das Permanent Brain, die Infos, die Abfrage für die verbrauchte Bedienzeit, der Remisfaktor und, und, und....!

Bedient werden alle diese Funktionen über ein revolutionäres Cursor- System mit nur sechs Tasten (ENT, CL und vier Pfeiltasten), das zunächst ungewohnt erscheint, jedoch die Bedienung nach der Einarbeitung außerordentlich komfortabel und sicher macht. Des weiteren gibt es einen geradezu genialen Spielspeicher, in dem insgesamt 50 Partien abgelegt werden können. Davon 20Partien mit allen Einstellungen und Zeiten, die bei der Partie oder in der Stellung benutzt wurden!
Zusäzlich konnte ich auch noch ein paar Dinge einzustellen, deren Nutzen fraglich ist. So lassen sich etwa die Bauernstrukturen abstellen, die die Grundlage des enormen positionellen Wissens des Computers darstellen, oder es läßt sich die Wertigkeit für einzelne Figuren in gewissen Grenzen verändern, was sicher in manchen Stellungen zu unglaublichen Lösungszeiten führt, aber im Spiel doch zu mancherlei unliebsamen Überraschungen führen kann.
Wer also wert auf eine umfangreiche Ausstattung legt, für den gibt es eigentlich keine Wahl.
Nun bei so viel Licht, fällt zwangsweise auch irgendwo Schatten hin: Das große gespeicherte Wissen verlangsamt spürbar die Rechengeschwindigkeit. Vor allem im Blitzspiel kommt es nicht selten vor, daß der Computer nicht über den ersten Halbzug hinauskommt. Zwar verliert der Rechner auch in solchen Situationen nur überaus selten den Überblick, da die meisten Drohungen und Fehler des Gegners schon in der selektiven Suche gesehen werden, die ja auch bei nur einem Halbzug Brute-Force-Rechentiefe stattliche 12 Halbzüge beträgt, doch gerade im Zweikampf mit anderen Rechnern führt dies gelegentlich zu unnötigen Niederlagen.


Fazit: Vielleicht ist der Vancouver 32bit nicht mehr das stärkste erhältliche Programm auf dem Markt, aber das ausgereifteste und das am besten ausgestattete.

Wie faszinierend dieser Schachcomputer wirklich ist, werden Sie erst erfassen, wenn Sie ihn vor sich stehen haben! Sie werden merken, daß dieses Gerät wirklich die Krönung im Schachcomputerbau darstellt! Dieses tolle edle Holzbrett mit seinen 50x 50 cm, hat eine beeindruckende Gesamthöhe von 18,5 cm ( Königshöhe= 8,9cm!) !! Die beiden Ventilatoren, welche die Elektronik kühlen und ihren Dienst vernehmlich, aber nicht nicht unangenehm verrichten, werden Ihnen noch zusätzlichen Respekt einflößen!
Die Elektonik macht dabei den besonderen Reiz dieses Computers aus:  Ein 68030-Mikroprozessor von Motorola mit 36 MHz und 2 MB Hash-Tables sorgen für eine überlegene Rechenleistung, die effektiv drei- bis viermal so hoch ist wie die des Vancouver 68020, welcher sehr oft in den München Brettern nachgerüstet wurde! So erreicht der 68030er Vancouver eine ELO-Steigerung um 100 Punkte auf fast 2250 ELO. Der enormen Rechenleistung hatte auch so manchen internationale Großmeister nichts Gleichwertiges entgegenzusetzen!

Ich verkaufe dieses Gerät als Bastlergerät, da die Anzeige nicht mehr läuft und beim Umzug mein Netzteil weggekommen ist! Leider habe ich nicht so viel Ahnung und auch keine Zeit  und Angst zum Aufschrauben, es kann aber nicht viel sein und als Netzteil kann man auch ein Universalnetzteil benutzen! Wenn sich einer ein bißchen auskennt, kann er das, so denke ich, problemlos beheben!


Ach ja,: Gemäß EU-Recht: Dies ist ein Privatverkauf, Umtausch, Rücknahme und Gewährleistung sind ausgeschlossen! Spaßbieter werden grundsätzlich zur Anzeige gebracht und zahlen min 15% des Gebotes, sowie sämtliche Anwalts- und Folgekosten!  Der Versand der Ware erfolgt nur versichert nach Eingang des Geldes! ebay zahle ich, Verpackungs- und Versandkosten trägt der Käufer! Mit der Abgabe Ihres Gebotes erklären Sie sich mit diesen Bedingungen einverstanden!


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In vain is not it,

but condemns favorably!!

Mephisto "Bavaria" Vancouver 32 bits

, here you offer hello dear chess friends on a world champion!!

I sell here mean good tournament chess computer Mephisto Vancouver, original in the Bavaria holzbrett with 50 x 50 x 6 cm! The king height amounts to proud 9 cm!

The board is purely outwardly similar to the Munich, has however a fully automatic figure recognition! In addition however later more!

The Vancouver program, the matured chess program at all, continued 1991 the long number of the Englishman Richard long, when it defended the title in the chess computer micro world championship to the sieved mark from 1. to 19.Mai!

Afterwards the very good 68030er version came here in the Bavaria board with 8 megabyte of Hash Tables, standing to the sales, only as complete unit on the market! Leave thus not in err to lead, if someone offers this Vancouver chip in another board, offered here, to you!

Now to the figure recognition:This board, offers the probably most pleasant kind to you of playing chess against a computer! In the board so-called induction pick-up coils are integrated in place of the usual magnet sensors, which recognize independently the figures present at the board!  Thus above all the position input becomes particularly comfortable, because one needs to select only the position input mode to place the figures on the board or her again to remove!

The Vancouver, in this Bavaria board integrated, possesses the largest opening library integrated in a commercial chess computer,which is indicated as 150000 sections! This became possible, there the opening specialist Jeroen Noomen, by Hegner+Glaser, which again supplemented anyway already gewltige repertoire of the predecessor  Mephisto Lyon!  In addition it comes still, that the opening library is divided still into six different styles: Normally, humans, Gambit, classical, decaying and lightning! Also a tournament library can of course be connected, in which the computer plays only variants, which are appropriate for it particularly! If you the still too little is, then they can enter also confidently again 1000 sections of your own favourite variants and to even give, with which probability the course it is played or whether he is to be available only as passive answer !

If the Vancouver once already promptly must consider, then one notices fast, why the program, and/or its forerunners, so for a long time the micro WM to have controlled. The Vancouver possesses an active and pressureful play way without own security to neglect. Also one notices fast that the program possesses very much knowledge of farmer structures and play plans in closed positions. Practically no "holes" are tactical, which is the more amazing, since the Vancouver is a hochseletives program beside a Brute Force Rechentiefe of on the average 4-6 sections on the tournament stage becomes success-promising variants of still 12 sections below examined, thus 16-18 sections!
If the opponent of the Vancouver survives the central play without prejudice to, frequently in the final game its fate overtakes it. Without doubt the Vancouver is in the final game the strongest chess computer of the world! Only because of the Hash Tables really amazing results are not obtained.

Still more fascinatingly is however the equipment of the computer: Apart from the used features as pre and the Vancouverpossesses rewindable portion, the completeannouncement of the computing information , the six-time chess clock or freely editerbarer play stages a set of functions, which no other chess computer offers: Thus all additional functions, which affect the play, can actually be switched off at will ein-und with the Vancouver! So for instance the Hash Tables, the random number generator, the task function, provided opening library, the chess teacher, the control clay/tone, permanently the Brain, the information, the inquiry for the used up control time, the Remisfaktor and, and, and....!

All are served these functions over a revolutionary cursor system with only six keys (ENT, CL and four arrow keys), which first appear unusual, however the operation after training extraordinarily comfortable and safe makes. The moreover there is an almost ingenious play memory, in which altogether 50 portions can be put down. Of it 20Partien with all attitudes and times, which were used with the portion or in the position!
I could also still adjust Zusaezlich a few things, whose use is questionable. Thus for instance the farmer structures can be turned off, which represent the basis of the enormous positional knowledge of the computer, or the priority for individual figures within certain limits can be changed, which leads reliably in some positions to unbelievable solution times, but in the play nevertheless to various unpleasant surprises to lead can.
Who puts thus worth on extensive equipment, for there is actually no choice.
Now with so much light, shade falls down obligatorily also somewhere: The large stored knowledge slows noticeably the computing speed down. Particularly in the lightning play it occurs not rarely that the computer beyond the first section. The computer loses the overview also in such situations only extremely rarely, since the most threats and error of the opponent are already seen in the selective search, which amounts to also with only one section Brute Force Rechentiefe stately 12 sections, but this leads straight in the duel with other computers occasionally to unnecessary defeats.


Result: Perhaps the Vancouver 32bit is not any more the strongest available program on the market, but the matured and the best equipped.

How fascinatingly this chess computer is real, you will only seize if you stand it before itself have! They will notice that this equipment really represents the coronation/culmination in the building of chess computers! This mad noble holzbrett with its 50x 50 cm, has an impressing overall height of 18,5 cm (king height = 8,9cm!) !! The two fans, which perform electronics cool and their service vernehmlich, but not not unpleasantly, become you still additional respect would flow!
The Elektonik constitutes thereby the special attraction of this computer:  One 68030-Mikroprozessor von Motorola with 36 MHz and 2 MT Hash Tables provide for a superior arithmetic performance, which is effectively three to four times as high as those of the Vancouver 68020, which very often into the Munich boards one re-tooled! Thus the 68030er Vancouver reaches an ELO increase around 100 points on nearly 2250 ELO. Nothing equivalent had to oppose also so some international large master to the enormous arithmetic performance!

I sell this equipment as amateur handicraftsman equipment, since the announcement does not run any longer and got away with the removal my power pack! Unfortunately I do not have so much notion and also no time  and fear for screwing, it on can however not much be and as power pack can one also a universal power pack use! If a little is been versed, he can do that, then I think for repairing, problem-free!


Oh,: in accordance with your-genuinly: This is a private sales, a conversion, a cancelling and a guarantee is impossible! Spassbieter are brought in principle to the announcement and pay min 15% of the requirement, as well as all lawyer and subsequent costs!  The dispatch of the commodity effected only insures after receipt of the money! ebay pay I, packing and forwarding expenses carry the buyer! With the delivery of your requirement you explain yourselves in agreement with these conditions!

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