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Re:Computer Openings?
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Quote from: Mike Watters on December 18, 2006, 11:51AM   

Hi Sherwood

I went to the Hydra / Mickey Adams match at Wembley. You will remember that Hydra slaughtered Adams. During the break there was a discussion and the Hydra team made the point that they do not use any book openings deeper than 15 moves. This is because they believe that Hydra can improve on theory and would be weaker if it stuck to book any longer than that.

Because I do not follow computer chess (as opposed to chess computers) I am not sure, but I was under the impression that computers are starting to find stronger lines. Hydra did v Adams.

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Does anyone have the exact quote from the Hydra team about improving upon book openings?
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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2006, 12:08PM »
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Thanks Mike, thats an interesting comment about Hydra and the 15 rule limit on openings...I did not know that but it makes sence. Of course after only 15 moves most peices are still on the board - that is alot of number crunching!
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Re:Computer Openings?
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Quote from: Mike Watters on December 18, 2006, 11:51AM   

I was under the impression that computers are starting to find stronger lines. Hydra did v Adams.



I agree with you on that one. Computers still have big problems on the first 10-15 moves and sometimes even longer. But they are slowly starting to get better in the opening phase of the game as the programmes improve and processors get faster. It will still be a long time (if ever?) though untill we see a chess computer that doesn't use an opening book at all.

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Re:Computer Openings?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2006, 11:51AM »
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Hi Sherwood

I went to the Hydra / Mickey Adams match at Wembley. You will remember that Hydra slaughtered Adams. During the break there was a discussion and the Hydra team made the point that they do not use any book openings deeper than 15 moves. This is because they believe that Hydra can improve on theory and would be weaker if it stuck to book any longer than that.

Because I do not follow computer chess (as opposed to chess computers) I am not sure, but I was under the impression that computers are starting to find stronger lines. Hydra did v Adams.

All the best
Mike
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2006, 11:36AM »
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I was wondering with the advent of end game "tablebases" and bigger, faster memory and advance of computers in chess, that they even now beat Kramnik. I have a question.

Why can't computers think up better "openings" - they still use humans "book" openings from 15th Century like Ruy Lopez and Queen Gambit Accepted. I mean these opening are good and everything, but you would think that computers could improve on some - they seems to be improving on everything else.

I mean when is the day coming when we will see openings named like this "Fritz 17 Gambit 2.3"
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