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Re:TalkChess.com: it´s simple. CITRINE UCB = CITRINE -E
« on: March 10, 2007, 03:35PM »
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Not is necesary more words...

You can see here THAT NOT EXITS any diferent among (between ?) CITRINE  & CITRINE UCB... exits models whit this errors, NOVAG say that all citrines previus 2007 have this error, and need a pacht it...

...this means that it is not new but rather this repaired

I don´t like a Computer chess second Hand... I will not send my citrine to reparer... I like more my finished board wood. of UCB.


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autor: MECA
MY UNIT HAS THE SAME BUGS

My board is not the UCB recicled:

the first problem is:

1. e4, e5
2.Cf3, Cc6
3.Ac4, Ac5
4.Cc3, Cf6
5.d3,
Cxe4

The other problem is:

1. e3, d5 (human plays with black)
2. d4 and "crash", I need a hard reset to resolve this problem.

Serial number 188468

Be careful with serial numbers close to 188xxx



Very good post... this is the confirmation that we need, because some people don't want to believe to novag when they say that all previus CITRINE (date 02-2007) need a pacht...

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1161
if you remeber, perphaps you can post the other number:  (on LCD... or board)

a lot of thanks for you courage...

SOME Body have this courage to post IT his NUMBER serial courage or not courage ?? that can help other users when they go to buy a "new" computer ...
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Re:TalkChess.com: Steve B : CITRINE = CITRINE UCB .
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2007, 11:38AM »
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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on March 10, 2007, 04:10AM   

Hi,


Quote from: KarmaZen on March  9, 2007, 09:59PM   

i'm thinking that some people web's not say all the true ...
perphaps exist this error in all models but some people dedicate collections chess computer not say true...


as I did the tests you asked and the posted my results which did not show the errors you are mentioning, then this post means that you consider that I am lying.


Excuse me Alain, I said "SOME people not say all true"...
I don´t say that " ALL people".


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author=Alain Zanchetta
...Before becoming fully paranoiac and insulting everybody, you should try to consider who has more interest to hide something or lie : Novag with its 200 computers ? collectors ?


Hi, Alain... but Why don´t you say before that "Niggemann" daleyed you delivery of Citrine... perphaps if you say in the past that "some" CItrine need a patch a lot of people not buy in previus time ;-)...

(novag not know this error previus "2007", and stopping producttion that.)


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author=Alain Zanchetta
False collector which sell computers could have an interest to lie... if the Citrine was not anymore in store, but now.... I don't see the point. In addition, I have never sold a chess computer


I think that "some" people know the diferents in CITRINES not is the "leyend" UCB... I think that there are these problems in All model previus a DATE determinate...
NOT exist "pre oficial" versions... (exist only a 1 CITRINES, all models bugs, and NOW are "pacht it".)


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author=Alain Zanchetta
If you treat of liar those which answer your questions, then do not be surprised if you don't get answers anymore.
Alain


OK... If you thinking that... but I only say the true... "people" that ( Stefen & company ) that only thinking that "only his friendlys whit a "lot of post" can do test computers chess...


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author=Alain Zanchetta
PS : as a final word, I'll add this : last december, Niggemann delayed  the delivery of my Citrine because they had to appy a patch to it...

(then, you can a "not new" citrine, it´s modificate to Niggemann.)

Hi, Alain... but Why don´t you say before that "Niggemann" daleyed you delivery of Citrine... perphaps if you say in the past that "some" CItrine need a patch a lot of people not buy in previus time 02-2007;-)...

Only thinkink this:

IF novag don´t know these errors how it it posible that "reparar" it previus... and IF NOVAG know this errors Why a lot of people "veteran" and collections chess computer not "say" previus this

I only afirm that some people NOT write all the TRUE ¡

Exits a lot of CITRINES UCB whit that "error".

and EXist a lot of CITRINES (not UCB) that have this error too.

because only "the last productions of citrines are "verificate" that´s.

A lot of people in forums Afirms that CITRINES UCB (not are finish versions, AND this is a very big "lie", ( his time test in BT are identical to citrine).

The "leyend" UCB not indicate a "pre final" version...
perphap a lot of CITRINES "whitout" that leyend have this error.

And ? in the last test I do I can see that "times" are identical.
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NOVAG´s afirm that only Today have "one version of his program"...

Who is say the TRUE novag or USERS .

I will do a new revision post, and I indicate in this post "the SERIAL NUMBER" of citrines... all citrines have "back LCD" the serial number and HIS LEVEL.

PD: I don´t say that YOU don´t say the true... I say only that "SOME" people not say the information COMPLETY.

bye...

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Re:TalkChess.com: Steve B :stupid see or silly looking. CITRINE = CITRINE UCB .
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2007, 04:10AM »
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Hi,


Quote from: KarmaZen on March  9, 2007, 09:59PM   

i'm thinking that some people web's not say all the true ...

perphaps exist this error in all models but some people dedicate collections chess computer not say true...


as I did the tests you asked and the posted my results which did not show the errors you are mentioning, then this post means that you consider that I am lying.

Before becoming fully paranoiac and insulting everybody, you should try to consider who has more interest to hide something or lie : Novag with its 200 computers ? collectors ?

False collector which sell computers could have an interest to lie... if the Citrine was not anymore in store, but now.... I don't see the point. In addition, I have never sold a chess computer

If you treat of liar those which answer your questions, then do not be surprised if you don't get answers anymore.

Alain

PS : as a final word, I'll add this : last december, Niggemann delayed  the delivery of my Citrine because they had to appy a patch to it...
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Re:TalkChess.com: difame reviews. CITRINE = CITRINE UCB .
« Reply #3 on: March 9, 2007, 09:59PM »
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hi,

i'm thinking that some people web's not say all the true ...

perphaps exist this error in all models but some people dedicate collections chess computer not say true...

why novag send enginners come to spain to software UPDATE? they say that all citrines are =. if only was a citrine UCB error, only need change it for the others... but not... NOVAG SPAIN say that "all citrines" have the error...

i test two models in speed  test and have similar levels time. ( 32 seconds and 6 minutos y 55 seconds ) perphaps is a little so fast CITRINE UCB that CITRINE.
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novag don't know the two Bugs previus feb moth. 02-07.
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then ? hoW is posible the previus citrines and not ucb have not similar program?

the vers 2.0 of program not is ready today...

a lot of LIES .... A LOT OF LIES and some little trues.
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TalkChess.com:not Difame reviews it´s simple. CITRINE UCB = CITRINE.
« Reply #4 on: March 9, 2007, 04:27PM »
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You can see How many stupids person in that Forum that NOT evaluate "a good find" error in CITRINE, because I´m not have enought POST for him.

I´m very unhappy, and I´m hate that persons that only like difame other "review".
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DIFAME post:

http://216.25.93.108/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=102864&t=12209

origin post:
http://216.25.93.108/forum/viewtopic.php?topic_view=threads&p=102839&t=12209
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Hello,
I am currently running a 20-games match Novag Emerald classic plus vs Mephisto Miami.

Yesterday (Miami had the white pieces) they played 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 and Emerald started thinking!

As this is a rather common opening, i checked it with my other ECP-like computers (Star Ruby and Jade II) and they also did not know it!

Novag seems to have very often problems with the libraries! (i remember the problems with the first version of the Star Diamond)

The first version of the Citrine (with "Universal Chessboard" lettering) also is buggy (http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1151 and http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1154)

Now i would like to know, if the two Citrine-versions have 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 in their books!
This would be a good point for Citrine's extended library!
Thank you very much!
Robert

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His "FANTASTIC" post... ( and he don´t know if NOVAG spain tell whit me or not... )
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[author="Steve B"]
"Robert Weck"]Hello,
ok i went to the link you posted
it seems that this pre-released version of Citrine is owned by someone from Spain.


FALSE, incorrect . This CITRINE have a number serial correct, and have two long years of guarranty.


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author="Steve B"
how he got this pre-released version is unclear
perhaps the retailer in Spain sold him a demo model ??
or a model they received for marketing purposes??


Not... this is a finish shop CITRINE.


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author="Steve B"
also i dont know this fellow making all of the noise about his poor Citrine has he posted before on that site before ALL of his poor Citrine posts?


NOT IS only my CITRINE UCB... in a lot of people in the word, have similar ERROR, in open ( 1.e4,e5; 2.Cf3,Cc6; 3.Ac4,Ac5; 4.Cc3,Cf6; 5.d3, and (citrine ucb move Cxe4)

And a lot of people have: this other Error CRahs.

1.e3,d5 ( if novag citrine not move d5, force it, in take back).
2.d4, & crash system...
(this is a error program bucle)

(perphaps you dont like that ´we see this error previus you... but I post in in this fanstastic forum, because I like help people whit similar problem)


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author="Steve B"
does anyone on that site know this guy before his Citrine posts??
Very Skeptical Regards
Steve
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YEs you can read this:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/novag-citrine-review-pc-comands-inside-cpu-protocol-test-vt61.html
AND YOU CAN read this:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/dos-versiones-de-citrine-two-versions-of-citrine--vt72.html
and YOU can read this:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/tremendo-error-de-programacion-de-la-citrine-vt88.html
and YOU can read this too:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/novag-test-bt-2450-y-bt-2630-citrine-ucb-elo-19772025-vt98.html
and:
http://meca.mundoforo.com/copias-de-test-bt-2630-y-bt-2430-vt96.html

and in THIS forum:

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1154

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1157

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1155

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1151

http://users.boardnation.com/~chesscomputers/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=1118

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Perphaps... the "letter" = S on his name is because his REAL name not is Steve B, if not ...
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The correct post for robert was:


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author=Robert

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Steve B wrote:
also i dont know this fellow making all of the noise about his poor Citrine
has he posted before on that site before ALL of his poor Citrine posts?
does anyone on that site know this guy before his Citrine posts??


hm, he made 38 postings until now, so he is not new to this forum...

And on his website he has many interesting facts and photos about the Citrine:

http://meca.mundoforo.com/novag-citrine-review-pc-comands-inside-cpu-protocol-test-vt61.html

Although i must admit, that i don't understand Spanish... 
but it shows, that he is interested in the Citrine
clueless regards,
Robert

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And the HORRIBLE post of Steve B.
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author="Steve B"
38 posts
pffft on a good day..you and i can make 50 posts
hmmm


I don´t NEED do 50 post every DAY... because I like ONE or TWO but this post HELP PEOPLe...

if all your post are similar this... obiusbly I would can do 99 post on every DAY--- You are confuse because You don´t like my post´s. spains word: "ENVIDIA"


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author="Steve B"
the very first photo on this site shows TWO Lcd display attachments??


Quote:

author="Steve B"
there is something very fishy with this so-called Citrine computer
Illegal Clone Regards?
Steve



YOU are REAL STUPID question =?:  all people in the word CAN see that in the table the are the BOX (case) of CITRINE oficial board¡¡¡

there aren´t Two lcd THERE are ONE LCD, and the second is a "image" of BOX retail CITRINE.

see you ¡¡¡, or perphas you know THIS but your interesting is "DIFAME" that post ...

You are a ilegal clone of person... I´m sure it.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5638/novagtwolcdiisb2.jpg


http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2086/novagtwolcdgc8.jpg



OK you are not a good eyes... need a news looking revision.
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The fantastic respond of: Bryan Whitby
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author=Bryan Whitby

Hi Robert
Here's an email from the Novag boss, Jeannine that I received today about my Citrine Universal Electronic Chess Board opening book errors.

Dear Bryan,
Thank you for your email.
We have immediately checked the program and created a software fix -apologies for all the inconvenience caused!
We would prefer it if you could send the board to us, because upgrading the program involves taking the board apart and soldering some points on the PCB.
Can you either send the board to Spain (we will be there all next week, 12-16 March) or to Hong Kong?
If you feel however that it would be no problem for you to do the
upgrading yourself, we would be happy to send you the instructions.
Thank you!
Jeannine
Perfect Technology Ltd.

I have asked Jeannine if she could send me the hardware fix instructions and the software update file so I can do it myself.


ANd hi asked it, because I ( karmazen & oliver) write in this forum previus: , that one enginery of novag will go to spain next weekend, and NOvag spain distribuitor say me that perphaps is posible "actuality" software in house.. clients if thay want do that....
Bryan read me previus, and He not say that I say lies, I write only that other people say me... OK ? Mr Stefen "B"...


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author=Bryan Whitby
Another email from Jeannine states
Please be assured that your Citrine is exactly the same as all the other
Citrines. The difference is that yours came from the first production run that all had the additional "Universal Electronic Chess Board" wording.

Regards
Bryan

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Novag send a Enginery to SPAIN next weekend, because HIS distribuitior have near of 200 CITRINE units in stock and THEy can not send to clients that want BUY it, because have thats "errors". ( NOT ONLY MY UNIT... ¡¡¡)

are you understand... ?-. YEs ¡ you understan in first moment, but you don´t like say that.

This error was "find" in spain, bye a user: "Srk" in "meca forum"... ( italian open chess) and the other error was find by me ( oliver) in open irregular "1. e3"
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OK ? you only NEED a BIG and good POST, not need do 50 post every day ¡¡¡

best hellos,

since Spain Oliver.


PD: NOVAG spain say me a lot of thanks because Thankns I send and call they : THEY not send 200 CITRINE to market in spain and Italy... whit a "error" masive.

If you Don´t like my post about NOVAG, or novag not like they, Them they Must REVISATE correctly all modelms for the clients.

300 €... it´s a lot of money for that...
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