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Re:New Novag Robot
« Reply #20 on: January 3, 2008, 04:55AM »
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I know at least one very good player who has at least a Sapphire II, a Risc II and a Vancouver.

He has a lot of fun playing with these machines and comparing the different game styles. We had a long talk where he spoke of these machines with respect - like strong opponents he knows well.

He also use the Novag Universal Chess Board with some PC software but  not a DGT (because you need to watch the PC screen with a DGT).

So probably chessbase is a better tool to become a champion, but you can not become a champion without being passionate and have fun. And a strong wooden chess computer is part of the fun.

I really hope that Novag will change their mind and include again some stronger software in the Citrine or the Robot.
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« Reply #21 on: January 2, 2008, 09:43AM »
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Quote from: goldorak on January  2, 2008, 09:30AM   


Real serious chess players nowadays use computers, even the old dedicated chess computers can't compete.
The oldies are mostly bought because of nostalgia or for collector purpose.

surely not! many (if not most) of my german collector mates from .info do play with their dedicated computers!

And with SSDF ratings up to 2300 (not counting Ruud's machines here!) they are strong enough to compete even with very strong players. Of course not with GM's, but how many of us here, are strong enough to win clearly against a R30 or a Genius 68030?

Even a Milano, Roma 68000 or GK2100 might be strong enough for most of us here (at least for me, they surely are!  )

I use Rybka & Co only for analyzing...


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« Reply #22 on: January 2, 2008, 09:30AM »
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Quote from: Meca on January  1, 2008, 05:09PM   

Oh, that are good news.

Yes, as Excalibur Phantom it seems that this computers are for the "mass market" and perhaps is not so important to have a strong program due to the nice "show" or the entertainment they offer 


Real serious chess players nowadays use computers, even the old dedicated chess computers can't compete.
The oldies are mostly bought because of nostalgia or for collector purpose.
The only dedicated chess computer that could rival some pure software engines is Ruud's Martins Phoenix and it costs several thousand €.
Now ask yourself just how many people are going to buy it ? 20, 30 ?
I'm not sure even 100 sales are going to be attained.

Even the Citrine which doesn't cater to top end chess players costs something between 275-400 €.
And at least Novag fixes the bugs in the engine through several releases.
Did you ever see Saitek fixing the senator program ? And it was it top program for several years, after the magellan module. 
This is aimed at the casual player, because a real strong player is better of with dgt board and a very top of the line chess engine.
All this to say that I can't blame these companies for releasing "mass" products.
Kudos to Novag for actually releasing something. 

When  this board openend several years ago, people were complaining that historical chess computer companies were no longer putting out new products (cfr Saitek case with the senator board) and of course Novag.
I said at that time that the way of the future was to do a low cost version of the autosensory wooden boards way before the citrine was ever announced.
Novag is still here, Saitek no. 
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« Reply #23 on: January 1, 2008, 05:09PM »
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Oh, that are good news.

Yes, as Excalibur Phantom it seems that this computers are for the "mass market" and perhaps is not so important to have a strong program due to the nice "show" or the entertainment they offer 
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« Reply #24 on: January 1, 2008, 09:42AM »
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Bravo pour le français Bryan !!!


Quote from: Mephisto on January  1, 2008, 03:54AM   

Bonjour Alan. J'espère que vous n'aviez pas trop de cet excellent vin hier soir.

Bourgogne Bonnes-Mares 1992 


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Novag m'ont dit qu'ils avaient l'intention de vendre pour environ 100 euros! Car il est destiné aux enfants d'apprendre à jouer aux échecs et ils vont comme le bras robotique.

Unbelievable price ! Will the original Novag Robot fall on next ebay sales



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Malheureusement, Jeannine n'a pas dit quand il sera disponible. De toute évidence, il expose à Hong Kong et à Nuremberg le jouet commerçants pourrait indiquer une sortie de printemps ou d'été?

Thanks, I am looking forward it and will by it whatever the release date is !

Best regards,
Alain
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« Reply #25 on: January 1, 2008, 03:54AM »
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Bonjour Alan. J'espère que vous n'aviez pas trop de cet excellent vin hier soir.
Novag m'ont dit qu'ils avaient l'intention de vendre pour environ 100 euros! Car il est destiné aux enfants d'apprendre à jouer aux échecs et ils vont comme le bras robotique.
Malheureusement, Jeannine n'a pas dit quand il sera disponible. De toute évidence, il expose à Hong Kong et à Nuremberg le jouet commerçants pourrait indiquer une sortie de printemps ou d'été?
Regards
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Re:New Novag Robot
« Reply #26 on: January 1, 2008, 03:47AM »
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Wow this is exciting news indeed.
Who said that dedicated chess computers were a dying breed ? 
I'm actually more impressed by this robotic chess computer than the excalibur phantom.
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« Reply #27 on: January 1, 2008, 03:45AM »
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Great !

Do you have a precise idea of its availability schedule ? (in Europe of course  )

Best regards and Happy new year again,
Alain
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New Novag Robot
« Reply #28 on: January 1, 2008, 03:31AM »
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Happy New Year to everyone and what better way to celebrate than to announce that Novag will be releasing a new robotic chess computer this year called 2ROBOT.
It will retail under the "Perfect Chess by Novag" brand name and will be exhibiting next week in Hong Kong and then also at the Nuernberg toy fair.
I have been testing it for Novag over the past few weeks and my photos are available at the following link
http://novagbw.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!
Plus there is a video on YouTube.com if you just type in 2Robot in the search area.
2Robot is aimed at the mass toy market so the actual program is the same as the Star Beryl which unfortunately isn't very strong.
Enjoy
Bryan
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