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Re:citrine v.s MMC
« on: July 28, 2008, 06:38PM »
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I played 4 more games to go to a 10 game match but the games 8,9 and 10 i change the settings of the master chess to put it at full strength (ps0) and mephisto won those 3 last games. I still believe that citrine can play stronger but not on the average time level (AT). I am glad you enjoy the game.

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Re:citrine v.s MMC
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 10:31AM »
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I've just replayed your game between Master Chess and Citrine on the board of my Atlanta. Very interesting. Thanks for the faultless notation. Everything is correct.

I find move 29. ... f5 by Citrine pretty beautiful. A pawn sacrifice in order to get a good square for the knight e7. Afterwards the white king's-side position felt somewhat unhappy and white gave one of his rooks for the knight.

Unfortunately black couldn't draw the best out of his advantage and repeated far too often moves with his queen and the a-rook.

After move 61. Ke6 (Knight e6) the overwhelmingly better position of white could plainly be seen. Move 69. ... Rc8 shows clearly to me the short-sightedness of Citrine in this part of the game.

My Atlanta also plays at level five seconds per move most of your Master Chess' moves. I wonder why the manual of your computer doesn't have any explanation on how to take moves back.

A really nice game. Thanks for the effort to publish it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 12:09PM »
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Citrine got an early advantage and it took away the g pawn and uncover the king, but then after the trade of the rook for the knight and with the d5  and c6 pawns and latter the f and g pawn again wins the game. Another thing we have to have in mind is that this was a 5 sec level game and there is not much room for strategy. Good game for mephisto it shows how strong can pawns be.
Sorry it was all set up but when i post the game it got mix up but can still be replayed.

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Re:citrine v.s MMC
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 11:53AM »
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                MMC                      CITRINE

1)    C2-C4        F7-F5
2)    D2-D4        G8-F6
3)    B1-C3        D7-D6
4)    G1-F3        E7-E6
5)    E2-E3        F8-E7
6)    F1-D3        O-O
7)    O-O        B8-C6
    D1-B3        E6-E5
9)    C4-C5        G8-H8
10)    D4-D5        C6-A5
11)    B3-A4        E5-E4
12)    A4XA5                    E4XF3
13)    C5-C6                     F3XG2
14)    G1XG2                    B7-B6
15)    A5-A4                    A7-A6
16)    F2-F3                    D8-E8
17)    F1-G1                    E8-H5
18)    A4-F4                    H5-F7
19)    F4-D4                  F7-G6+
20)    G2-H1                  G6-H5
21)    D4-F4                  H5-F7
22)    F4-C4                  F7-H5
23)    G1-G3                  A6-A5
24)    B2-B3                  C8-A6
25)    C4-D4                  A6XD3
26)    D4-D3                  F6-G8
27)    C1-B2                  E7-F6
28)    A1-G1                  G8-E7
29)    D3-D1                  F5-F4
30)    E3XF4                  E7-F5
31)    G3-G4                  F5-E3
32)    D1-D3                  E3-G4
33)    F3XG4                  H5-H4
34)    G4-G5                  F6-D8
35)    C3-E2                  F8-E8
36)    D3-D4                  E8-E7
37)    E2-G3                  H4-G4
38)    G1-F1                  B6-B5
39)    D4-D3                  E7-F7
40)    F1-E1                  D8-E7
41)    G3-E2                  A8-B8
42)    A2-A3                  H8-G8
43)    B3-B4                  A5XB4
44)    A3XB4                  E7-D8
45)    E1-A1                  F7-E7
46)    A1-E1                  G4-H5
47)    B2-C3                  B8-A8
48)    C3-D2                  A8-A2
49)    H2-H3                  H5-E8
50)    H1-G1                  E8-H5
51)    G1-H1                  H5-H4
52)    H1-G1                  E7-E8
53)    E1-D1        G8-H8
54)    E2-D4        H4-H5
55)    D1-F1        H8-G8
56)    D2-C1        A2-A4
57)    D3XB5                    A4-A2
58)    B5-C4        A2-A8
59)    G1-G2        E8-E4
60)    C4-D3        E4-E8
61)    D4-E6        E8-E7
62)    F4-F5        H5-E8
63)    F5-F6        A8-A2+
64)    G2-H1        G7XF6
65)    D3-C4        A2-A8
66)    G5XF6                    E8-H5
67)    E6-F4        H5-E5
68)    F6-E7        D8-E7
69)    F4-E6        A8-C8
70)    C4-G4+                    G8-H8
71)    E6-G5                    E5XD5+
72)    H1-G1                    D5XG5
73)    C1XG5                    C8-A8
74)    G5XE7                    H7-H6
75)    E7-F6+                    H8-H7
76)    G4-G7++       
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Re:citrine v.s MMC
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2008, 03:44AM »
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Thanks Tom,

I will check this and once  i have it, i will post the game here.

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Re:citrine v.s MMC
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2008, 12:18AM »
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Quote from: ricard60 on July 26, 2008, 06:18PM   

I just unpacked my mephisto master chess. I played a couple of games on the 5 sec. per move level and i could not beat it. Strong machine.
I test it then  against the citrine in a 6 match  game in the same  5 sec avarage time level. The match ended 3 to 3 but then reading the mephisto manual it played in the ps2 option this means that  MMC was not playing with the strongest settings.
The last game the MMC give away a rook for a knight and a pawn but to get a better position with a pawn on e5 and d6. This last game is still on its memory. Is there anyway i can replay it? The manual does not say how to do it. It only says that it is store there. I can not replay it from citrine because it was to long for its memory.

trying to replay the game regards
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Ricardo, I do not possess the Master Chess, I have "only" the Mephisto Atlanta. But since my computer is of the same make, I guess the way how to replay a stored game on the Atlanta is the same with your Master Chess.

With the Atlanta it works like this:

1. Press the "take back"-key.
The display will show you the number of the last move, for instance "no 54", only the number, not the move itself.
2. Press the "take back"-key a second time:
The display will then show you the number of the first move, "no 1". Now you are at the start of the game.
3. Press now the "Black/+"-button.
The display shows you the first move for white, for example "e2-e4". If you press the "Black/+"-button again, you'll get the first move for black and so forth.

Do not press the squares with your pieces when you are replaying the game, just push the piece from one square to next one as the display indicates anfd press the "Black/+"-key again.

If you reached the tenth move of black and want to go back, you have to press the "White/-"-key, and the computer will demand of you to undo the last move first.

That means, if the tenth move with black was 10. ... c5, you pushed (not pressed) the pawn on c5. Now you press the "white/-"-key. The LED of c5 starts blinking, with your computer the coordinated file- and rank-LEDs should blink, and the display "c7-c5" blinks. At this point you have to press the piece (not push only) on the squares c7 and c5 in order to undo the move and get back. By doing this, the move is still saved and not deleted from your computer.

Replaying forwardly=only push the pieces
Replaying backwardly=press the pieces

I hope this instruction will help you a bit. You have to try a little.

As a reward I suggest you post the game here. 

Thanks.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2008, 06:18PM »
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I just unpacked my mephisto master chess. I played a couple of games on the 5 sec. per move level and i could not beat it. Strong machine.
I test it then  against the citrine in a 6 match  game in the same  5 sec avarage time level. The match ended 3 to 3 but then reading the mephisto manual it played in the ps2 option this means that  MMC was not playing with the strongest settings.
The last game the MMC give away a rook for a knight and a pawn but to get a better position with a pawn on e5 and d6. This last game is still on its memory. Is there anyway i can replay it? The manual does not say how to do it. It only says that it is store there. I can not replay it from citrine because it was to long for its memory.

trying to replay the game regards
Ricardo

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