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Hi Tom,

Thanks for the input.  I have never seen most of these models, so I am only going by what is in the catalog.  ICD was selling just about any chess computer manufactured by Novag, Excalibur, Saitek, and TASC that was on the market in those days.  An astonishing variety of models but, as you said, not so many programs or programmers! 

I purchased 2 models from ICD during the 90’s – an Excalibur Legend that broke within months and a Saitek GK2000 which is still going strong.  I actually picked up the Legend at the Excalibur headquarters in Miami since it was a short drive and was handed the unit by Shane Samole who had taken over the management of the company from his father Sid Samole (the founder of Fidelity Electronics).

The Legend had absolutely the worst set of instructions that I have ever seen – cheaply produced and poorly written.  I called Shane and I agreed to re-write the instructions – he was supposed to send me a free chess computer for my time.  I submitted the revisions and never heard back from him!  The Legend broke soon after and I purchased the more expensive GK2000.  Too bad that I didn’t buy the GK2000 in the first place.  It is still a good opponent 15 years later.

The Concord is definitely a Saitek model.  There is one currently listed for auction of Ebay UK.

I have found a reference to the Saitek Mark 14 Trainer as well:

http://www.csvnsupplementsite.nl/csvnp3.html

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I do not have the Saitek catalog for 1996, but the next best thing is the ICD (Institutional Computer Development Corp) Your Move catalog for December 1996.  ICD/Your Move was probably selling more Saitek units than anyone at that time and their catalog lists no fewer than 24 Saitek models, four of which were not delivered for sale yet. Some of the older models had probably already been discontinued and were old stock.

The ratings numbers are from ICD/Your Move, NOT Saitek:

Travel Champion                    1100
Pocket Plus Trainer                  1400
Express (new in June)            1300
Traveler                                  1500
Compact Chess                      1600
Champion Advanced Trainer    2000
Travel Champion 2100            2200
Chess Partner 2                      1200
Coach Partner (new in July)    1200
Sensor Chess Turbo                1300
Concord                                    1400
Talking Coach (new in Aug)      1400
Mark 14 Trainer                        1600
Olympiad                                  1600
System Trainer                        1400
Advanced Talking Chess (July) 1700
Turbo Advanced Trainer          1900
Executive                                  2100
Virtuoso                                    2100
GK2000                                    2100
GK2100                                    2200
President                                  2200
Saitek/Mephisto Montreux        2350
Renaissance                            1850



Your list looks interesting and your comment sounds as though ICD had had chess computers from other manufactureres than Saitek. Maybe Concord and Mark 14 Trainer were such devices. Perhaps the programmes of the two are also from different programmers. That's a small disadvantage of Saitek's supply: Even if the variety of Saitek's computers is impressive, many of them bear a programme of the same "master" like the Dutch programmer Frans Morsch, for instance. 
How much more interesting would it be if every single product line had a programme by another programmer than the other line does.
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I do not have the Saitek catalog for 1996, but the next best thing is the ICD (Institutional Computer Development Corp) Your Move catalog for December 1996.  ICD/Your Move was probably selling more Saitek units than anyone at that time and their catalog lists no fewer than 24 Saitek models, four of which were not delivered for sale yet. Some of the older models had probably already been discontinued and were old stock.

The ratings numbers are from ICD/Your Move, NOT Saitek:

Travel Champion                    1100
Pocket Plus Trainer                  1400
Express (new in June)            1300
Traveler                                  1500
Compact Chess                      1600
Champion Advanced Trainer    2000
Travel Champion 2100            2200
Chess Partner 2                      1200
Coach Partner (new in July)    1200
Sensor Chess Turbo                1300
Concord                                    1400
Talking Coach (new in Aug)      1400
Mark 14 Trainer                        1600
Olympiad                                  1600
System Trainer                        1400
Advanced Talking Chess (July) 1700
Turbo Advanced Trainer          1900
Executive                                  2100
Virtuoso                                    2100
GK2000                                    2100
GK2100                                    2200
President                                  2200
Saitek/Mephisto Montreux        2350
Renaissance                            1850



Your list looks interesting and your comment sounds as though ICD had had chess computers from other manufactureres than Saitek. Maybe Concord and Mark 14 Trainer were such devices. Perhaps the programmes of the two are also from different programmers. That's a small disadvantage of Saitek's supply: Even if the variety of Saitek's computers is impressive, many of them bear a programme of the same "master" like the Dutch programmer Frans Morsch, for instance. 
How much more interesting would it be if every single product line had a programme by another programmer than the other line does.
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Tom,

Can you post the models and ratings for the units in the 1997 & 1998 catalogs?

It would be great to fill in all the information supplied by Saitek on their models.

Yes, I can.

1997 catalogue
Schachakademie: 1900
Solar Star: 800
Solar King: 800
Madison: 750
Champion: 1900 (By the way, Siftung Warentest evaluated this computer as "very good" concerning playing strength and "good" in handling.)
Mythos: 1900
Milano Pro: 2180
Atlanta: 2300
Exclusive MMVI: 2000
Modul-Set Boston: 2180
Modul-Set New York: 2300
Kasparov Express: 820
Travel Champion 2100: 2000
Schachtrainer: 1900
GK2000: 1900
Virtuoso: 1900


1998 catalogue (possibly from 1999?, I think it's from 1998, the last catalogue, I've seen)
Aria: 800
Miami: 1900
Cosmos: 2000
MeXs: 850
Atlas: 800
Montana: 1900
Centurion: 2000
Mystery: 2020
Schachakademie: 1900
Cougar: 2050
Milano Pro: 2180
Atlanta: 2280
Capella: 1800
Exclusive VI: 2000
Modul-Set Senator: 2180
Modul-Set Magellan: 2280

The imprint reads: Hegener+Glaser AG, ein Unternehmen der Saitek Gruppe
Both website and e-mail address are of Saitek.


I do not have the Saitek catalog for 1996, but the next best thing is the ICD (Institutional Computer Development Corp) Your Move catalog for December 1996.  ICD/Your Move was probably selling more Saitek units than anyone at that time and their catalog lists no fewer than 24 Saitek models, four of which were not delivered for sale yet. Some of the older models had probably already been discontinued and were old stock.

The ratings numbers are from ICD/Your Move, NOT Saitek:

Travel Champion                    1100
Pocket Plus Trainer                  1400
Express (new in June)            1300
Traveler                                  1500
Compact Chess                      1600
Champion Advanced Trainer    2000
Travel Champion 2100            2200
Chess Partner 2                      1200
Coach Partner (new in July)    1200
Sensor Chess Turbo                1300
Concord                                    1400
Talking Coach (new in Aug)      1400
Mark 14 Trainer                        1600
Olympiad                                  1600
System Trainer                        1400
Advanced Talking Chess (July) 1700
Turbo Advanced Trainer          1900
Executive                                  2100
Virtuoso                                    2100
GK2000                                    2100
GK2100                                    2200
President                                  2200
Saitek/Mephisto Montreux        2350
Renaissance                            1850


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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 06:10PM »
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Maybe it is an early version of the "SPARC" under a different name. 

Here is the verbatim wording from the catalog:

Kasparov World Champion

- Revolutionary, strong 32 bit SPARC RISC microprocessor.

-Estimated playing strength:2400 Elo (US rating)

-Very high performance 256KB program

-512KB DRAM (expandable to 4mB) for hash-table memory

-32 additional levels

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Tom,

The "World Champion" is not a stand-alone chess computer.  It is a module of some sort and it probably plugs into some of Saitek's high-end models like the Galileo and Renaissance.

Unfortunately, there were no pictures of this device in the 1992 catalog.

Sounds to me like the "Sparc" module (with 1 MB instead of 512 KB)

I don't think, that a module called "World Champion" has been released by Saitek...


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The "World Champion" is not a stand-alone chess computer.  It is a module of some sort and it probably plugs into some of Saitek's high-end models like the Galileo and Renaissance.

Unfortunately, there were no pictures of this device in the 1992 catalog.
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Thanks for posting the lists Tom!  I was not aware of a lot of those models.

It looks like Saitek did some serious downgrading of their ratings.  I was surprised that the GK2100 was not in the 1997 catalog.

I forgot to include the "Modules Upgrade Kits" on my list for 1992:

Brute Force: 2250

World Champion: 2400 (256KB program - 512KB DRAM)

Endgame ROM for Simultano, Corona, Turbo King, Statos, Maestro, and Analyyst

MA3.1 Upgrade Kit for older Corona and Turbo King (adds 100 Elo)


A chess computer called "World Champion"? Can you tell me what this device looks like? I've just searched Overtom's museum, but couldn't find one. I searched the internet via Google and Cuil, but still couldn't find a specimen. Is there a photo somewhere of the World Champion? Thanks in advance.
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Yes, sad to say, but it seems as though Saitek shrank their whole assortment to a small remainder. When you consider their homepage you can see this process is still going on. And when I look at your catalogue - what a variety they once had! All this loss just because of money! Isn't that sad? I propose the state should support the chess computer industry and give some subsidies in order to make the chess computer community happy again! The state-money, however, may only be used for the development of new electronic chessboards, definitely NOT for PC-chess-programme manufacturers. If that happened I'd vote for our chancellor at the next election at least ten times! 
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Thanks for posting the lists Tom!  I was not aware of a lot of those models.

It looks like Saitek did some serious downgrading of their ratings.  I was surprised that the GK2100 was not in the 1997 catalog.

I forgot to include the "Modules Upgrade Kits" on my list for 1992:

Brute Force: 2250

World Champion: 2400 (256KB program - 512KB DRAM)

Endgame ROM for Simultano, Corona, Turbo King, Statos, Maestro, and Analyyst

MA3.1 Upgrade Kit for older Corona and Turbo King (adds 100 Elo)
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Tom,

Can you post the models and ratings for the units in the 1997 & 1998 catalogs?

It would be great to fill in all the information supplied by Saitek on their models.


Yes, I can.

1997 catalogue
Schachakademie: 1900
Solar Star: 800
Solar King: 800
Madison: 750
Champion: 1900 (By the way, Siftung Warentest evaluated this computer as "very good" concerning playing strength and "good" in handling.)
Mythos: 1900
Milano Pro: 2180
Atlanta: 2300
Exclusive MMVI: 2000
Modul-Set Boston: 2180
Modul-Set New York: 2300
Kasparov Express: 820
Travel Champion 2100: 2000
Schachtrainer: 1900
GK2000: 1900
Virtuoso: 1900


1998 catalogue (possibly from 1999?, I think it's from 1998, the last catalogue, I've seen)
Aria: 800
Miami: 1900
Cosmos: 2000
MeXs: 850
Atlas: 800
Montana: 1900
Centurion: 2000
Mystery: 2020
Schachakademie: 1900
Cougar: 2050
Milano Pro: 2180
Atlanta: 2280
Capella: 1800
Exclusive VI: 2000
Modul-Set Senator: 2180
Modul-Set Magellan: 2280

The imprint reads: Hegener+Glaser AG, ein Unternehmen der Saitek Gruppe
Both website and e-mail address are of Saitek.

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Can you post the models and ratings for the units in the 1997 & 1998 catalogs?

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Hi Marko,

The numbers that I listed before the model name appear in the upper right hand corner of the catalog page and are preceeded by the words "Art. No." (I assume it means "Article Number").

I don't think that they have anything to do with the price or playing strength of the units.  For example, there are other types of electronic games in the catalog (backgammon, blackjack, bridge) that also have "Art. No." listed.

Saitek did list their strengh ratings in a chart at the end of the catalog:

Pocket Plus: 1550
Chess Shadow 1650
Traveller: 1550
Travel Champion: 2080
Champion Advanced Trainer: 2080
Mk 12 Trainer: 1650
Sensor Chess: 1550
Olympiad: 1650
Turbo Advanced Trainer: 2130
GK2000: 2130
Prisma: 1900
Blitz: 1900
Turbo King II: 2100
RISC 2500: 2500
Virtuoso: 2130
Corona: 2130
Galileo: 1800-2200
Reniassance 1800-2200


Interesting! I own two Saitek catalogues from 1997 and 1998 in German. The assortment is almost completely different. Some computers were cancelled and some new devices were added such as Centurion or Cougar and the RISC-2500 computer was replaced by the Atlanta.
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Hello Zardoz,

Many thanks for posting the ratings. Good info.

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Hi Marko,

The numbers that I listed before the model name appear in the upper right hand corner of the catalog page and are preceeded by the words "Art. No." (I assume it means "Article Number").

I don't think that they have anything to do with the price or playing strength of the units.  For example, there are other types of electronic games in the catalog (backgammon, blackjack, bridge) that also have "Art. No." listed.

Saitek did list their strengh ratings in a chart at the end of the catalog:

Pocket Plus: 1550
Chess Shadow 1650
Traveller: 1550
Travel Champion: 2080
Champion Advanced Trainer: 2080
Mk 12 Trainer: 1650
Sensor Chess: 1550
Olympiad: 1650
Turbo Advanced Trainer: 2130
GK2000: 2130
Prisma: 1900
Blitz: 1900
Turbo King II: 2100
RISC 2500: 2500
Virtuoso: 2130
Corona: 2130
Galileo: 1800-2200
Reniassance 1800-2200
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Hello Zardoz,

Thanks for posting the list. What do the numbers represent? Are they the prices? If so, what currency? Are any ratings given for the units?

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Here they are, listed in order of appearance:

115C  Pocket Plus Trainer (peg set)
164D  MK12 Trainer
165    Sensor Chess
117    Traveller (peg set)
147    Advanced Trainer (peg set)
209    Turbo Advanced Trainer
116    Chess Shadow (LCD hand held)
208    Olympiad
411    Virtuoso (wood board)
272    GK 2000
146    Travel Champion (peg set)
281    Prisma
291    Blitz
320    Turbo King II
322    RISC 2500
421    Corona (wood - auto sensory)
511    Galileo (wood “Blitz” board)
512    Renaissance (wood “Blitz” board)

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