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« on: October 9, 2008, 04:04PM »
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Hi Yano
All three are nice computers.  But if I was to choose 1 of the 3 then I would go for the MMV.  One of the benefits you would have with that choice assuming that it comes with an exclusive or a modular board is that once you get bored with it or you want other challenges, then you can always try to buy an additional module for it.  The better modules unfortunately are not cheap but there is a potential for more variety.

Novag Citrine is interesting because you do have the possibility of connecting it to Arena and therefore you could have the choice of playing some chess engines on the board.  (I think this works but it's been a while since I tried my Citrine with Arena).

The President is a nice board but you can buy the same program a lot cheaper if you bought instead a GK2100 or Saitek Expert Travel/Cosmos, Saitek Centurion etc.  There are approx 9 or 10 machines with exactly the same program.  But you would of course not have the nice wooden board that comes with the President.

I personally would think about where I could get more variety later (if cost was a lesser concern) and for those reasons I would first go for either the MMV or Novag Citrine.

If cost is a concern then start by buying any one of the 9 or 10 GK2100 clones they all play at around ELO 2000 (USCF 2200) and all would be identical to the President in the way they play.

(So you have made a good choice if you have already bought the MMV    )

All the best

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Quote from: yano1966 on October  8, 2008, 02:00PM   

Hello everyone!

I would like to have your opinions for 3 machines:

- Mephisto MM V.
- Novag Citrine.
- Saitek President.

I have just bought a MM V (delivery in progress), but I had hesitated before for the Citrine and the President.

Do you Think that I made the good choice?.

I do not speak about the ELO (enough for me), but rather about the style of play (pleasant or painful, defensive, offensiveā€¦).

Thank you for your opinions!
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« Reply #1 on: October 9, 2008, 11:23AM »
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Quote from: yano1966 on October  9, 2008, 03:14AM   

I put that "in a corner of my head"

I had also thought of the HG550 but the problem is : difficult to find,
I do not see any at eBay. And I am afraid that it is expensive.

Currently, I play on Mephisto Advanced Travel Chess : in fact, Saitek GK 2000 program : by Frank Morsh (i saw that on Schachcomputer.info.).

I make pleasant games but it is so small that I must ā€œtransposeā€ on a chess-board (tournament size) for more comfortā€¦




I have read on the internet once the opinion, that Frans Morsch has an outstanding ability to create relatively strong chess programmes by very simple means. In other words, his programmes are short and nevertheless strong.
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I put that "in a corner of my head"

I had also thought of the HG550 but the problem is : difficult to find,
I do not see any at eBay. And I am afraid that it is expensive.

Currently, I play on Mephisto Advanced Travel Chess : in fact, Saitek GK 2000 program : by Frank Morsh (i saw that on Schachcomputer.info.).

I make pleasant games but it is so small that I must ā€œtransposeā€ on a chess-board (tournament size) for more comfortā€¦

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« Reply #3 on: October 9, 2008, 02:18AM »
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Quote from: yano1966 on October  8, 2008, 02:00PM   

I would like to have your opinions for 3 machines:

- Mephisto MM V.

very tactical oriented program, but positional weak

It plays very few opening lines active: on 1.d4 d5 2.c4 it plays very(!) often c6 (i would guess around 80%), so i recommend buying the additional opening module HG550.

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- Novag Citrine.

IMO, Novag computers have the most human playing style of all chess computers; sometimes speculative (my Star Sapphire often gives away an exchange or a pawn for positional or tactical advantages, but against strong opponents this does not always work )

weak endgame

As this computer has no buttons (only one for entering the options), it's usage differs from other computers. Maybe you should read the manual first (downloadable at Novags website), to see, if it is ok for you

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- Saitek President.

I would call its playing style "machine-like"; plays very sound in midgame, is good in tactics and not bad at positional play either. Its big weakness is the endgame.


hope, this helps a little bit!

Robert
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« Reply #4 on: October 8, 2008, 04:02PM »
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I don't know anything about the Citrine's style of play, nor that of the MM V - but I own Saitek President and am very pleased with its very human like play.  I am a very solid positional player and have been rated as high as 1950 USCF and yet this machine almost always finds a way of getting through my defenses, generally through sound but aggressive attacks.

I am sure someone here has experience with both the Morsch and the Schroeder programs and so could give a better comparison of the two playing styles.
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Hello everyone!

I would like to have your opinions for 3 machines:

- Mephisto MM V.
- Novag Citrine.
- Saitek President.

I have just bought a MM V (delivery in progress), but I had hesitated before for the Citrine and the President.

Do you Think that I made the good choice?.

I do not speak about the ELO (enough for me), but rather about the style of play (pleasant or painful, defensive, offensiveā€¦).

Thank you for your opinions!
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