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Re:CXG Enterprise "S"...
« on: November 23, 2008, 03:49PM »
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Hello,

After having made pass a test (34 diagrams) to the CXG, I concluded from it that it contains the same program as the TANDY 1650 ā€œfast responseā€

that is to say a elo (Europe) of: 1380

greetings
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Re:CXG Enterprise "S"...
« Reply #1 on: November 4, 2008, 09:33AM »
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Hello Robert,

Thank you for this good idea (Colditz).

The purchase of Enterprise S is concluded (eBay) but I did not receive it yet from Germanyā€¦

As soon as I have it, I test it with Colditz and I will publish, here, the results.

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« Reply #2 on: November 4, 2008, 12:44AM »
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Quote from: yano1966 on November  3, 2008, 01:52PM   

It is the low limit to testā€¦ sorry for my machineā€¦

You could try the Colditz test instead: http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/Colditz

The Super Enterprise was relatively good here, as this test suite is a tactical one and the SE is a small tactic-monster! 

The 1264 Active ELO are from our own list:
http://www.schachcomputer.info/html/aktivschach_elo_liste.html

Here are the detailed results of the Enterprise S:

164 CXG Enterprise S /, Merlin 4K: 1264  33 (+ 11,=  5,- 17), 40.9 %

Chess Challenger 7, Fidelity  :  10 (+  7,=  1,-  2), 75.0 %
Advanced Starchess            :  3 (+  0,=  0,-  3),  0.0 %
III, Mephisto                :  10 (+  1,=  2,-  7), 20.0 %
Junior Tasten, Mephisto      :  10 (+  3,=  2,-  5), 40.0 %

33 games are not enough to give an exact rating, but on active chess level (30s/move or 30min/game), it surely won't reach 1500 ELO. I played many games with it and it often plays good until midgame, but then suddenly blunders and looses the game.

And i guess, the 1500 (seems to be a rounded number or just a guess?) are from tournament level; maybe it is playing better there?

I would not rely too much on this old list, as many entries especially on the lower end seem like guesses to me...

We don't have the Enterprise S on our tournament level list, sorry...

If you need further assistance regarding the Colditz test, don't hesitate to ask!


best regards,
Robert

P.S.: As i am informed, the Enterprise S should have a 6301 CPU with 7,2 MHz (at least its peg sensory version, the Star Chess, has this)

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Re:CXG Enterprise "S"...
« Reply #3 on: November 3, 2008, 01:52PM »
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On this subject, for Enterprise S

I would have liked to make the test BT-2450 which is very effective to evaluate the ELO of a machineā€¦ but.

Lower  1650-1700 ELO the test is not significant any moreā€¦

As you can see in this table:



Novag Super VIP 1660 ELO solves only 5 exercises out of 30.

It is the low limit to testā€¦ sorry for my machineā€¦



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« Reply #4 on: November 3, 2008, 01:23PM »
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hello everybody,

Small correction, dear Robert :

The CXG 208 Enterprise S - 2 MHz is well a weak machine, but not at this point, indicated to 1500 Elo Europe.

And Super Enterprise with 1565 Elo.

http://old.csvn.nl/comps1978.html
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Re:CXG Enterprise "S"...
« Reply #5 on: November 3, 2008, 05:39AM »
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And i think, Tom mainly meant the "extension" on the right side, that made this design remarkable...


Captain Kirk sends his regards,
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You're right, Robert. It looks like part of the famous command centre of the spaceship "Enterprise", and part of Mr. Spock's computer, even its name remembers us of Captain Kirk's vehicle. Send regards back to him at fivefold speed of light! 
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« Reply #6 on: November 3, 2008, 05:30AM »
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Yes, but there was also a version of Super Enterprise without displays, IIRC it was the C-version, that had the displays (correct me, if i'm wrong)

Captain Kirk sends his regards,
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You are correct as usual

the Super S without display is CXG 210..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N05/858173113/in/set-72157600923816793/

and with  double  Display ..210C
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N05/858173167/in/set-72157600923816793/

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« Reply #7 on: November 3, 2008, 05:16AM »
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Quote from: Steve B on November  3, 2008, 04:35AM   


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The Super Enterprise has the same design:


Actually Robert..the Super S is a little different because it has two display windows while the Enterprise S sadly has none


Yes, but there was also a version of Super Enterprise without displays, IIRC it was the C-version, that had the displays (correct me, if i'm wrong)

And i think, Tom mainly meant the "extension" on the right side, that made this design remarkable...


Captain Kirk sends his regards,
Robert
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The Super Enterprise has the same design:


Actually Robert..the Super S is a little different because it has two display windows while the Enterprise S sadly has none

here is a much better example of the same exact design


=http://www.flickr.com/photos/10261668@N05/2853674588/in/set-72157600923816793/

Regards From Aboard the Star Ship Enterprise
Steve

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« Reply #9 on: November 3, 2008, 12:12AM »
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Quote from: Tom on November  2, 2008, 01:51PM   

Hi Yano, an extraordinary chess computer that you have got there. A design which I've never seen before.

The Super Enterprise has the same design:
http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/CXG_Super_Enterprise

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If its playing strength is as outstanding as its shape then I guess you got a really hard guy.

too bad, that it is not: its Active Chess rating on .info is only 1264.

And yes, it is a Danielsen program, but it is very different from Super Enterprise; SE is much stronger...


best regards,
Robert

Edit: SE's program is 16 KB, Enterprise S only 4 KB
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Hi Yano, an extraordinary chess computer that you have got there. A design which I've never seen before. If its playing strength is as outstanding as its shape then I guess you got a really hard guy. Tell more about it.
Tom
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« Reply #11 on: November 2, 2008, 01:36PM »
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hello everybody,

I have just bought a CXG/SCHNEIDER Enterprise S.



I saw that Kaare Danielsen had developed Super Enterpriseā€¦ but for Enterprise S?

I choose my machines with different programmers to have varied styles of play, it is the reason of this question.

Thank you for your answers!
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