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« Reply #20 on: May 5, 2005, 03:47AM »
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And it has a dust cover! I wonder how much it will sell for. The starting bid at US $325.00 makes that $600.00 one seem very undesirable now

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Well, we know that the dustcover is worth at least $500, sot this price is a bargain. 


How do we know this?  There have been some recent Fidelity Phantom Eyeballs sell in the $1,200 range, sans dustcover, and there was a single Eyeball with the dustcover that somebody bought for $1,700 a few months ago.    Since that "somebody" will not buy anything that is not a great deal, that makes the dustcover worth $500, at a minimum. 

I am tempted to try and get the seller to sell the dustcover separately. 

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« Reply #21 on: May 5, 2005, 03:29AM »
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And it has a dust cover! I wonder how much it will sell for. The starting bid at US $325.00 makes that $600.00 one seem very undesirable now

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« Reply #22 on: May 5, 2005, 12:49AM »
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Oh yes you will be pleased to hear that another one has emerged from a closet :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2554&item=5193944403&rd=1

The seller is determined to sell it in the USA only but on recent evidence that should not greatly affect the price it reaches. Most of the demand seems to be coming from within the USA.

Maybe we should be whipping up interest in some other types of chess computer. What about a Borisholics Anonymous thread? Or a Glass Chess Is Wonderful thread with light show video. Any suggestions?

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2005, 04:55AM »
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I am now happy that I got my "green", mint Phantom for less than $500 just recently but sad to see this high jump in such a short time!
I can't help but think that "if you build it, they will buy it!"
Some of the inquiries I get on the Phantom are not from collectors but from people just wanting to have a model like that.

Maybe it's still just so few that it wouldn't justify any company to start producing a similar model today.

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2005, 01:04AM »
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Last night the latest Phantom made $910. Which is a big price but less than the $999 the seller paid for it in January.

Whilst new underbidders keep appearing, one bid $900 last night, there will probably be no let up in prices. The winning bidder himself bid $1100 on the British Phantom 6100 only a few days ago, and was only third best then.

I expected demand and supply to settle down around the $500 mark. Wrong again it seems.

How long before the next appears on Ebay?

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Have we worked out for sure what authentic CC1/CC3 pieces look like? I think they look like those on the left of Ismenios picture :-

http://xs24.xs.to/pics/05155/cc1_vs_cc3_pieces.JPG

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Thar she blows! 

Yup, that looks like what I want.  I want a complete set of those, and no pinkish hues, please. 

Can I cut your Eyeball box and styrofoam up into small pieces for shipping?  This is a rather large box.  You do like to paste these things back together, as I recall. 



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However, you never know about stuff like this.  Do you have any extra CC1/CC3 pieces?  Also   

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Yes extra CC1/CC3 pieces. No problem.

I have the plastic with magnets in garish silver and black, or would you prefer the Kings and Queens of England set, with crowns?

Have we worked out for sure what authentic CC1/CC3 pieces look like? I think they look like those on the left of Ismenios picture :-

http://xs24.xs.to/pics/05155/cc1_vs_cc3_pieces.JPG

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Yes please. You wouldn't happen to have an ARB box would you. Just like a Boris but a bit bigger. Or failing that an Eyeball box? 

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No ARB box, but I do have a wonderful 6126 Eyeball box with all of the styrofoam pieces (none broken).  I will probably need to keep that one, though, as my Eyeball likes being nestled in it.

However, you never know about stuff like this.  Do you have any extra CC1/CC3 pieces?  Also   

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« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2005, 09:56AM »
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5187925252&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Will this person make a profit or loss on his $999 purchase? My guess is a loss, but with Robots on Ebay who knows anymore?

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I recognize that seller. He’s a visitor to our site and there’s a good chance he’s a guest reader here as well.

Does anyone else feel that there is a market for these machines if Excalibur, Saitek or anyone else started producing new versions of them? I even think they could add some more cool features like voice recognition for example.

Regarding the price, based on what we’ve seen, after the recent auction on that Milton Bradley GM, nothing surprises me anymore!

I have no clue on the $5000 estimate! Even the Novag Robot Adversary that was sold last year didn't reach that amount.

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I hope your Boris MGS is enjoying the box.

I told you then that I felt a bit guilty about the deal, and the auctions lately have increased this feeling. 

Any other boxes that you need? 

Dick Schneiders

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Yes thank you.

Oh good! 

Yes please. You wouldn't happen to have an ARB box would you. Just like a Boris but a bit bigger. Or failing that an Eyeball box? 

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Only a fool would give up a set of Phantom pieces. 

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Speak for yourself, Mike. 

I would never do such a thing, at least not yet.

I hope your Boris MGS is enjoying the box.

I told you then that I felt a bit guilty about the deal, and the auctions lately have increased this feeling. 

Any other boxes that you need? 

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These things keep getting more and more pricey, except for the ones that don't have the pieces.  Makes me want to find more Phantom pieces in anticipation of purchasing more boards missing them.

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On the basis of the last two auctions a set of pieces is worth $1200 - $130 = $1070.

So your strategy makes sense to me. Only a fool would give up a set of Phantom pieces. 

Ok I guess $900-999.

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This "guilllerm0" is an optimistic sort of guy. And economical too; he has used the same photos that were on the listing when he bought it. Do you think it will make $1000?

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Actually, I would not be at all surprised if it did.  He got his starting bid of $600 almost immediately, from the Austrian bidder who was the underbidder on the one from the UK that just sold. 

These things keep getting more and more pricey, except for the ones that don't have the pieces.  Makes me want to find more Phantom pieces in anticipation of purchasing more boards missing them.

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Perhaps I should now value my British set of Phantom pieces much higher.  I know which one it is, because one of the pieces has a strange pinkish hue to it. 

I might consider bundling up my 3 Phantoms and taking a trip to England to sell them.

Did you see where this seller is claiming that these Phantom 6100's are worth well over $5,000!   

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Those are a very special set of British pieces which play at +200 Elo on a British machine with 3-pin plug. Please do not get them mixed up with inferior piece sets. The pinkie just spent too long out of the sun in his box.

You are more than welcome to come across to England, and bring a container load of chess computers. Please leave the car at home I wouldn't want you to scare the neighbours. But why not bring the Eyeball and Polgar 10 MHz while you are at it. Top prices guaranteed.

This "guilllerm0" is an optimistic sort of guy. And economical too; he has used the same photos that were on the listing when he bought it. Do you think it will make $1000?

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It turned out to be sufficiently unusual for three people to want to pay £595 plus for it. And no box or dust cover !!

The final price was £647 ($1200). Which must make it the most expensive Phantom 6100 to be sold on Ebay. 



Mike,

Perhaps I should now value my British set of Phantom pieces much higher.  I know which one it is, because one of the pieces has a strange pinkish hue to it. 

I might consider bundling up my 3 Phantoms and taking a trip to England to sell them.

Dick



Will this person make a profit or loss on his $999 purchase? My guess is a loss, but with Robots on Ebay who knows anymore?

All the best
Mike



Did you see where this seller is claiming that these Phantom 6100's are worth well over $5,000!   

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Dear all

Yet another Phantom. This time a British one.  Most unusual.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5185481636&fromMakeTrack=true

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It turned out to be sufficiently unusual for three people to want to pay £595 plus for it. And no box or dust cover !!

The final price was £647 ($1200). Which must make it the most expensive Phantom 6100 to be sold on Ebay. 

This was strangely at odds with this one (no pieces, box, dust cover) sold on Thursday 14th for just $130 :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2554&item=5184017208&rd=1


Two sold in the USA for $1027 and $999 in January and we thought that was way too much. The second of these has just reappeared :-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5187925252&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Will this person make a profit or loss on his $999 purchase? My guess is a loss, but with Robots on Ebay who knows anymore?

All the best
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Yet another Phantom. This time a British one.  Most unusual.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5185481636&fromMakeTrack=true

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Hi Dick/Mike,

what would be a reasonable price for one of these machines? (With the original pieces)
I remember one has been sold recently at ebay.de for 500 Euros...
But I do not know whether this was an extremly high or low price.

Thanks,

Christian

Christian

Just to add to what Dick has said. There have been about 11 or 12 Fidelity Phantoms sold in the USA in the last 6 months. Two with boxes and dust covers sold for very high prices ($1000) in January. The average for the others was around $500. In fact 8 of them sold for $400-$600.

In Europe two Fidelity Phantoms sold for 456 Euros and 564 Euros in December and January. I have not seen a Mephisto Phantom sold for a while. They are identical to the Fidelitys apart from the badges.

To ship a Phantom from the USA will cost about $65 plus of course the import charges which to England add on 20%.

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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2005, 09:19AM »
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Quote from: Endspielgott on April  9, 2005, 10:26AM   

Hi Dick/Mike,

what would be a reasonable price for one of these machines? (With the original pieces)
I remember one has been sold recently at ebay.de for 500 Euros...
But I do not know whether this was an extremly high or low price.

Thanks,

Christian



I am certain that Mike will have a listing of various auction results he can post.

These are very large machines, so it might be costly to have one shipped overseas.

The Eyeball version is less common than the model 6100, and it has been selling for $1,200 to $1,700, with the pieces, recently.  The higher price, above, is what I paid for mine in February.  Mine also came with the Fidelity dust cover, which is a clear plexiglass cover, that seems to be very uncommon to find.

I purchased a regular, model 6100, with non-original pieces that worked almost all of the time, for $550.  I also purchase a working 6100 board, with no pieces, for $250.  I have since acquired, through trades, etc., a couple of sets of original pieces, so I now have 3 Phantoms with original pieces.

There have been a couple recently that sold in the $500 range, with the original pieces.

The dust cover did not come, standard, with the model 6100, and I am not certain that it even came with the Eyeball model.  It might have been an extra cost option.

500 Euros doesn't sound terribly high for one with original pieces.  These things are probably a lot more common in the U.S. than they are in Europe.

You might see some of the earlier Milton Bradley versions, that Fidelity acquired the rights to.  They came out in 1983, about 5 years earlier than the Fidelity ones, and look almost identical.  The mechanism is identical, as far as I know.  However, the program in the MB versions is different and very much weaker - about 1300 ELO.

Hope this helps.

Dick Schneiders





Well Dick I have to think about it...I will try to locate somebody who owns one of these machines...and lets me play against it.
Thank your for your Informations!
Gruß,
Christian
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Hi Dick/Mike,

what would be a reasonable price for one of these machines? (With the original pieces)
I remember one has been sold recently at ebay.de for 500 Euros...
But I do not know whether this was an extremly high or low price.

Thanks,

Christian



I am certain that Mike will have a listing of various auction results he can post.

These are very large machines, so it might be costly to have one shipped overseas.

The Eyeball version is less common than the model 6100, and it has been selling for $1,200 to $1,700, with the pieces, recently.  The higher price, above, is what I paid for mine in February.  Mine also came with the Fidelity dust cover, which is a clear plexiglass cover, that seems to be very uncommon to find.

I purchased a regular, model 6100, with non-original pieces that worked almost all of the time, for $550.  I also purchase a working 6100 board, with no pieces, for $250.  I have since acquired, through trades, etc., a couple of sets of original pieces, so I now have 3 Phantoms with original pieces.

There have been a couple recently that sold in the $500 range, with the original pieces.

The dust cover did not come, standard, with the model 6100, and I am not certain that it even came with the Eyeball model.  It might have been an extra cost option.

500 Euros doesn't sound terribly high for one with original pieces.  These things are probably a lot more common in the U.S. than they are in Europe.

You might see some of the earlier Milton Bradley versions, that Fidelity acquired the rights to.  They came out in 1983, about 5 years earlier than the Fidelity ones, and look almost identical.  The mechanism is identical, as far as I know.  However, the program in the MB versions is different and very much weaker - about 1300 ELO.

Hope this helps.

Dick Schneiders


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