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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« on: May 22, 2009, 08:35PM »
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phantom force arrived today. unpacked everything. it was well packaged in considerably larger box for shipping. i,m not sure what to think of black flocking over plastic. it seems like it,ll scuff up easily. so now well have to put it thru it,s paces and see that everything works properly. thanks again marko for heads up. i,ll have to keep an eye on woot.com for great deals in future. james
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 10:15AM »
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thanks for heads up marko. i,ve got a phantom force on way. it,ll definitely challange my present playing ability. i,ve got excalibur kingmaster 2 but i don,t have owners manual so i have,nt taken time to play chess game with it yet. thanks again. James
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Excalibur Phantom Force at Woot
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 08:39AM »
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Woot.com has the Excalibur Phantom Force Chess on a one-day special price of $69.99 + $5 shipping.

http://www.woot.com/

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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 12:07PM »
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The Excalibur Phantom Force still seems to be popular even with the Sharper Image stores closing. My You Tube video has now been viewed over 6,000 times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJADuhQAUQ0

Amazing, I never would have guessed that there would be more than a couple of hundred views.

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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 03:28AM »
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That game that I have written down is a 15 min game. Novag Vip payed bad movements as Nb4,Nd4 and, nevertheless, the Excalibour is defeated clearley, so I think it's too weak (note tha the game is against a Vip not a Super Vip, stronger than de Vip played, Vip is weak too) 
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force ELO Rating?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 12:14AM »
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Quote from: marko on January 15, 2008, 09:21PM   

Phantom Force Ratings:

Classic Chess and Games
"Estimated rating of 2200"
http://www.classicchessandgames.com/150-200.htm

Countrywide Computers
"Selective Search rating est. 130 ECF/1640 Elo"
http://www.elhchess.demon.co.uk/pforce.htm

British Chess Magazine
"Estimated ECF Grade: 150 / ELO 1800"
http://www.bcmchess.co.uk/bcmcomp.html

Schach Niggemann
"ELO Hersteller: 1750, ELO SSDF 1400"
https://www.schachversand.de/d/detail/computer/494.html

HAMMACHER SCHLEMMER & COMPANY
"Estimated U.S. Chess Federation Class A skill rating of 1900"
http://tinyurl.com/2epgzu

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the Selective Search rating comes closest to my own estimation: 1650-1700.


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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force ELO Rating?
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2008, 09:21PM »
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It will be interesting to see what the final ELO rating is for the Phantom Force. Below are the estimates I could find. It is odd that Excalibur does not publish a rating.

-Marko

Phantom Force Ratings:

Classic Chess and Games
"Estimated rating of 2200"
http://www.classicchessandgames.com/150-200.htm

Countrywide Computers
"Selective Search rating est. 130 ECF/1640 Elo"
http://www.elhchess.demon.co.uk/pforce.htm

British Chess Magazine
"Estimated ECF Grade: 150 / ELO 1800"
http://www.bcmchess.co.uk/bcmcomp.html

Schach Niggemann
"ELO Hersteller: 1750, ELO SSDF 1400"
https://www.schachversand.de/d/detail/computer/494.html

HAMMACHER SCHLEMMER & COMPANY
"Estimated U.S. Chess Federation Class A skill rating of 1900"
http://tinyurl.com/2epgzu

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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2008, 01:51PM »
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[Event "15 MIN / GAME"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2008.01.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "NOVAG VIP"]
[Black "EXCALIBUR PHANTOM"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B72"]
[PlyCount "111"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Be2 O-O 8.
Ndb5 Nc6 9. O-O a6 10. Nd4 Nxd4 11. Bxd4 e5 12. Be3 Be6 13. f4 exf4 14. Rxf4
Bh6 15. Rf3 Bxe3+ 16. Rxe3 Qb6 17. Qd3 Kh8 18. Rf1 Ng4 19. Bxg4 Bxg4 20. b3 f5
21. Nd5 Qc5 22. c4 Kg8 23. h3 f4 24. Nxf4 Bd1 25. Ne6 Rxf1+ 26. Kxf1 Qe5 27.
Qd5 Re8 28. Nc7+ Qxd5 29. cxd5 Rc8 30. Rc3 b5 31. Ke1 Bh5 32. g4 b4 33. Rc6
Bxg4 34. hxg4 Kf7 35. Nxa6 Re8 36. Rc4 Kf6 37. Kf2 h5 38. Kg3 Rh8 39. Kf4 g5+
40. Kg3 hxg4 41. Kxg4 Rh4+ 42. Kf3 Rh3+ 43. Kg2 g4 44. Nxb4 Re3 45. Kf2 Rh3 46.
Rd4 Kg5 47. Nc6 Rh2+ 48. Kg3 Rxa2 49. e5 dxe5 50. Nxe5 Kf5 51. Nc4 Ra1 52. Rf4+
Kg5 53. Rxg4+ Kh5 54. Rd4 Rg1+ 55. Kf2 Rg4 56. Rxg4 1-0
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 09:36AM »
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Quote from: Meca on January 14, 2008, 03:34AM   

Large collection photos here:

http://www.meca-web.es/museo/excalphantom/excalphantom.htm

New video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXpVhICnEQw&eurl=http://www.meca-web.es/museo/excalphantom/excalphantom.htm


Hello Meca,

Very nice photos and video. Thanks for posting them. FYI, my You Tube video has now been viewed almost 2,500 times:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJADuhQAUQ0

The Phantom Force is a very popular machine.

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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - 7 Weeks !!
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 03:34AM »
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Large collection photos here:

http://www.meca-web.es/museo/excalphantom/excalphantom.htm

New video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXpVhICnEQw&eurl=http://www.meca-web.es/museo/excalphantom/excalphantom.htm

First test (15 min/game):
Novag VIP 1-0 Excallibur Phantom 
:-  Not a casual victory, the new Phantom has a very weak program (it's only a toy?).
In the next hours I'll leave the game here.

I don't know the technical data: micro, ram, .... perhaps do you know it?


I don't find the option "reply game" 
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force vs Radio Shack 2150L
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2008, 07:27PM »
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I finally had a chance to play the Phantom (Black) against the Radio Shack 2150L (White). Both were set at 30 seconds per move. The 2150L won.

-Marko

Here is the game:

[Event "Casual Game"]
[Site "Portland, U.S.A."]
[Date "2008.01.11"]
[Round "-"]
[White "2150L, Radio Shack"]
[Black ", Phantom"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Time "17:03:52"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6
6. f3 e5 7. Nb3 Bg7 8. Bd3 O-O 9. Be3 Nc6 10. O-O Be6
11. Be2 Kh8 12. Qd2 Qd7 13. Rad1 Rfd8 14. Nd5 Ne7 15. Nxf6 Bxf6
16. Bd3 b6 17. Bg5 Bxg5 18. Qxg5 Rdc8 19. Qf6 Kg8 20. Rd2 a5
21. Rfd1 a4 22. Nc1 a3 23. b3 Qc7 24. Be2 Rd8 25. Nd3 Nc6
26. c4 Rdb8 27. Nf2 Nd4 28. Bd3 Rc8 29. Ng4 Bxg4 30. fxg4 Qd7
31. Qh4 Rd8 32. g5 Kh8 33. Qh6 Ra7 34. b4 Rda8 35. Rb1 Qe8
36. Rbd1 Qg8 37. h3 Qe8 38. Kh1 Qd7 39. Kg1 Qe6 40. Rf2 Qd7
41. Rff1 Qe8 42. g3 Qd7 43. Rf6 Rd8 44. Rd2 Qc6 45. Rd1 Qd7
46. g4 Qc6 47. Rd2 Qd7 48. Rd1 Qc6 49. Rd2 Qd7 50. Rdf2 Qe8
51. h4 Qd7 52. Rg2 Ne6 53. h5 Qe8 54. hxg6 fxg6 55. Rd2 Nf4
56. Bc2 Qe7 57. Rdxd6 Ne2 58. Kf2 Rad7 59. Rxd7 Nf4 60. Rxd8 Qxd8
61. Rf8 Qxf8 62. Qxf8 mate
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - Skymall.com
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2007, 11:22PM »
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Quote from: marko on December 16, 2007, 03:25PM   


Quote from: bobosse on December 16, 2007, 02:27PM   

The one I received from Skymall did not have a private label.


Hello bobosse,
Thanks for the info. Can you please confirm that the Skymall (Excalibur) version supports the same three speaking languages as the Sharper Image model, i.e. English, Spanish and French (no German)?

-Marko

No German - I confirm.
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - Skymall.com
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Quote from: bobosse on December 16, 2007, 02:27PM   

The one I received from Skymall did not have a private label.


Hello bobosse,
Thanks for the info. Can you please confirm that the Skymall (Excalibur) version supports the same three speaking languages as the Sharper Image model, i.e. English, Spanish and French (no German)?

-Marko
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - Skymall.com
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Quote from: marko on December 16, 2007, 10:07AM   

Skymall.com shows their Phantom on "backorder. The expected ship date is 12/21/07." Does anyone know if they private label their version?

http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102528935&c=

-Marko

The one I received from Skymall did not have a private label.
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force - Skymall.com
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2007, 10:07AM »
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Skymall.com shows their Phantom on "backorder. The expected ship date is 12/21/07." Does anyone know if they private label their version?

http://www.skymall.com/shopping/detail.htm?pid=102528935&c=

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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force at Sharper Image
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2007, 11:14AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on December 13, 2007, 01:21AM   

So there will be three models at least.


Actually, at least four models will be available, counting the one from Hammacher Schlemmer, if they private-branded it. Incidentally, their web site shows their model as "SOLD OUT, Due to the popularity of this item, we are unexpectedly sold out." I wonder how many units they sold.

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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force at Sharper Image
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2007, 01:21AM »
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Quote from: TurboKing on December 12, 2007, 05:41PM   


The Sharper Image only offers the cheap imitation of the EPF
Indeed as Steve B explained it ,

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as far as future collectability or value
generally the model released by the company that made the computer is worth more then the re-badged copy especially when the copy is sold by a company (Sharper Image) that is not even a chess computer manufacturer

besides German language is missing from the EPF of the SI.
So I would not buy from SI


As far as I can tell the Sharper Image badged model is exactly the same as the current Excalibur Phantom Force with the addition of the badge. Chess computers often have had badges or marks of marketing companies added to them which do not make a scrap of difference to the collectability and value. Examples being Quelle, CGL, Sandy, Competence.....Steve B is just being his usual mischievious self there TurboKing.

There is no difference in collectability because the Sharper Image is an Excalibur  Phantom Force, not a copy or a clone.

At present there is no model with the German language that is available. Presumably that is a special model being produced for the German market. So there will be three models at least. Marginally the most collectable and more valuable one will be the German language one, I would guess.

All the best
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force at Sharper Image
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2007, 06:22PM »
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Quote from: TurboKing on December 12, 2007, 05:41PM   


The Sharper Image only offers the cheap imitation of the EPF


I would be willing to wager that the Sharper Image Phantom model is the same as the Excalibur 740D sold in the US.


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as far as future collectability or value
generally the model released by the company that made the computer is worth more then the re-badged copy especially when the copy is sold by a company (Sharper Image) that is not even a chess computer manufacturer


I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Old chess computers from Radio Shack are just as collectable as their corresponding models from Saitek, Scisys or other computer manufacturers.

-Marko
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force at Sharper Image
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2007, 05:41PM »
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Quote from: marko on December 11, 2007, 09:32AM   

Sharper Image is offering free shipping again to the 48 states and D.C. for items over $100. Enter "100FSH" at checkout or follow this link:

http://m.sharperimage.com/WBRH0757FF7145493667F3AF9130C0

Happy Holidays!

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The Sharper Image only offers the cheap imitation of the EPF
Indeed as Steve B explained it ,

Quote:
as far as future collectability or value
generally the model released by the company that made the computer is worth more then the re-badged copy especially when the copy is sold by a company (Sharper Image) that is not even a chess computer manufacturer

besides German language is missing from the EPF of the SI.
So I would not buy from SI
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Re:Excalibur Phantom Force at Sharper Image
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2007, 09:32AM »
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Sharper Image is offering free shipping again to the 48 states and D.C. for items over $100. Enter "100FSH" at checkout or follow this link:

http://m.sharperimage.com/WBRH0757FF7145493667F3AF9130C0

Happy Holidays!

-Marko
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