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« on: November 4, 2009, 03:18AM »
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The tournament is finished.

The final classification is as follows:

1)Scisys-Saitek: 9.5 / 15
2)Fidelity: 9
3)Mephisto Schröder: 8

4)World Selection: 7
5)Novag: 6.5
6)Mephisto Team: 5

Top performance of Fidelity Designer 2100 and the Mephisto Rebell 5.0: 5 of 5

Very interesting tournament, it allowed me to use 18 machines in 45 games

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See you soon for another tournament.

Thank you all

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« Reply #1 on: November 4, 2009, 03:13AM »
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Hello,
Last round
Result round 5 - part 3/3

Team “Novag” (1883) – Team “Mephisto Schröder” (1911) 1-2

1) Ruby (1919) – MM IV (1941): 1-0
2) Super Nova (1888) – Super Mondial 2 (1939): 0-1
3) Constellation Expert (1859) – Rebell 5.0 (1853): 0-1

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« Reply #2 on: November 3, 2009, 04:51AM »
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Hello,
Last round
Result round 5 - part 2/3

Team “Mephisto Team” (1883) – Team “Fidelity” (1889) 1-2

1) Amsterdam (1924) – Excel 68000 (1910): 1-0
2) Monte Carlo (1890) – Designer 2100 (1885): 0-1
3) MM IIa (1836) – Avant Garde 2100 (1874): 0-1
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« Reply #3 on: November 1, 2009, 10:54AM »
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Hello,
Last round
Result round 5 - part 1/3

Team “Scisys-Saitek” (1930) – Team “Selection World” (1872) 1-2

1) Turbo King II (1930) – CXG Dominator (1949): 0-1 la partie la plus longue du tournoi – 116 coups
2) Corona (1919) – Tiger Grenadier (1873): 0-1 la partie la plus courte - 24 coups !!! et le Tiger Grenadier annonce un mat en 6 coups
3) Turbo King (1884) – CXG Concerto (1794): 1-0

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« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2009, 01:09PM »
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The round No. 4 is completed

Ranking Round # 4
   
1) Scisys-Saitek : 8,5   
2) Fidelity : 7,0
3) Mephisto Schröder : 6,0

4) Novag : 5,5
5) Selection World : 5,0
6 )Mephisto Team : 4,0


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« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2009, 08:48AM »
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Result round 4 - part 3/3

Team Selection World (1872) – Mephisto Team (1883) 1,5-1,5

1) CXG Dominator (1949) – Amsterdam (1919): 0-1
2) Tiger Grenadier (1873) – Monte Carlo (1890): 1-0
3) CXG Concerto (1794) – MM IIa (1836): 0,5-0,5

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 01:20PM »
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Hello,

Result round 4 - part 2/3

Team Scisys-Saitek (1911) – Novag (1888) 3-0 !!!

1) Turbo King II (1930) – Ruby (1919): 1-0
2) Corona (1919) – Super Nova (1888): 1-0
3) Turbo King (1884) – Constellation Expert (1859): 1-0

The team SCISYS-Saitek “flies” to first place in the tournament.

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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 02:44PM »
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Result round 4 - part 1/3

Team Mephisto Schröder (1911) – Fidelity (1889) 2-1

1) MM IV (1941) – Fidelity Excel 68000 (1910): 1-0
2) Super Mondial (1939) – Fidelity Designer 2100 (1885): 0-1
3) Rebell 5.0 (1853) – Fidelity Avant Garde 2100 (1874): 1-0

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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2009, 09:26PM »
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Result round 3 - part 3

Team “Mephisto Team” (1883) – Mephisto Schröder (1911) 1,5-1,5

1) Amsterdam  (1924) – MM IV ( 1941) : 1-0
2) Monte Carlo (1890) – Super Mondial (1939) : 0,5-0,5
3) MM IIa (1836) – Rebell 5.0 (1853) : 0-1

the round No. 3 is completed
Ranking Round # 3

1) Fidelity : 6
2) Novag : 5,5
3) Scisys-Saitek : 5,5
4) Mephisto Schröder : 4,0
5) Selection World : 3,5
6) Mephisto Team : 2,5

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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2009, 09:33AM »
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Hello,

Result round 3 - part 2

Team “Novag” (1888) – Team “Selection World" (1872) 2-1

1) Ruby (1919) – CXG Dominator (1949) : 1-0
2) Super Nova (1888) – Tiger Grenadier (1873) : 0-1
3) Constellation Expert (1859) – CXG Concerto (1794) : 1-0

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« Reply #10 on: October 6, 2009, 09:17AM »
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Hello,

Result round 3 part 1

Team “Fidelity” (1889) – Team “Scisys-Saitek" (1911) 1,5-1,5

1) Excel 68000 (1910) – Turbo King 2 (1930) : 0,5-0,5
2) Designer 2100 (1885) – Corona (1919) : 1-0
3) Avant Garde 2100 (1874) – Turbo King (1884) : 0-1

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« Reply #11 on: October 1, 2009, 12:31PM »
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Result round 2

Team “Selection Wold” (1872) – Team “Mephisto Schröder" (1911) 2-1

1) CXG Dominator (1949) – MM IV ( 1941) : 1-0
2) Tiger Grenadier (1873) – Super Mondial 2 (1939) : 1-0
3) CXG Concerto (1794) – Rebell 5.0 (1853) : 0-1

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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 12:46PM »
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Result round 2

Team “Scisys-Saitek” (1911) – Team “Mephisto Team” (1883) 2,5-0,5

1) Turbo King 2 (1930) – Amsterdam ( 1924) : 0,5-0,5
2) Corona (1919) – Monte Carlo (1890) : 1-0
3) Turbo King (1884) – MM IIa (1836) : 1-0

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2009, 11:00AM »
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Hello Nick,
Just 5 rounds
Player N°1 meets player N°1 for another team
Player N°2... 2
Player N°3...3

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2009, 10:25AM »
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Quote from: blitzchess on September 26, 2009, 01:22PM   

Hello,

Result round 2

Team “Fidelity” (1889) – Team “Novag” (1888) 2-1

1) Excel 68000 (1910) – Ruby ( 1919) : 0-1
2) Designer 2100 (1885) – Super Nova (1888) : 1-0
3) Avant Garde 2100 (1874) – Constellation Expert (1859) : 1-0

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Hi Eric,

A great win for Fidelity it looks like they will be tough to beat.  Will you be playing just the one round with the machines or 3 rounds where each team machine gets to play every machine in the other team?
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2009, 01:22PM »
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Hello,

Result round 2

Team “Fidelity” (1889) – Team “Novag” (1888) 2-1

1) Excel 68000 (1910) – Ruby ( 1919) : 0-1
2) Designer 2100 (1885) – Super Nova (1888) : 1-0
3) Avant Garde 2100 (1874) – Constellation Expert (1859) : 1-0

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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2009, 08:07AM »
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Result round 1

Team “Mephisto Team” (1883) – Novag (1888) 0,5-2,5

1) Amsterdam  (1924) – Ruby ( 1919) : 0-1
2) Monte Carlo (1890) – Super Nova (1888) : 0,5-0,5
3) MM IIa (1836) – Constellation Expert (1859) : 0-1

the round No. 1 is completed
Ranking Round # 1

1) Fidelity : 2,5
2) Novag : 2,5
3) Mephisto Schröder : 1,5
4) Scisys-Saitek : 1,5
5) Mephisto Team : 0,5
6) Selection World : 0,5

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« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2009, 11:25AM »
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Personally, I play at night (once the kids are in bed  ) and I remain present during the duration of the game.

The level selected is 30 seconds. It's a long way, but I'm not sure it is well respected by the machines. This is an average!

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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2009, 10:22AM »
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Quote from: sc9 on September 22, 2009, 07:13AM   

Also, you mention 30 seconds per move, so as long as all computers get this same time to think while each computer's opponent is thinking about its move, the results should be good enough to update the ratings. However, if you must leave one computer that has displayed its move, to enter the move on another pair of computers, or get distracted for any other reason, the computer that is thinking on its opponent's time will get an unfair time advantage.

So either you have to turn off each computer's "brain" so it can't think on its opponent's time, or you have to pay close attention to ensure that the games proceed uninterrupted without any unnecessary pauses.

How do you handle this issue?


Interesting question.  Personally I do not think it makes much difference since during the course of the game both machines potentially have to live with the same problem.  Unless of course one machine is permanently handicapped because the other machine is always getting the extra thinking time (which still I dont think makes a lot of difference because the other machines gets the same amount of ponder time).  I think this balances out (one thinks longer the other ponders longer and vice versa)

With dedicated machines you will never have an exact science, the phone will ring, the kids want something the door knocks.

The only time this does make a difference is if one machine ponders and one does not and even in that case it really makes  little difference.  The ELO ratings for machines as well as humans should never be taken too seriously, they are interesting reference points but are always a moving target.  There are examples where one machine won the first 6 games against another machine but then lost the next 6 games.  How would this be rated.  What would happen if the first machine wins the next 6 games.

The ratings which may be accurate (or as accurate as you can possibly get) may be engines if you let them play against each other over and over again in tournaments where they automatically play themselves.

Dedicated chess computers follow a much more human path.

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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2009, 07:13AM »
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This is going to be a very interesting tournament. I did something like this with my various Fidelity chess computers many years ago. I included myself so I could estimate the computer's ELO ratings based on the algorithm provided by USCF and the tournament results.

It would be nice to provide updated ELO ratings after the conclusion of your tournament.

Also, you mention 30 seconds per move, so as long as all computers get this same time to think while each computer's opponent is thinking about its move, the results should be good enough to update the ratings. However, if you must leave one computer that has displayed its move, to enter the move on another pair of computers, or get distracted for any other reason, the computer that is thinking on its opponent's time will get an unfair time advantage.

So either you have to turn off each computer's "brain" so it can't think on its opponent's time, or you have to pay close attention to ensure that the games proceed uninterrupted without any unnecessary pauses.

How do you handle this issue?
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