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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2005, 01:39PM »
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Quote from: Endspielgott on April 26, 2005, 05:55AM   



Well, Dick,

Turning 45 degrees: I meant it (of course) mathematically, you know:

The lines are:
A1B2C3D4E5F6G7H8
B1C2D3E4F5G6H7
C1D2E3F4G5H6 and so on...
than it is easywhen you know on which turned line you are:
just add and substract, easy calculating operations







Thanks Christian,

I had not actually thought about it in that way.  It does help.

However, you do realize that you have the square's coordinates backwards, don't you?

They should be:

1A2B3C4D5E6F7G8H
2A3B4C5D6E7F8G

and so on.

You did notice that Mike and I are playing this game using the Fidelity Chess Challenger 1 notation, didn't you? 



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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2005, 06:01AM »
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Quote from: Dick Schneiders on April 26, 2005, 05:18AM   

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I think the other people at work know that I have finally gone nuts.  I have been sitting at my desk, pointing at imaginary chess pieces in the air, as I contemplate my moves.  I know what I am doing (I think), but they haven't a clue why I am doing it. 
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2005, 05:55AM »
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I can't figure out how to turn the "internal board 45 degrees", but possibly if I just lean my body a bit to the left or the right, as I am pointing in the air, I will see those hidden diagonals. 

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Well, Dick,

at my work people are already sure about my mental sanity...they know that it does not exist

Turning 45 degrees: I meant it (of course) mathematically, you know:

The lines are:
A1B2C3D4E5F6G7H8
B1C2D3E4F5G6H7
C1D2E3F4G5H6 and so on...
than it is easywhen you know on which turned line you are:
just add and substract, easy calculating operations




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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2005, 05:26AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 26, 2005, 04:44AM   


I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals. I think about 1000 Elo points has gone missing. Which doesn't leave many.

Dick go easy would you.

6. 5d-5e

I think Ismenio should do the next 5 moves.

Mike




Mike,

Yes, the diagonals are very difficult for me stay aware of. 

You keep pushing those pawns - are you trying to get a second queen already?

I notice that you stopped repeating all of the moves - you figured out that was giving me some assistance, huh?  Well, I do know how to scroll down the list of postings. 

3ex4d

If I move a piece that isn't there, you will tell me, won't you? 

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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 26, 2005, 04:44AM   

Christian

That is better than one of my non-blindfold games.

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals.


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Mike,

you just have to turn your internal board 45 degrees...than the diagonals are lines

Christian


Christian,

I think the other people at work know that I have finally gone nuts.  I have been sitting at my desk, pointing at imaginary chess pieces in the air, as I contemplate my moves.  I know what I am doing (I think), but they haven't a clue why I am doing it. 

I can't figure out how to turn the "internal board 45 degrees", but possibly if I just lean my body a bit to the left or the right, as I am pointing in the air, I will see those hidden diagonals. 

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Christian

That is better than one of my non-blindfold games.

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals.


Mike




Mike,

you just have to turn your internal board 45 degrees...than the diagonals are lines

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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2005, 04:44AM »
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Christian

That is better than one of my non-blindfold games.

I am having a lot of trouble visualising the diagonals. I think about 1000 Elo points has gone missing. Which doesn't leave many.

Dick go easy would you.

6. 5d-5e

I think Ismenio should do the next 5 moves.

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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2005, 12:44AM »
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Dick,

it is pure happenstance:

Last week I played blindfolded against the Sapphire 2 of a collegue of mine
(in the lunchbreak). We gave the Sapphire 3 seconds per move...of course I
lost the game, but I managed to survive some 50 moves...

[Event "3 seconds per move"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Endspielgott"]
[Black "Sapphire II"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Annotator "M,S"]
[PlyCount "105"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. e4 d4 3. Nce2 e5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Ng3 Nf6 6. Bc4 Be6 7. Bxe6 fxe6 8.
d3 Bb4+ 9. Bd2 Bxd2+ 10. Nxd2 O-O 11. O-O Qd6 12. Nc4 Qc5 13. Qd2 b5 14. Na5
Qb4 15. Qxb4 Nxb4 16. Rfc1 Ng4 17. a3 Na6 18. Rf1 Nb8 19. h3 Nf6 20. f4 exf4
21. Rxf4 e5 22. Rf2 c5 23. Nf5 a6 24. Raf1 Kh8 25. g4 Ra7 26. Kg2 (26. Nd6 Rd7
27. Nab7 (27. Ndb7) (27. Nab7 h6 28. h4 Kg8 29. g5 hxg5 30. hxg5 Nh7 31. g6 Nf6
32. Rh2)) 26... Raf7 27. Nd6 Rd7 28. Nf5 Rdf7 29. Nd6 Rd7 30. Nab7 h6 31. Kg3
Nc6 32. h4 Nd8 33. Nxd8 Rxd6 34. Nb7 Rc6 35. Na5 Rb6 36. Rf5 g6 37. R5f2 Kg7
38. Kg2 Rbb8 39. Nc6 Rbe8 40. g5 hxg5 41. hxg5 Nd7 42. Kg3 Rxf2 43. Rxf2 Rc8
44. Ne7 Rh8 45. Nd5 c4 46. b4 cxb3 47. cxb3 Nc5 48. Rf6 Rh1 49. a4 (49. Rc6
Nxd3 50. Rxa6) 49... Rd1 50. axb5 axb5 51. Nb4 Nxd3 52. Nxd3 Rxd3+ 53. Rf3 0-1


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« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2005, 11:00PM »
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Well I did it sometimes with a friend...playing blindfold chess.
The first time I did not manage it, but I tried it several times and after a while it worked...training was the key in this case. But is really hard to produce something worthy...

If you want to blindfold a computer you just have to put a scrap of paper over hte display

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« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2005, 05:07PM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 03:02PM   


1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c        7ex6d
5. 3ax6d.......

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This is my very first attempt at "blindfold" chess.  I never even tried it against one of my computers, as I could not figure out how to "blindfold" the computer. 

Even after only a few moves, I am already beginning to lose the position, in my mind.  Not so much the position of the pieces, relative to each other, as I still have somewhat of a handle on that.  The real problem, from my feeble mind, is I am losing contact with what lines are opened up, or potentially opening up, with every move.  This makes it *very* difficult to maintain a lookout for possible enemy probes into my position, and/or any potential tactics I might employ. 

It is frustrating, as this sort of analysis would be easy, with only a short glance at a physical chess board.  It is like I am, well, blind! 

I am unable to imagine how the masters can play multiple, simultaneous blindfold games.  Are they allowed to get clues, as they move from board to board, as to the postion so that they can be reminded of each game?  If not, I am really astounded at this mental capacity.

Ok, I suppose I need to make a move, anyway.

3g-3e

Deeper and deeper into the quagmire I go.

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« Reply #30 on: April 25, 2005, 03:37PM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on April 25, 2005, 03:23PM   

This is getting interesting!
Go get him Mike! I think he's getting nervous!
He's about to fall for the CC1-Watters maneuver!


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This is getting interesting!
Go get him Mike! I think he's getting nervous!
He's about to fall for the CC1-Watters maneuver!


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I am glad you keep repeating all of the moves - I have already forgotten where your pieces are located.

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c        7ex6d

Is that the correct notation, using the "x", for this method?  Or is it just 7e-6d?

I drew first blood!   


Ouch!! We would have preferred to go on developing in our own sweet way. Wouldn't we Ismenio? But if you insist :-

5. 3ax6d.......

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« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2005, 06:32AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 04:38AM   


Umm you are showing your age. Kings bishop. Is that to Kings knight two? Now it starts to get more difficult.

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c which is what Ismenio would have played if he had been here. Where is he 

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I am glad you keep repeating all of the moves - I have already forgotten where your pieces are located. 

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c        7ex6d

Is that the correct notation, using the "x", for this method?  Or is it just 7e-6d?

I drew first blood!   

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Weak? I find that really hard to believe Dick
As for the FRC, I never got into that, though I find the idea interesting. I know of at least one program that plays Fischer Random Chess but can't remember the name now. I'm sure we can search for it.

I wonder if there is even a market for a chess computer that could play traditional chess + FRC 

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Quote from: Ismenio on April 25, 2005, 04:47AM   


Just sitting back and enjoying the game!
I want to see the end of this!!


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You started this, and then you bow out - I know this was just a simple gambit to get me into a game so that you can all see how weak I am. 

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Can't wait to see when you guys decide to play FRC using this notation!

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Have you ever played Fischer Random Chess in a game?  I never have.  Are there any chess software packages that will allow FRC?

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4. 7a-6c which is what Ismenio would have played if he had been here. Where is he 

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Just sitting back and enjoying the game!
I want to see the end of this!!

Can't wait to see when you guys decide to play FRC using this notation!

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Yes, I see that.  I like it when the sellers use such clear and large pictures.  It is easy to see what it is I am bidding on.

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g (I hope this is the King Bishop I am moving  )

I thought Grob was played with White?

Dick Schneiders


Yes I think it is, but Mike Basman used to play this sort of set up with black or white. Not that I know much about it, as you will soon see. Let's call it the Grob Defence until someone puts us right.

Umm you are showing your age. Kings bishop. Is that to Kings knight two? Now it starts to get more difficult.

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g
4. 7a-6c which is what Ismenio would have played if he had been here. Where is he 

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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 25, 2005, 12:51AM   

Dick

So Serial Number 36164 is not a CC1. But that is a good set of pieces I see there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5190068161&fromMakeTrack=true

As Ismenio has sidestepped the blindfold move lets go :-

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M)

Grobing In The Dark
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Mike,

Yes, I see that.  I like it when the sellers use such clear and large pictures.  It is easy to see what it is I am bidding on.

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M) 6h-7g (I hope this is the King Bishop I am moving  )

I thought Grob was played with White?

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Dick

So Serial Number 36164 is not a CC1. But that is a good set of pieces I see there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5190068161&fromMakeTrack=true

As Ismenio has sidestepped the blindfold move lets go :-

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) 7g-7e
3. 6b-6d (M)

Grobing In The Dark
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