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« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2005, 07:51AM »
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Now that would be some interesting reading - how did the Sensory 9 fare?


Well, that also didn't work. I keep trying to figure out how to break up the original posting to insert my comments at various places, and it seems to be beyond my level of intelligence.  I tried the "quote" option above, and that didn't do it.

Oh well, at least I did discover something very useful - the "Glow" option! 

Dick Schneiders
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I gave up with that splitting the quoted passages thing because I couldn't get it to work. No doubt Ismenio will instruct us incompetents.

Mr Basman demonstrates the Sensory 9s strengths and weaknesses over 3 pages of explanation and diagrams.

Try this out with your Sensory 9 (Level 7)
1 g4  d5
2 h3  e5
3 Bg2  Nc6
4 c4  dxc4
5 Bxc6+  bxc6
6 Nf3  e4
7 Ne5  Bc5
8 Qa4  Qf6
9 Nc3  ?

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« Reply #41 on: April 21, 2005, 07:21AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 21, 2005, 06:35AM   

Aha. Do not celebrate too soon. I used to subscribe to Mike Basmans "Rabbits Review" in the early 1980s.



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Curses, foiled again!! 


In front of me I have his "The Popchess Computer Special Dec 1983" in which he tests the Grob against the Sensory 9, Conchess, Mephisto II, MGS Morphy, Elite A/S and Constellation. He feeds them positions from Basman - Tony Miles (Benedictine 1981).


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Now that would be some interesting reading - how did the Sensory 9 fare?


Dick Schneiders


Well, that also didn't work. I keep trying to figure out how to break up the original posting to insert my comments at various places, and it seems to be beyond my level of intelligence.  I tried the "quote" option above, and that didn't do it.

Oh well, at least I did discover something very useful - the "Glow" option! 

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« Reply #42 on: April 21, 2005, 07:05AM »
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Aha. Do not celebrate too soon. I used to subscribe to Mike Basmans "Rabbits Review" in the early 1980s.



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Curses, foiled again!! 


In front of me I have his "The Popchess Computer Special Dec 1983" in which he tests the Grob against the Sensory 9, Conchess, Mephisto II, MGS Morphy, Elite A/S and Constellation. He feeds them positions from Basman - Tony Miles (Benedictine 1981).


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« Reply #43 on: April 21, 2005, 06:35AM »
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Aha, do you mean you have not confronted this defense before?  It actually is an opening devised by one of your countrymen, Michael Basman, in the 1970's, I believe. 

I haven't used it on the reversed grid of the CC1, though, since it won't let me play black.  Therefore, this "blindfold" idea, using CC1 notation, will probably not go very far before I am playing wrong moves, or even illegal ones. 

That should be ok, though, since the CC1 allows illegal moves, right? 

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Aha. Do not celebrate too soon. I used to subscribe to Mike Basmans "Rabbits Review" in the early 1980s. He was a sort of Hippy Hero of club chess players and weekend congresses at that time. I still have some training cassette tapes of his somewhere. Now let me see ....Giuoco Piano, Greco Counter Gambit, Grunfeld....no I don't see it.

In front of me I have his "The Popchess Computer Special Dec 1983" in which he tests the Grob against the Sensory 9, Conchess, Mephisto II, MGS Morphy, Elite A/S and Constellation. He feeds them positions from Basman - Tony Miles (Benedictine 1981).

Changing the subject I see he does a short review of the Chess King Micro. Yoiks this means it was first sold in 1983 or before. I have to have one. It cost £32 in 1983. I will copy the review onto the Chess King thread.

Grob upside down in CC1 notation. I am feeling groggy.

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« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2005, 03:28AM »
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You have got to be kidding, Mike.  "Blindfold" using the CC1 notation!!

I don't yet have a partner, but my next move would be:

2........, 7g-7e

I will soon be lost in a quagmire, trying to do this.

Dick Schneiders
Dick now that is an interesting move.

I think that Ismenio and I will have to confer on that.

For a partner there is a guy called Anand who is supposed to be OK at blindfold, but your local chap Karpov will do.

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Aha, do you mean you have not confronted this defense before?  It actually is an opening devised by one of your countrymen, Michael Basman, in the 1970's, I believe. 

I haven't used it on the reversed grid of the CC1, though, since it won't let me play black.  Therefore, this "blindfold" idea, using CC1 notation, will probably not go very far before I am playing wrong moves, or even illegal ones. 

That should be ok, though, since the CC1 allows illegal moves, right? 

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You have got to be kidding, Mike.  "Blindfold" using the CC1 notation!!

I don't yet have a partner, but my next move would be:

2........, 7g-7e

I will soon be lost in a quagmire, trying to do this.

Dick Schneiders
Dick now that is an interesting move.

I think that Ismenio and I will have to confer on that.

For a partner there is a guy called Anand who is supposed to be OK at blindfold, but your local chap Karpov will do.

Lost without a map
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« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2005, 05:01PM »
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How about a game of blindfold chess using CC1 notation? 
No cheating and looking at a board.

Ismenio & Mike v Dick & A.N.Other (non-arcade conditions)

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) .........




You have got to be kidding, Mike.  "Blindfold" using the CC1 notation!!

I don't yet have a partner, but my next move would be:

2........, 7g-7e

I will soon be lost in a quagmire, trying to do this.

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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2005, 04:20PM »
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Now that would be a sure way to tell if someone were cheating in an online game

Can you imagine seeing that in a chat window:

Player2: 2a-3b, I mean, b1d3!


Of course, if the guy was using a CC1 to cheat, that could be worse than those folks using a computer+software to cheat!

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Ismenio,

What, no response to my first move, as black?  Is it that unusual? 

I am not crazy - that is the first move of an opening I have been playing for awhile. 

I usually lose with it, but I usually lose with everything I try.  At least this opening will give many of my opponents a different look from the very beginning.  Also, some of my computers do not know what to do to take advantage of a strange wing opening like this.

Dick Schneiders


Dick, that was an interesting opening but using the CC1 has my head spinning
If you revert to, let's say, the CC3 standard I can give it a try, though I'm probably not a player worthy of playing with anyone here! I have loved the game long before I developed this unhealthy interest in the computers but I was never a strong player

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How about a game of blindfold chess using CC1 notation? 
No cheating and looking at a board.

Ismenio & Mike v Dick & A.N.Other (non-arcade conditions)

1. 4b-4d (I)  8g-8f
2. 5b-5d (M) .........

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Ismenio,

What, no response to my first move, as black?  Is it that unusual? 

I am not crazy - that is the first move of an opening I have been playing for awhile. 

I usually lose with it, but I usually lose with everything I try.  At least this opening will give many of my opponents a different look from the very beginning.  Also, some of my computers do not know what to do to take advantage of a strange wing opening like this.

Dick Schneiders


Dick, that was an interesting opening but using the CC1 has my head spinning
If you revert to, let's say, the CC3 standard I can give it a try, though I'm probably not a player worthy of playing with anyone here! I have loved the game long before I developed this unhealthy interest in the computers but I was never a strong player

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Quote from: Ismenio on April 19, 2005, 09:57AM   

Thanks for yet another great list Mike!
I foresee the questions to future sellers now: “hi, can you tell me what the serial number is?”

4b to 4d regards,

Ismenio



I play 8g to 8f, in response, Ismenio.  That is my usual response to Queen Pawn openings.

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Ismenio,

What, no response to my first move, as black?  Is it that unusual? 

I am not crazy - that is the first move of an opening I have been playing for awhile. 

I usually lose with it, but I usually lose with everything I try.  At least this opening will give many of my opponents a different look from the very beginning.  Also, some of my computers do not know what to do to take advantage of a strange wing opening like this.

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Quote from: Mike Watters on April 19, 2005, 12:41PM   

BTW Dick I found my FICS password after months of looking for it so I logged on.

In the chatroom was a certain "rgschneider". Any relation?

Mike


I hate it when I forget or lose a password/log on name combination.  Usually I simplay join up again when that happens.

I doubt that it is any relation.  My last name has an "S" on both ends, and I have never seen any others like that in years of looking into big city phone directories (other than immediate family).

However, if they have a set of CC1/CC3 pieces they can spare, I would certainly claim them as a long lost cousin or something. 

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BTW Dick I found my FICS password after months of looking for it so I logged on.

In the chatroom was a certain "rgschneider". Any relation?

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Quote from: Ismenio on April 19, 2005, 09:57AM   

Thanks for yet another great list Mike!
I foresee the questions to future sellers now: “hi, can you tell me what the serial number is?”

4b to 4d regards,

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I play 8g to 8f, in response, Ismenio.  That is my usual response to Queen Pawn openings.

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I foresee the questions to future sellers now: “hi, can you tell me what the serial number is?”

4b to 4d regards,

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As long as no scammer tries to list number 12140 on Ebay. 

It is a pity CC1s cannot play black. Mine are a bit lonesome with nothing bad enough to play against.

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Thanks for yet another great list Mike!
I foresee the questions to future sellers now: “hi, can you tell me what the serial number is?”

4b to 4d regards,

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Thanks for this.  It is an interesting array of numbers.  Does the question mark on the last entry mean that you aren't certain that is the correct serial number, or that you question the validity of a 6 digit number?

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Yes, it is dubious. Karsten B put a question mark against it on the list of 14 he posted on Kurts site. I think the theory is that the serial number plate may have belonged to another type of machine.

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Hi All

I just thought I would post the CC1 Serial Numbers we have so far. Perhaps others who own a CC1 will add their numbers to the list.

There does not seem to be any pattern in the Serial Numbers which identifies a CC1 as a CC1. Nevertheless it may be interesting to track what is happening over time as machines appear on Ebay etc and others change hands between collectors.

Here is the list :-

1827  Luis Barona Boj
5432  Wolfgang Rausch
5580  Karsten Bauermeister
6506  Steve Blincoe
6620  Kurt Kispert
6875  Karsten Bauermeister (Niggemann Museum)
7765  Gorgon Haas
8206  Karsten Bauermeister
8302  Mike Watters
11435 Mike Watters (ex Steve Blincoe, ex Steffen Scholz)
12140 Ismenio Sousa
13124 Heinz Nixdorf
14265 Manfred Vellmer
16533 Dick Schneiders
20137 Josef Zwinger
23143 Manfred Vellmer (ex Piel)
27566 Manfred Vellmer (ex Günther Wüste)
30409 Steffen Scholz
852194 (?) Alwin Gruber

All the best
Mike


Mike,

Thanks for this.  It is an interesting array of numbers.  Does the question mark on the last entry mean that you aren't certain that is the correct serial number, or that you question the validity of a 6 digit number?

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Hi All

I just thought I would post the CC1 Serial Numbers we have so far. Perhaps others who own a CC1 will add their numbers to the list.

There does not seem to be any pattern in the Serial Numbers which identifies a CC1 as a CC1. Nevertheless it may be interesting to track what is happening over time as machines appear on Ebay etc and others change hands between collectors.

Here is the list :-

1827  Luis Barona Boj
5432  Wolfgang Rausch
5580  Karsten Bauermeister
6506  Steve Blincoe
6620  Kurt Kispert
6875  Karsten Bauermeister (Niggemann Museum)
7765  Gorgon Haas
8206  Karsten Bauermeister
8302  Mike Watters
11435 Mike Watters (ex Steve Blincoe, ex Steffen Scholz)
12140 Ismenio Sousa
13124 Heinz Nixdorf
14265 Manfred Vellmer
16533 Dick Schneiders
20137 Josef Zwinger
23143 Manfred Vellmer (ex Piel)
27566 Manfred Vellmer (ex Günther Wüste)
30409 Steffen Scholz
852194 (?) Alwin Gruber

All the best
Mike
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