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Re:How Computer Chess Changed Programming
« on: November 16, 2010, 06:53AM »
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Quote from: tony on November 15, 2010, 11:41AM   

converting those euro's to USD , I would have to take a second mortgage on my house to buy one. are they all hand made, thus driving up the price?  regards, tony


Probably that is the issue, or possibly that there are so few of them being made (intentionally or not), this is driving up the price (law of supply and demand).

I would expect a decent machine could be made for a tenth of the price (closer to the price of a desktop PC).

It wouldn't have to be the strongest either. Even if it had decent construction (not cheap looking) and well-designed analysis features like the Fidelity Elite has, but with at least a 2400 rating, this would provide MORE than enough strength for the average player.

I realize PC programs are stronger and cheaper, but I like the play on a real board with pieces, and do NOT wish to play on a 2D computer screen. Also, I do not wish to tie up a PC with its higher electric power needs, compared to the lower power requirements a dedicated chess computer has. This is becsause a game I play, can last weeks - so energy efficiency is important.

Thanks for the good discussion!
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Re:How Computer Chess Changed Programming
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converting those euro's to USD , I would have to take a second mortgage on my house to buy one. are they all hand made, thus driving up the price?  regards, tony
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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2010, 06:02PM »
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Selective Brute wrote:
"Just checked the price of the Revelation from http://www.phoenixcs.nl/: it is 3199 euros. "

Why they are so expensive?
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Re:How Computer Chess Changed Programming
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Quote from: ricard60 on November 14, 2010, 07:51AM   

But i think with the combination of a pda and palm hiarcs 13.1 or the latest pocket fritz you can have a 2700+ playing strength machine for less than 1500 euros.

- And a netbook with Rybka could cost under 400 euros and probably be stronger than Deep Blue. But these affordable options are not dedicated chess computers.
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But i think with the combination of a pda and palm hiarcs 13.1 or the latest pocket fritz you can have a 2700+ playing strength machine for less than 1500 euros.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 04:54AM »
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Quote from: sc9 on November 11, 2010, 06:23AM   
They said a program the strength of Deep Blue could fit on a single chip. It would be nice to buy a high featured dedicated chess computer today for the price of a desktop PC with that strength.
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The Revelation from Phoenix Chess Systems is the highest rated dedicated chess computer on http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/Wiki-Elo-Liste. I don't know how far it is from Deep Blue's strength. Could get a little closer if the newest Rybka or Stockfish would be offered with it. According to the schach-computer.info wiki the price is circa 2500 euros - more than an average desktop PC.

edit.  Just checked the price of the Revelation from http://www.phoenixcs.nl/: it is 3199 euros.
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Re:How Computer Chess Changed Programming
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 10:28AM »
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Hey sc9,

Funnily enough I was listening to coverage of the Tal Memorial Tournament today on Chess FM (http://www.chessclub.com/chessfm).  During the coverage Yasser Seirawan asked Jan Smeets about his experience of working on Veselin Topalov's world championship team, and their use of Rybka on a large computer cluster (http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6348)

Perhaps unsurprisingly Jan's view was that the combination of software and hardware available to the team provided positional analysis that was markedly better than that of standard packages running on laptop or desktop machines.

He also felt that there would be no more serious computer / human tournaments in the vein of Deep Blue, unless the machines were handicapped by turning off opening books, end game databases and limiting computer game time to 10 minutes

13 years is a long time in computing!


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How Computer Chess Changed Programming
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Interesting 5 minute audio slide show on the history of computer chess.
They said a program the strength of Deep Blue could fit on a single chip. It would be nice to buy a high featured dedicated chess computer today for the price of a desktop PC with that strength.
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http://spectrum.ieee.org/slideshow/computing/software/how-computer-chess-changed-programming/?utm_source=techalert
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