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« Reply #160 on: May 29, 2005, 12:12PM »
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What a good memory you have. Of course I decide on my moves like lightning but it is only fair to give your opponent plenty of time to ponder. Isn't it?

As far as I know you cannot turn pondering off. Christian do you know what EXTRA does?

Mike


Mike,
you decide on your moves like lightning....this tells me enough about your calculation depth

EXTRA is something which cannot used by us, the access is only possible for Ruud (maybe online diagnostics or fundamental changes...). He told me NOT to meddle with this menu point...so I do.

But: If you cannot resist: Let me know your EXTRAPERIANCE

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« Reply #161 on: May 27, 2005, 04:31PM »
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Folks,

I found this excellent site that I'm definitely adding a link to. It's an on-line PGN viewer that let's you paste in your games and replay them right in the browser! The others I've seen require the game to be saved first. I've used it to replay the Resurrection games you're posting here and it works great! So you can view the games anywhere now!

http://members.shaw.ca/lapides/pgnedit/pgnedit.html

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« Reply #162 on: May 25, 2005, 04:20PM »
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Alain,

I think you are right. I tend to move very fast, since I am an impatient person
Maybe Mike as an elderly chap (it is him who said so once) takes his time to execute the moves, and by doing this he might come to better results in the same position.

All the best,

Christian
Christian

What a good memory you have. Of course I decide on my moves like lightning but it is only fair to give your opponent plenty of time to ponder. Isn't it?

As far as I know you cannot turn pondering off. Christian do you know what EXTRA does?

Mike
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« Reply #163 on: May 25, 2005, 11:29AM »
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Quote from: Endspielgott on May 25, 2005, 05:50AM   

that is indeed interesting.
Given the same time it should reproduce the same moves...Maybe there is some "randomness" build in?

If the pondering is on, may be the time the opponent takes to answer could make the difference, isn't it ?

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Alain,

I think you are right. I tend to move very fast, since I am an impatient person
Maybe Mike as an elderly chap (it is him who said so once) takes his time to execute the moves, and by doing this he might come to better results in the same position.

All the best,

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« Reply #164 on: May 25, 2005, 09:45AM »
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Quote from: Endspielgott on May 25, 2005, 05:50AM   

that is indeed interesting.
Given the same time it should reproduce the same moves...Maybe there is some "randomness" build in?

If the pondering is on, may be the time the opponent takes to answer could make the difference, isn't it ?

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« Reply #165 on: May 25, 2005, 05:50AM »
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Mike,

that is indeed interesting.
Given the same time it should reproduce the same moves...Maybe there is some "randomness" build in?

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« Reply #166 on: May 25, 2005, 05:35AM »
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All.

At my point of view the Ruffian is not as strong as the  BT Test results say...I played several games, and if I end up in a somewhat postitional game the Ruffian does not know what to do...he is acting without any idea how to proceed or to take action...here one of several examples:


[Event "15 min per game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ruffian 2.01"]
[Black "Endspielgott"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B12"]
[PlyCount "114"]

{16384kB, General.ctg. PentiumII
} 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. c3 Qb6 5.
Nf3 e6 6. Nh4 Ne7 7. Nxf5 Nxf5 8. Bd3 g6 9. O-O Be7 10. Bxf5 gxf5 11. Qh5 Nd7
12. b3 Rc8 13. Bf4 Nf8 14. Bh6 Ng6 15. Bg7 Rg8 16. Qxh7 Kd7 17. Bf6 Rcf8 18.
Bxe7 Kxe7 19. Qh3 Kd7 20. Qe3 Qd8 21. Nd2 Nh4 22. g3 Rg4 23. Kh1 Ng6 24. Qh6
Rh8 25. Qe3 f4 26. Qf3 Qg5 27. Nb1 Qh6 28. Qg2 f3 29. Qg1 Nf4 30. Nd2 Ne2 31.
Nxf3 Nxg1 32. Kxg1 Re4 33. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 34. Rxe1 Qh5 35. Re3 Qf5 36. Kg2 Qc2 37.
b4 Qxa2 38. h4 a5 39. bxa5 Qxa5 40. Ng5 Rf8 41. Rf3 Ke8 42. Nh7 Rh8 43. Ng5 Rf8
44. Nh7 c5 45. Nxf8 Kxf8 46. h5 cxd4 47. cxd4 Kg7 48. Rf6 Qc7 49. g4 b5 50. g5
b4 51. g6 fxg6 52. Rxg6+ Kh7 53. Rg3 Qc4 54. Rf3 b3 55. Rf7+ Kh6 56. Rb7 Kxh5
57. Rh7+ Kg6 0-1


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Christian

In your game Ruffian seems unable to choose good moves from move 24 onwards. When I play this game Ruffian sometimes plays the moves it played against you, and sometimes more constructive moves counter attacking on the Queenside.

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« Reply #167 on: May 25, 2005, 02:06AM »
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All.

At my point of view the Ruffian is not as strong as the  BT Test results say...I played several games, and if I end up in a somewhat postitional game the Ruffian does not know what to do...he is acting without any idea how to proceed or to take action...here one of several examples:


[Event "15 min per game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ruffian 2.01"]
[Black "Endspielgott"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B12"]
[PlyCount "114"]

{16384kB, General.ctg. PentiumII
} 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. c3 Qb6 5.
Nf3 e6 6. Nh4 Ne7 7. Nxf5 Nxf5 8. Bd3 g6 9. O-O Be7 10. Bxf5 gxf5 11. Qh5 Nd7
12. b3 Rc8 13. Bf4 Nf8 14. Bh6 Ng6 15. Bg7 Rg8 16. Qxh7 Kd7 17. Bf6 Rcf8 18.
Bxe7 Kxe7 19. Qh3 Kd7 20. Qe3 Qd8 21. Nd2 Nh4 22. g3 Rg4 23. Kh1 Ng6 24. Qh6
Rh8 25. Qe3 f4 26. Qf3 Qg5 27. Nb1 Qh6 28. Qg2 f3 29. Qg1 Nf4 30. Nd2 Ne2 31.
Nxf3 Nxg1 32. Kxg1 Re4 33. Rfe1 Rxe1+ 34. Rxe1 Qh5 35. Re3 Qf5 36. Kg2 Qc2 37.
b4 Qxa2 38. h4 a5 39. bxa5 Qxa5 40. Ng5 Rf8 41. Rf3 Ke8 42. Nh7 Rh8 43. Ng5 Rf8
44. Nh7 c5 45. Nxf8 Kxf8 46. h5 cxd4 47. cxd4 Kg7 48. Rf6 Qc7 49. g4 b5 50. g5
b4 51. g6 fxg6 52. Rxg6+ Kh7 53. Rg3 Qc4 54. Rf3 b3 55. Rf7+ Kh6 56. Rb7 Kxh5
57. Rh7+ Kg6 0-1


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« Reply #168 on: May 25, 2005, 02:01AM »
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I was not 100% clear on what this update is about. En passant handling?



Mike,

the update was about how to take out a piece in the correct order...at V2.00 and 2.01 you had first to remove the piece from the board and than execute the move of the "outtaker"...and you should not have executed these two steps too fast , otherwise R. could become confused...
With the update 2.02 this "bug" is fixed. This a update fixes apparently also something about en passant, but I never had a problem with this...in fact I never had a problem with taking out pieces and so on....

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« Reply #169 on: May 25, 2005, 01:48AM »
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at first thank you again for the cable. We tested it yesterday, and dispite the gnawing marks of my little one it worked perfectly well.

To answer one of your questions: An USB - serial cable can be easily obtained at an electronic store...they might not be this cheap (10 maybe, depending on the length)...

Your second question I cannot answer for sure...it should work but I did not (yet) try it (lack of cable). Short email to Ruud could solve this little riddle

Christian
Christian

Good to hear that the cable worked.

I shall email Ruud as you say. We have another update so I will watch out for a USB option along the way.
I was not 100% clear on what this update is about. En passant handling?

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Ismenio on your question about the Resurrection to PC connection, a USB to Serial cable would be more convenient. Ruud sent a Serial to Serial cable so that is what I have used. Is a USB to Serial cable easily obtained and would it work using HyperTerminal?

All the best
Mike



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Mike,

at first thank you again for the cable. We tested it yesterday, and dispite the gnawing marks of my little one it worked perfectly well.

To answer one of your questions: An USB - serial cable can be easily obtained at an electronic store...they might not be this cheap (10 maybe, depending on the length)...

Your second question I cannot answer for sure...it should work but I did not (yet) try it (lack of cable). Short email to Ruud could solve this little riddle

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« Reply #171 on: May 24, 2005, 11:29PM »
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Ismenio on your question about the Resurrection to PC connection, a USB to Serial cable would be more convenient. Ruud sent a Serial to Serial cable so that is what I have used. Is a USB to Serial cable easily obtained and would it work using HyperTerminal?

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« Reply #172 on: May 24, 2005, 08:16AM »
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After some testing of the Resurrection against the Tasc R30 v2.5 I came to the conclusion that the Tasc does seem to have an advantage at 30 sec per move (average). I got a bit fed up with this  so I tried them at 20 secs per move (average). This was a different story.

In the first game at 20 secs Resurrection, playing white,  soon won a pawn, maintained an advantage and ground the Tasc down in 81 moves. Unfortunately I lost moves 2-9  so cannot post the game here.

The second game at 20 secs per move went like this :-

[Date 22/05/2005]
[White Tasc R30 v2.5]
[Black Resurrection v2.01]
[20 secs per move average]
[Result "0-1"]
1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. e3 d5 4. Bb5 Bd6 5.
Nf3 Qf6 6. d4 e4 7. Ne5 Nge7 8. O-O O-O 9. Qh5 g6 10. Ng4 Bxh2+ 11. Qxh2 Bxg4 12. Qxc7 a6 13. Bxc6 bxc6 14. Ba3 Rfe8 15. Nc3 Nf5 (Tasc +0.49 Ress +0.42) 16. Rfe1 Re6 17. Na4 Qd8 18.Qf4 Qh4 19. Nc5? g5 20. Qh2 Qxh2+ 21. Kxh2 Rh6+ 22.Kg1 Nh4 (Tasc -0.70 Ress +1.30) 23. Rec1 Nf3+ 24.Kf1 Nxd4 25. f3 Nb5 26. fxg4 Nxa3 27. Kf2 Rf6+ 28. Ke1 Rd6 29. c4 dxc4 30. bxc4 Rb8 31. Nxe4 Re6 32. Nxg5 Rxe3+ 33. Kf2 Rd3 34. Nf3 Rb2+ 35. Kg3 c5 36. g5 a5 37. Re1 Nxc4 38. Re8+ Kg7 39. Rc1 Ne3 40. Rxc5 Rxg2+ 41. Kh3 Rf2 (Tasc -2.09 Ress +1.95)42. Kg3 Rxa2 43. Rc1 Nf5+ 44. Kf4 Nd6 45. Re5 Ra4+ 46. Kg3 Raa3 47. Rf1 Nc4 (Tasc -5.00 Ress +4.86) 48. Re2 Nd2 49.Rxd2 Rxd2 50. Kf4 Rdd3 51. Ne5 Rd4+ 52. Kf5 Re3 53. Ng4 Rd5+ 54. Kf4 Rb3 55.Nh6 Rb4+ 56. Ke3 Rxg5 57. Nf5+ Kf8 58. Nh6 Rg3+ 59. Kd2 Rb7 60. Nf5 Rb2+ 61.Kc1 Rgg2 62. Ne3 Rge2 63. Rf4 Ra2 64. Kb1 a4 65. Nc4 Rg2 66. Rd4 h5 67. Rd8+Ke7 68. Rd1 Rae2 69. Rh1 h4 70. Rf1 h3 71. Ne3 Rxe3 72. Rh1 Ree2 73. Kc1 h2 74.Rf1 Rg1 75. Kd1 Reg2 76. Re1+ Rxe1+ 77. Kxe1 h1=Q# 0-1

The Tasc plays 19 Nc5 quickly but after the reply g5 its evaluation flips from +0.28 to -0.81. Resurrection soon wins a pawn and its active use of its rooks puts it well on top.

As I do not usually do much computer v computer testing I do not know the reason for others choosing 30 sec per move. From what I have seen Resurrection may be at a disadvantage using that particular response time.

Ismenio on your question about the Resurrection to PC connection, a USB to Serial cable would be more convenient. Ruud sent a Serial to Serial cable so that is what I have used. Is a USB to Serial cable easily obtained and would it work using HyperTerminal?

All the best
Mike
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« Reply #173 on: May 22, 2005, 01:35PM »
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Hi Ismenio,

it's a modular board:
http://www.schachcomputer.at/modular.htm

I wanted to test it against the London 68020 which doesn't work in a Modular and since I own only one Exclusive, the Resurrection had to move to the Modular... I probably will have to buy another wooden board to give the Royale Resurrection an adequate home... 
(as Steve already pointed out correctly).

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« Reply #174 on: May 22, 2005, 11:25AM »
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Hi Martin,

What board are you using here?



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« Reply #175 on: May 22, 2005, 05:17AM »
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Hi all,

kudos to Ruud making it a very easy process indeed. Even me managed it within 5 minutes:

http://www.arcor.de/palb/album_popup_big.jsp?albumID=3291845&pos=7&interval=0&width=1024

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« Reply #176 on: May 22, 2005, 04:25AM »
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Mike, do you have a serial port on your computer or do you use a USB-to-Serial adapter?

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« Reply #177 on: May 21, 2005, 11:00PM »
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Well today being Sunday I should have time to play Resurrection and put it head to head against the Tasc R30.

I have just carried out the update to v2.01 mentioned below. It is a fairly simple procedure using HyperTerminal and a serial cable between the chess computer and the PC. The update file came as an email attachment from Ruud. Getting Resurrection to receive the update properly took a few goes but now I know what to look for, it should be straightforward.

Incidentally the update is added to the versions available on the module, and the versions are easily interchangeable using the menu options. So in theory we may end up with many different chess programs and versions on Resurrection.

Changing programs "on the fly" would be nice.

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« Reply #178 on: May 20, 2005, 05:46AM »
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Try this one: http://xs29.xs.to/pics/05205/dirty_dozen_small.GIF
I may be too small though. I can see if we can enhance it later

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Perfect. Thanks a lot.

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(PS: Loved your picture )

Christian:
I still think calling the group the Dirty Dozen was a move worthy of a GM title

Thanks!

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Ismenio,

You should forward this particular idea to the FIDE...
This could be my only chance ever to get a title

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