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« on: June 2, 2005, 12:37AM »
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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on June  1, 2005, 11:54AM   

Hello Robert,

both are 6098, and they give the exact same answer time for all problems I gave them...

Ok, then it's clear!

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When I got the second one and saw the difference, I asked the silver/gold question on CCC (I tought that one could have been upgraded) and Steve Blincoe said that it was not the only occasion where the same model had two colors schemes.

You can for example see two variants of the Par Excellence here :
http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/ParExcellence.htm

very interesting; again, I've learned something new!


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« Reply #1 on: June 1, 2005, 11:54AM »
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Hello Robert,

both are 6098, and they give the exact same answer time for all problems I gave them...

When I got the second one and saw the difference, I asked the silver/gold question on CCC (I tought that one could have been upgraded) and Steve Blincoe said that it was not the only occasion where the same model had two colors schemes.

You can for example see two variants of the Par Excellence here :
http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/ParExcellence.htm

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« Reply #2 on: June 1, 2005, 07:40AM »
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Hello Alain,

Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on May 24, 2005, 12:55AM   

Anyway, I bought a few months later another Excel Mach III on ebay.fr, I paid 35% less, it was in very good shape and even had its box 
Now, I have two working Excel Mach III, one with golden letters and the other with silver letters  (ok, one is still looking bad)

Alain


I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure, that an Excel with silver letters is a normal Excel 68000 (or Mach II); only the one with the golden letters is a real Mach III!

But you can easily verify it:
The silver one should have the model-nr. 6094 or 6097 on the sticker on the bottom; the golden should be 6098...


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« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2005, 04:15PM »
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Well, horror stories ... mine are mainly unpleasant experiences, and I hope they taught me a lesson or two.

About a year ago, I saw a CC10 at eBay. When the machine arrived, part of the LED display did not light up.

After some correspondence, the (Austrian) seller promised me a refund. A few weeks passed and I received an email that a virus attack had wreaked havoc on his computer: "Could I please send him the number of my bank account again?"

Well, I was friendly (read: inexperienced) enough to accede. The feedback term expired and I never received the promised refund.

The second bad experience occurred when I bought a Chesster (would Fidelity computers be extra susceptible to fraud?) -- again from an Austrian seller. When the computer arrived, my excitement about this extraordinary computer soon evaporated when the computer would not play any chess. I heard a few random remarks by Ephraim Kishon, but that was about all.

Since I'd recently had such a bad experience, I immediately suggested a settlement. This only seemed to infuriate the seller: how dare I make such impertinent suggestions? The computer had yielded less money than the seller expected, so I was not the one to complain! Just to avoid trouble, he was prepared to refund me half the amount paid, but ONLY AFTER I had given him positive feedback. Of course, I told him, I did not agree.

When the three weeks I'd given him had expired, I gave him negative feedback ... of course followed by the familiar Pavlov response: a negative feedback in return.

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    http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/weblog/31AUG04.html

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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2005, 09:45AM »
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Steffen and I have a shared Ebay Horror Story which he may not have realised.

One of my early Ebay purchases was a Par Excellence from a guy in Brighton, UK for £50. It was described as Mint and fully working. When it arrived two or three LEDs were not working and you could see where a repair had been attempted and failed.

Of course I complained and the guy seemed receptive to giving a refund. His emails seemed OK. Anyway I sent it back to him. Which was to be the last I saw of the machine or the money.

Sometime later I came across a listing with exactly the same machine being sold by him. The listing had been slightly changed to avoid actually saying Mint or fully working. Anyway this person called "smartcapitalist" bought it. I had no idea who this was at the time.

That made my mind up and I made a claim to Ebay and left negative feedback. A few negatives had appeared by then but soon negative feedback started appearing from everywhere. The seller had gone bad at just that time selling £250 mobile phones to people and not supplying them. Steffen posted a negative a while later because the seller did not send the machine to him.

This is the one and only crook I have personally come across on Ebay, if you don't count an Eyeball Second Chance Offer scam.

Now the smashed MB Grandmaster Lid. That is another story.

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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2005, 09:07AM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on May 23, 2005, 10:27AM   

Yes, but there's also a problem with that. The Fidelity seal was glued in the wrong place so it really doesn't look good and I don't think it can be easily removed and glued into the proper place without damaging it In short, that was a dissapointing auction. Also, the package is missing one of the styrofoams!

I have a picture. As you can see, the cover itself is in great shape but look where they glued the the seal! And for the looks of it, it came like that from the factory. Hmmm... maybe it's a rare cover?!



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If I had only known I would have made you a massive offer for that lid with the ultra rare assymmetrical badge. This only had an exceptionally short production run. I could have claimed a new robot variant.

Shame about the styrofoam though. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2005, 12:55AM »
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Hi,

I have two of them :

1) Chess Challenger 6 bought on ebay.com last september and never received.
As several computers took more than 2 months to come from the US, it was difficult to know if the item had been sent or not before the 90 days delay of ebay.
I did not lose too much money anyway (around $30) because the computer itself was almost free

2) Excel Mach III bought on ebay.de from a well known German Seller (This is not a member of this forum)
The computer was described as in "very good condition"... but :

1) the board itself is in pretty bad shape, the words "Fidelity Electronics" and "Chess Challenger" are damaged
2) the battery compartment is broken inside and it is impossible to put batteries
3) most segments of the display start to blink after a few minutes and then go off or on randomly
4) the computer resets itself every few minutes

#4 is fixed by not using the adapter the seller sent me but the one I got with another Mach III
#3 can be more or less fixed if I insert some stuff inside the computer to make a pression somewhere on the mainboard but it does not last very long.

This seller is well known in Germany but often critized on the Suche & Biete Forum.
I think this guy is very lucky with his ebay evaluations : when I received the computer, I played a blitz and everything went fine, of course I was disappointed by the external shape of the computer but I thought that it was technically ok. I found out the real problems later, after having put my eval. Then I looked at his evaluations and some other were also mixed : a man who had bought him some Mephisto modulset wrote that the display module received was not working... but that it was not too dramatic because he already had a display module and the game module was OK, and he put a positive evalutation...

Anyway, I bought a few months later another Excel Mach III on ebay.fr, I paid 35% less, it was in very good shape and even had its box 
Now, I have two working Excel Mach III, one with golden letters and the other with silver letters  (ok, one is still looking bad)

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2005, 03:17PM »
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Yes, MY ebay horror story is just brandnew:
I bought a Conchess Ambassador. It was not working. So I asked the seller either to re-fund or that I would send it to Arno Kreuzberg. He refused both. I would have to agree that I should have to send it back to him and HE would decide whether he would re-fund afterwards. I tried to contact him several times (because of the repair by Arno), no more answer.
So I gave him negative feedback.
His only answer was to give back negative feedback. I contacted ebay that I first had the defect and then additionally the negative feedback. They don´t mind...
Great stuff!!!

So I tell you I will in the future do more exchanges or purchses/sales privately, I am really disappointed from ebay.

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Yes, but there's also a problem with that. The Fidelity seal was glued in the wrong place so it really doesn't look good and I don't think it can be easily removed and glued into the proper place without damaging it In short, that was a dissapointing auction. Also, the package is missing one of the styrofoams!

I have a picture. As you can see, the cover itself is in great shape but look where they glued the the seal! And for the looks of it, it came like that from the factory. Hmmm... maybe it's a rare cover?!



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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2005, 09:33AM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on May 23, 2005, 07:04AM   

Well, the last Phantom with the dust cover arrived but it's not working
Good news is that I've contacted the seller and he/she asked it returned for a full refund.

Ismenio


You weren't able to work out some deal so that you could keep the dust cover?  I certainly would have made the seller an offer he couldn't refuse so that I could have kept that part of the deal.

That was the main reason you were bidding on it, anyway, as I recall.

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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2005, 09:32AM »
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I have had very good luck on eBay, in over 500 transactions, even buying a BMW that way.

There were 2 or 3 problems, but like you they have been very cheap items.  The only one on chess computers was a Novag Secundo hand-held that was listed as being in mint, like-new condition.  When it arrived it looked to be in decent condition, but when I opened up the battery compartment to put some batteries in, I found the entire area severly corroded.  I was unable to clean it up enough to get it to work, but the seller refunded my money.

Not much exciting to relate, from my experiences.

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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2005, 07:04AM »
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Well, the last Phantom with the dust cover arrived but it's not working
Good news is that I've contacted the seller and he/she asked it returned for a full refund.

But that made me think about the cases where trouble was the norm. I haven't really had much problems with sellers on eBay but I know some of us have been through a lot so I was wondering if anyone would like to share some horror stories and lessons learned from them.

One that I have is for a handheld that was listed as "brand new in the box, perfect condition" and when it came it was a non-working unit and it was open! I think it even had some screws missing. But, since I paid about $3 for it I wasn't too upset but that was still very dishonest.

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