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« on: June 8, 2005, 07:46PM »
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Quote from: steffen on June  7, 2005, 11:42PM   
...The Robot is in my eyes the most wanted chess computer ever built. Even people who do not play chess want one.
I know about the other robot, the Boris Handroid, the following: One was sold to Japan, and I guess it´s somehow only there as an investment. The second one stands in Switzerland. And one guy said he would possess a third one.
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Thanks for that post Steffen! That was great info, as I only knew about 2 Handroids. A 3rd one out there sounds pretty interesting news to me.

By the way, does anybody know if the folks in Hong Kong ever built at least one prototype for the talking robot before they cancelled the project?

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PS: Since we have some visitors and new friends who may be new to some models like the Handroid, here's what it looks like:



You can see more on Kurt's site: http://www.schachcomputer.at/handroid.htm
English translation by Google: http://tinyurl.com/a6esa

And here's the Excalibur one that was never released:


Here's a bigger picture: http://allfun.com/data/img/740large.jpg

Interestingly, it is still featured on this site as "product unavailable":

http://allfun.com/catalog/pages/roboticchess.htm

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Quote from: Robert Weck on June  7, 2005, 11:53PM   

I believe, that a really working Savant is more rare than a working Robot!

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Robert,

I think the Peri Epsilon seems to be even rarer hence there is only one known collector who owns one...

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[quote author=Mike Watters You have a point there Ismenio. I wonder just how many of these Novag Robots in collectors hands are really fully working.

I recall Jan Stroeher telling me that in the past a number of people had claimed to have a working Savant but when put to the test they all mysteriously developed faults. I know Jan had two working Robots at that time but he said that it was not really advisable to ship them.

Jan also had the "Savant-problem"! He told me, that one time he wanted to show his (as he assumed) working Savant to another collector and when he switched it on, the liquid-crystals ran out and the display became dark! >:(

I believe, that a really working Savant is more rare than a working Robot!

It seems that it would be no good investment to buy a "working Savant" for much money! :-


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The Savant did have a different problem: The display was constructed the wrong way, so that the crystals did no more work after one or two years. The Savant did not have any other problem.

The Robot is in my eyes the most wanted chess computer ever built. Even people who do not play chess want one.
I know about the other robot, the Boris Handroid, the following: One was sold to Japan, and I guess it´s somehow only there as an investment. The second one stands in Switzerland. And one guy said he would possess a third one.
So I think if one buys such a Robot and gets it repaired by Arno, plays one game a month one has also got a very good investment for something so many people wish to have.

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Quote from: Ismenio on June  7, 2005, 03:42PM   

That's very interesting Christian! Though I would like to have a robot like this, I do wonder about playing with it and how long it would last in my hands!

I read somewhere form a guy who worked or had a shop selling those saying how unreliable they were. He said they would leave the robots running over night to test them and in the morning about half of them had problems.

Then he would sell the other half to customers and half of those were returned
So it is a rare computer and something great to have but I wonder about getting one, today, that would work without problems for a long period of time. Repairing them would be very expensive I can imagine and time consuming as well!

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You have a point there Ismenio. I wonder just how many of these Novag Robots in collectors hands are really fully working.

I recall Jan Stroeher telling me that in the past a number of people had claimed to have a working Savant but when put to the test they all mysteriously developed faults. I know Jan had two working Robots at that time but he said that it was not really advisable to ship them.

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That's very interesting Christian! Though I would like to have a robot like this, I do wonder about playing with it and how long it would last in my hands!

I read somewhere form a guy who worked or had a shop selling those saying how unreliable they were. He said they would leave the robots running over night to test them and in the morning about half of them had problems.

Then he would sell the other half to customers and half of those were returned
So it is a rare computer and something great to have but I wonder about getting one, today, that would work without problems for a long period of time. Repairing them would be very expensive I can imagine and time consuming as well!

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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on June  6, 2005, 03:59AM   

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Quote from: Robert Weck on June  6, 2005, 03:54AM   

There was another one on X-mas 2004 (yes, it was 12/24/04! nice christmas-present!  ) which climbed to nearly 3200 Euros; but I don't remember, if it was working ok!


It was supposed to work... but there is no ebay evaluation between the seller and the buyer of the computer  .

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Alain,

as far as I know this Robot is still in repair...

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Quote from: stefffen on June  5, 2005, 02:40AM   

...yes, but he adds a second unused robotic arm together with the auction

This second arm is now for auction. It looks like 1910 Euro for the Robot was too low for the seller to give the buyer the arm for free! (as he promised in the Robot-auction!)

But it is not the complete arm; only the end-part with the "fingers" and the motor

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40855&item=5205934956&rd=1

If there is damage to the rest of the arm, this won't help very much!


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« Reply #8 on: June 6, 2005, 05:38AM »
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I had saved information from that auction, including the pictures. Here it is for reference.
You can see that the seller does mention something about a need of a "lubricant". Maybe someone can give us a better translation of that part. This one even had the printer.

Auction text. German:

    Absolute Rarität "SCHACH ROBOTER" 70er / 80er Jahre
Schach Computer mit Roboterarm sehr selten    Item number: 5944292935   
       
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Winning bid:     EUR 3,188.00 (Approximately US $4,305.08)
Ended:     Dec-24-04 12:30:00 PST
Start time:    Dec-17-04 12:30:00 PST
History:    28 bids  (EUR 1.00 starting bid)
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Item location:     Winsen
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Hier gibt es etwas ganz besonderes. Ein Schachbrett mit Roboterarm. Hergestellt wurde diese Seltenheit von der Fa. Nova, mit hochwertigen Materialien. Neben dem Netzteil ist auch ein Drucker dabei, der ihnen alle Züge ihres Spiels dokumentiert. Eine Anleitung gibt es nicht mehr - aber wer das Spiel beherrscht sollte zurecht kommen. Einziges Manko: wegen 15 bis 20 Jahre Dornröschenschlaf sind wohl die Schmierstoffe im Roboterarm verharzt und die Motoren mühen sich sichtlich diesen zu bewegen - das muß gemacht werden, sonst scheint alles in Ordnung. Es gibt sogar ein Proram dann spielt der Roboter allein. Zu einem großen Teil besteht das Gerät das ein tolles Desgin hat, aus Aluminium - trotz dem wiegt es gut 10Kg! Dem Alter entsprechend sind geringe Gebrauchspuren verständlich. Von Privat o.Garantie. Eine tolle Gelegenheit die nicht so schnell wieder kommt - wenn überhaupt. Wünsche viel Spaß beim bieten.

Am 19.12.04 hat der Verkäufer die folgenden Angaben hinzugefügt:

Information - die Auktion wird nicht vorzeitig beendet.


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    Q: Hallo, nochmal eine Frage von mir. Trotz aller Internetpräsentationen über dieses Gerät konnte ich nicht herausfinden mit welcher Technik das Gerät die Züge erkennt. Handelt es sich um einen Drucksensor oder um einen Reedkontakt, also um eine magnetische Zugerkennung ohne Druck und Folienfeld ? Danke Gruß Rainer Bernhardt     Answered on Dec-22-04
      A: Hallo Rainer, du hast Recht - die Zugerkennung erfolgt durch einen Reedkontakt und wird Magnetisch hergestellt - schon beim Aufstellen der Figuren hört man wie der Kontakt geschlossen wird und es wird arkustisch vom Gerät quittiert. Gruß, Oliver


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Absolute rare piece "CHESS ROBOT"/80's 70's chess computer with bionic arm very rarely Item NUMBER:  5944292935 email ton of A friend Bidding has ended for this item.  (frosch102 is the more winner).  Larger Picture Winning bid:  EUR 3.188,00 (Approximately US $4.305,08) Ended:  Dec-24-04 12:30:00 PST start time:  Dec-17-04 12:30:00 PST History:  28 bids (EUR 1,00 starting bid) Winning more bidder:  frosch102 (300Feedback score is 100 tons of 499) Item location:  Winsen Germany Ships ton:  Worldwide Go down Shipping, payment detail and return policy Seller information air pool (172Feedback score is 100 tons of 499) feedback Score:  172 positives feedback:  100% Member since Jan-23-02 in Germany READ feedback COMMENT ADD ton of Favorite Sellers Ask of seller A question View seller's OTHER items safe Buying tip Description (revised) Item Specifics condition:  Used This translation is provided as A service eBay CAN emergency guarantee its accuracy.  View Item Specifics in original LANGUAGE.  Here there is somewhat completely special.  A chessboard with bionic arm.  This rarity of the company new facts, with high-quality materials was manufactured.  Beside the power pack participates also a printer, which documents them all courses of its play.  A guidance does not give it any longer - however who should come the play controlled by right.  Only deficiency:  because of 15 to 20 years Sleeping Beauty slumber the lubricants are verharzt in the bionic arm and the engines probably strive themselves obviously these to move - that must be made, otherwise everything seems in order.  It gives even a pro RAM then plays the robot alone.  To a large part the equipment consists some mad Desgin has, of aluminum - despite it weighs well 10Kg!  The age small use-pure are understandable accordingly.  Of private o.Garantie.  A mad opportunity those so fast again does not come - if at all.  Wish much fun with offer.  To 19.12.04 the salesman added the following data:  Information - which auction not prematurely terminated.

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Q:  Hello, again a question of me.  Despite all InterNet presentations over this equipment I could not find with which technology the equipment out the courses recognize.  Does it concern around a pressure sensor or a reed contact, thus around a magnetic course recognition without pressure and foil field?  Greeting thanks Rainer Bernhardt
Answered on Dec-22-04 A:  Hello Rainer, you is right - the course recognition effected via a reed contact and is manufactured magnetic - already when setting up the figures hears one like the contact is closed and it arkustisch by the equipment is acknowledged.  Greeting, olive


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Quote from: Robert Weck on June  6, 2005, 03:54AM   

There was another one on X-mas 2004 (yes, it was 12/24/04! nice christmas-present!  ) which climbed to nearly 3200 Euros; but I don't remember, if it was working ok!


It was supposed to work... but there is no ebay evaluation between the seller and the buyer of the computer  .

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Quote from: Endspielgott on June  5, 2005, 01:51AM   

1910 Euros!!!

That is really a lot.

There was another one on X-mas 2004 (yes, it was 12/24/04! nice christmas-present!  ) which climbed to nearly 3200 Euros; but I don't remember, if it was working ok!

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I was discussing this topic with a friend, and he told my that the robotic arm of the adversary was in a position which could not reached without using brutal force...the mechanics inside could be severely damaged...

Would be interesting if the buyer will get it to work!


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Hi Ismenio,

it´s about 200 Kilometers.
And Arno has got some good experience with Robots (robotronics is one of the 6 professions he learned...).

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I think a 2nd arm would be a great addition



Does anyone know how far the winner is from Arno (in case he does send it to him - I think he will) and how much the shipping would be? (seller -> buyer / buyer -> Arno / Arno -> buyer)?

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Quote from: stefffen on June  5, 2005, 02:40AM   

...yes, but he adds a second unused robotic arm together with the auction


Steffen,

that would be really unique...a Novag robot with two arms...not great chessplaying but over the top: The greatest armwrestling machine ever build...

This is a recipe for getting immensely rich: buying all non functioning Robots and start a production of arm wrestling machines...Ismenio, what do you think?



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1910 Euros!!!

That is really a lot. I was discussing this topic with a friend, and he told my that the robotic arm of the adversary was in a position which could not reached without using brutal force...the mechanics inside could be severely damaged...

I wonder how long it will take until Arno Kreuzberg will get a huge parcel

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Well, in just a couple of hours we will know how much one will pay for this, I won't be home to watch the final match so I'll just post this update now.

Original page in German: http://tinyurl.com/d9nsf
AltaVista translation in English: http://tinyurl.com/86vay


I'm saving the text and pictures here for future reference. Once the auction ends we can update the final price.

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They offer on one of the rarest chess computers at all.

The model Robot Adversary of the company Novag is a technical masterpiece, where a bionic arm moves the figures. SUCH a chess computer gave and it will so never again give.

The chess computer is optically in a good condition. It has hardly scratches and also no manifestations of wear. Also all figures are and not in the picture recognizably, the original hood there. Unfortunately however I do not believe that the Robot any longer am functional. I could not examine this however, since I power pack or guidance to this chess computer did not besitzte.

However I, who am been versed if someone a bischen and come to a power pack believe, to repair it no large thing would be the Robot. Thus I sell the Robot(ohne it to know exactly), as technically defective and exclude warranty of requirements.

However this chess computer is a true sensation and nowadays is it nearly impossible at so a sports club ranzukommen.

More genuinly must for collecting tanks, because the chance on so equipment occurs very rarely.

Accessories: none. I sell this chess equipment after best conscience. In addition all Garantieanspueche is omitted. I, postage of the buyers pay Ebay.

Much luck

To 28.05.05 the salesman added the following data:

Still a few additions. To the network: it is to be gotten surely possible one, since the Stromstaeeke and conditions all are noted on the chess computer.

I found now the guidance.

Also I could find out, who the Robot was stored still well functioned hat(bevor he, sell however as defective). The bionic arm was only stuck in the stretched position. Man should never pull manually on the arm of the robot, therefore I leave it in the stretched position. The computer is thus not very defective. Also I must mention it on some playing fields light rings give where the figures stood. These however hardly fall auf(s.Fotos), I wanted to only mention. Evnt. I became with a good purchase price extra an Robot arm which I have still in addition-give. Offer further much luck with. I am available with questions.

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To avoid again the reference around misunderstandings. I sell this equipment as defective.


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I would like to see that. One fear that I have is that I think it is kind of slow I'm not putting it down or anything, I still would like to have one but to actually play and enjoy it I would prefer to have a modern version.

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It was a very tempting price when you bid Alain.

Not so much now.

Has anybody here seen a Novag Robot Adversary working?

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Interesting auciton to watch! Thanks for posting that Alain.

Question: how does that standard disclaimer about warranty works when you have a non-working computer? I mean, if you say upfront that it's not working you're covered right?

By the way, for those who haven't seen it yet, here's the site for a guy who worked on that project: http://www.sbrosseau.com/

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