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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« on: June 11, 2005, 02:18AM »
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Tom,

it seems to me that there is only one company left producing chess pieces...at least they manage to produce them in diffeent colours...this seems to be a sort of chessmencommunism...we are all equal.

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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2005, 02:16AM »
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Yesterday, as I was setting up a recently acquired Novag computer, it struck me that the chessmen hardly differed from the saitek ones.

I made pictures of Tandy, Saitek and Novag pieces. As far as I can see, there is no difference between the shapes of the Tandy and Saitek chessmen.

The ones from Novag and Saitek are not identical, but would be good candidates for "Spot The Difference".

Well, just see for yourself ...


Saitek


Tandy


Novag

I must say that CXG and Mephisto showed much more originality in designing their chessmen.

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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2005, 12:55PM »
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Robert

Many thanks for the information and link to your Wikipedia article. Very helpful.

I must have one now.

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2005, 02:37AM »
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If the manufacturer doesn't put his name on it, I usually don't file it under their names (as I do with Tandy/Radio shack).

Radio Shack/Tandy is always a problem for me: I never know what's hiding behind! I.e. Radio Shack 2250 XL or so; is this a GK2100/Cenurion-clone or is it faster; maybe like the Saitek Cougar with 16 MHz instead of the normal 10 MHz?

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And I was glad Robert answered that one about the Conic. He knows  more than I do. Nice page and great photographs!!

Thank you! 

Btw.: As far as I know, it is the biggest peg-sensory chess-computer! (with this, it made it into the Wiki-"Hall of Fame"!


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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2005, 02:17AM »
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If the manufacturer doesn't put his name on it, I usually don't file it under their names (as I do with Tandy/Radio shack). But 'maybe, I'll venture to qualify the Mark II as "probably Novag".

And I was glad Robert answered that one about the Conic. He knows  more than I do. Nice page and great photographs!!

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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 01:43AM »
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Nice little machines the round (or vertical) Chess Champion Mark IIs. Amongst the noisiest too. With a lot of musical chirping. Certain to get the wifes nerves on edge.

Quelle must have been the distributor?

That's correct; the round/vertical MK II's have been distributed by Quelle (a very well known mail-order-company here in Germany!)

I find it interesting that their number- and letter-keys are separated; the "horizontal" MK II's have normal "A1", "B2"-keys and so on)

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Tom what do you think of the Conic Tracer you have? I have tried to get one a couple of times without success. Do you have a date when they were sold?

Although I'm not Tom, I can maybe help you a little bit too!

I have written a "Schachcomputer-Wikipedia"-article about it! I don't know how good you can read German...

Mine is called "Hanimex Computer Chess", but it is the same as the Conic Tracer.

http://www.schach-computer.info/wiki/index.php/Hanimex_Computer_Chess

As far as I know, it's from 1981.


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« Reply #6 on: June 9, 2005, 10:44PM »
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It did surprise me too that the series of Chess Champions seemed to be split somewhere in the middle and went from Novag to Scisys.

By the way, today I receieved a Champion mk II, which had no mention of either Novag or Scisys, but only Quelle. Consequently I filed it under "miscellaneous"  >:(, as you can see at http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCmkII.html

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Hello Tom

Nice little machines the round (or vertical) Chess Champion Mark IIs. Amongst the noisiest too. With a lot of musical chirping. Certain to get the wifes nerves on edge.

Quelle must have been the distributor? I would have put it firmly in the Novag section myself.

Tom what do you think of the Conic Tracer you have? I have tried to get one a couple of times without success. Do you have a date when they were sold?

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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #7 on: June 9, 2005, 03:11PM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on June  7, 2005, 04:47PM   

I would like to know also.
The Chess Partner 2000 was first sold in late 1980. David Levy (Intelligent Software) would have been working for Scisys on the Chess Champion Mk IV and Mk V at the time. This followed his programs for Novag in the Chess Champion Mk I, II and III. Perhaps the rights to the Chess Champion dynasty were switched from Novag to Scisys at that moment.
About this time Novag switched to David Kittinger with the Super Sensor IV and Savant.
Maybe there was a parting of the ways which led Novag to cover up David Levys name on their version of the Chess Partner 2000? I believe that David Levy may have acquired a financial interest in Scisys?
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It did surprise me too that the series of Chess Champions seemed to be split somewhere in the middle and went from Novag to Scisys.

By the way, today I receieved a Champion mk II, which had no mention of either Novag or Scisys, but only Quelle. Consequently I filed it under "miscellaneous"  >:(, as you can see at http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCCmkII.html

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IMHO, The strange part of the story is this: apart from the fact that this is the only time I've seen Novag and Scisys "cooperate" on any computers and the fact that the chessmen are definitely Scisys chessmen as have been used in at least twenty of their computers, there is this notice on the "scisys box", which says "Program written by international chess master DAVID LEVY for CHESS CHAMPION". This text has been covered by a sticker ... why?

Quite strange

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Tom

I would like to know also.

The Chess Partner 2000 was first sold in late 1980. David Levy (Intelligent Software) would have been working for Scisys on the Chess Champion Mk IV and Mk V at the time. This followed his programs for Novag in the Chess Champion Mk I, II and III. Perhaps the rights to the Chess Champion dynasty were switched from Novag to Scisys at that moment.

About this time Novag switched to David Kittinger with the Super Sensor IV and Savant.

Maybe there was a parting of the ways which led Novag to cover up David Levys name on their version of the Chess Partner 2000? I believe that David Levy may have acquired a financial interest in Scisys?

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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
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Quote from: Mike Watters on June  6, 2005, 01:26PM   
I do not know anything about the programs in either machine except that David Levy programmed for Scisys and Novag at that time.
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IMHO, The strange part of the story is this: apart from the fact that this is the only time I've seen Novag and Scisys "cooperate" on any computers and the fact that the chessmen are definitely Scisys chessmen as have been used in at least twenty of their computers, there is this notice on the "scisys box", which says "Program written by international chess master DAVID LEVY for CHESS CHAMPION". This text has been covered by a sticker ... why?

Quite strange

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Quote from: Ismenio on June  6, 2005, 11:43AM   

I remember that now Mike! That's how I got mine
Now, while we're on this subject, can anyone tell the difference between the 2000 and the 3000 model?
Two units were sold on eBay recently:

Ismenio

Apologies Ismenio.
I had forgotten that you had got a Chess Partner 2000 since I wrote that.

As for the differences between the 2000 and 3000. Well there are substantial differences between the boards (no ridges between and keypads. As you can see from the photos on this thread. I do not know anything about the programs in either machine except that David Levy programmed for Scisys and Novag at that time. I did get a Chess Partner 3000 a few months back from Karsten B but it was smashed on arrival and a write off. So I am still looking for the right one.

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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #11 on: June 6, 2005, 11:43AM »
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I remember that now Mike! That's how I got mine
Now, while we're on this subject, can anyone tell the difference between the 2000 and the 3000 model?
Two units were sold on eBay recently:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40856&item=5203126308
EUR 20.00

And this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40855&item=5200630575
EUR 1.00





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Re:Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #12 on: June 6, 2005, 10:06AM »
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Tom

Back on Page 11 of previous threads is one I wrote on the Chess Partner 2000. This is what I wrote :-

"This is one of the real old chess computers. It was amongst the first touch sensories, produced in late 1980. On the box it says it is a Scisys but the manual is copyright of Novag Industries Ltd. Novag and Scisys occupied the same buildings in Hong Kong at the time. I never know whether to call the Chess Partner 2000 a Scisys or a Novag. Karsten B hedges his bets by putting one under Novag and two under Scisys/Saitek in his collection list. 

Here is one :-

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1182&item=5170375536&rd=1

It is a pleasant enough machine to play. Note the quaint raised ridges between the squares. The touch sensory board works well. Adaptor only. Plastic pieces similar to a Sargon 2.5 in a compartment at the side. A red LED display and brown plastic reminiscent of a Novag Chess Champion Mark II.

This is a machine which seems to be neglected by collectors. I do not remember it featured on anyones website. I cannot find it on any Elo list, though it must be on one somewhere. There is no information in the manual either about the program, programmer or processor.

Yet it seemed to sell in fair numbers in the UK and Germany and comes up on Ebay quite often.

Further information would be happily received".


I am still none the wiser on the commercial connection between Scisys and Novag. Though now, thanks to you, it will be featured on a website.

Mike

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« Reply #13 on: June 6, 2005, 09:03AM »
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Tom,

I can only guess that even competitors sometime come with some strange license agreements that let them repackage each other's product and sell them under their brand.
In your example I'm scratching my head trying to fiture out why the same name! Maybe they were sold in different regions and they agreed on some kind of deal to only sell their version in area A?

I don't quite understand how it works but here's what I think is a more recent example that I'm sure you know about:

Lexibook:


LCG3000 Light & Sound Chess
http://www.lexibook.co.uk/Lexibook04/Products/LexibookJunior/LCG3000.htm

The kids version:


LB1011 Electronic Chessman Light
http://www.intplay.com/lexibook.htm

And, Excalibur, I believe, created the thing:


ELECTRONIC GLASS CHESS SET
http://meganscrafts.com/product_toys.html

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Connections between Novag and Scisys
« Reply #14 on: June 6, 2005, 06:40AM »
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Not so long ago, I received two identical looking computers, both named Chess Partner 2000

According to the manual, one was made by Novag. But the box of the other mentioned Scisys. Ive described the problem at http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngCP2000_2x.html


(Novag)


(Scisys)

The boxes are also different:


Does anybody know the story behind this strange phenomenon?

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