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Re:Changing level on Fidelity Micro?
« on: February 27, 2005, 08:34AM »
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Hi Dick,
Quote from: Dick Schneiders on February 27, 2005, 08:24AM   

Do you know if the A1, and so on, levels are only for two person play?  At those levels, the compter won't respond with a move and I have to press the MO key to make it do anything.

yes, A1 is like you found out. Also level B1 (=level 2), E1, F1, A2, B2, E2, F2, A3 and so on untill A8, B8, E8 and F8.

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2005, 08:24AM »
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Hi Dick,

Quote from: Dick Schneiders on February 26, 2005, 05:11PM   

As I said, the G7 and H8 buttons have another type of symbol other than a chess piece and I don't know what they are for, either.

I have the same micro challenger like you (with 4x4 keys). The icons near G7 and H8 is for changing colors in the verify or setup mode. Unfortunately my german manual covers the model 6096 with the 3x4 keys. But it is noticed, that there are 64 levels. From level 1 (press LV + A1 + A1 + EN) to level 64 (H8). But even at highest level 64, fidelitys answer takes only ~20s.

I hope this helps you moving on.

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Yes, that is very helpful.  Thanks so much, Bernhard.

I noticed today on one of the European sites that somebody has one for sale with only the 3 rows of buttons.  However, in the description, it was said to have 64 levels, which I knew wasn't true.  However, I guessed from that information, that the one I have with the 4 rows of buttons must have 64 levels, as you said.

I think now I can begin to use this thing a bit more.  I like to take it to work with me, as I am an accountant and it looks just like a small calculator! 

I have been playing it at level H4, not knowing what that level really was, and mating the computer every time after a lengthy game.  Of course, this computer plays at a very low level, even at the highest one, but it is nice to know, at least, that H4 isn't one of the easiest levels. 

Do you know if the A1, and so on, levels are only for two person play?  At those levels, the compter won't respond with a move and I have to press the MO key to make it do anything.

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Re:Changing level on Fidelity Micro?
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2005, 08:12AM »
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Hi Dick,

Quote from: Dick Schneiders on February 26, 2005, 05:11PM   

As I said, the G7 and H8 buttons have another type of symbol other than a chess piece and I don't know what they are for, either.

I have the same micro challenger like you (with 4x4 keys). The icons near G7 and H8 are for changing colors (G7=white, H8=black) in the verify or setup mode. Unfortunately my german manual covers the model 6096 with the 3x4 keys. But it is noticed, that there are 64 levels. From level 1 (press LV + A1 + A1 + EN) to level 64 (H8). But even at highest level 64, fidelitys answer takes only ~20s. Some levels, like the weakest A1 and B1, are for entering moves for both sides. You need there to press MO to start his thinking. Others, like G1 and H1, give additional warnings.

I hope this helps you moving on.

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2005, 05:11PM »
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Also, each of my position buttons, like A1, B2, etc. show a picture of one of the pieces, I assume for the VP (verify position) button that you don't have.  As I said, the G7 and H8 buttons have another type of symbol other than a chess piece and I don't know what they are for, either.

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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2005, 05:09PM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on February 26, 2005, 03:32PM   

Dick,

Yes, I sent you the complete manual. So I believe you have a different version. Take a look at this picture and tell me how different this is from yours:

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Yes, that is very different than mine.  I have 4 rows of buttons, not three like yours.  My 3rd row has the NG, SP, VP, and SO buttons that are not mentioned in the manual.  Yours has a gap where these three buttons are on mine. 

Also, yours clearly shows three different positions on the Off/On/Save switch, while mine has two, with the Save/Off being both in the same position.

This is really strange to me, as there is a huge difference in our two Fidelity Micros.  I suspect that mine also has a lot more levels of play, and that is why I am unable to figure out how to get them where I want them.

Nowhere on the Internet have I read about these different models, but this lowly little chess computer isn't very popular with the dedicated chess computer crowd.

Now I know that I need to find another manual.  Classic Chess has a lot of Fidelity manuals for sale on their site.  I need to find out which version of the Micro they have for sale.

Thanks for the close up of yours.

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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2005, 03:32PM »
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Yes, I sent you the complete manual. So I believe you have a different version. Take a look at this picture and tell me how different this is from yours:

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2005, 03:13PM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on February 23, 2005, 05:15AM   

Dick, I was typing after I had read the manual. It is the "Fidelity Micro Chess Challenger" 513.1134A01

The manual is on its way. I was playing with mine and it seems to be working differently from what you described. For one thing, when I turn if off, instead of switching to “save”, it resets the level back to L1. I was able to chance levels mid game without problems.

When you press LV to change levels, you should see the level and the dashes right? For example 2 _ _ _
When that happens, did you try to make your move right away? I.e., without pressing enter but simply the move, like d4d5 + EN? What happens?

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Very strange, Ismenio.

When I turn mine on and press LV, the display shows L_H7.  If I press the LV key again, the display blanks out and it is ready to play a game.  I have been able to change the levels to H1, H2, H3, etc. and play the computer, and the strength of the computer's play does increase with each level.  I change the levels by pressing LV and then pressing H1 and then press LV again and it is ready to play at that level.

I have tried to change the level to A1, A2, etc. and then the computer gets into the two person mode, where I can only force the computer to make a move if I press the move key. 

It isn't worth your trying to analyze this, and hopefully when I get the manual I can figure out what is going on.  I did press a lot of buttons the first day I had this Micro, and I might have gotten it into some strange mode.

Thanks,

Dick



I got the manual and now I am really confused.  Are you certain you sent me all the pages of the manual?  I even had my wife read the French parts to be certain there wasn't something there than was missing in the English version.

There is nothing, just as you said, in the manual explaining anything about the levels that I am seeing on my Micro.  However, beyond that, there is no mention in the manual of the NG key (which I think means new game), the SO key (which is sound off), the VP key (which is probably verify position, but I have no idea how it works), or the SP key, which I have no idea about.  Does your Micro have those keys?  If so, I can't imagine why the manual doesn't mention them.

Also, what are the two symbols on the G7 and H8 keys?  They are two ovals, one is white and the other is black with a white outline. 

I am totally mystified.  My Micro is a later one than yours, per the serial numbers, but I wouldn't think there would be many differences.  I might need to buy a manual on the Internet and see what I get.

Thanks,

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 07:24PM »
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Well, it appears that I made a good guess on these 4 digit codes.  Here is part of what that link said:

"4-digit date code


Calculators introduced later than 1975 and not produced in far East use a four digit code to define the week and year of manufacturing.

Example:  2676 reads as 26th week of the year 1976"

It went on to say that others reversed the 4 digit codes with the year first, like on your Micro.  It seems that the week and year are what these 4 digit date codes signify.

Dick




Looks like you can now change the date on your picture for the Micro and get rid of another question mark.

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Quote from: Ismenio on February 23, 2005, 05:41PM   

Hi Dick,

Yes, my serial number is printed on the same sticker as the date code. Here's something that I just found but didn't have time to read it yet. Maybe you can figure out if that applies to our machines:

http://www.datamath.org/Datecodes.htm

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Well, it appears that I made a good guess on these 4 digit codes.  Here is part of what that link said:

"4-digit date code


Calculators introduced later than 1975 and not produced in far East use a four digit code to define the week and year of manufacturing.

Example:  2676 reads as 26th week of the year 1976"

It went on to say that others reversed the 4 digit codes with the year first, like on your Micro.  It seems that the week and year are what these 4 digit date codes signify.

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Hi Dick,

Yes, my serial number is printed on the same sticker as the date code. Here's something that I just found but didn't have time to read it yet. Maybe you can figure out if that applies to our machines:

http://www.datamath.org/Datecodes.htm

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Quote from: Ismenio on February 23, 2005, 07:21AM   

Please keep us posted when you get the manual Dick. I'm now wondering if you have a different version (?) could you send me a picture?

Also, remember you were talking about the dates? Here's what I have in mine (I brought it to work today

Serial # 097984
Date code: 8743

Can you guess something out of that?

Ismenio


Yes, based on my analysis of the date code on the Eldorado's, that must mean it was made in the 87th week of 1943! 

No, I don't have a clue what that means and I never bring any of my toys to work, so I will have to wait until later to check out mine.  I don't work many hours anymore, usually 24 or so a week, but I think I would still get frowns if I was playing with a chess computer while I am here.  However, this one does look like a calculator, so maybe I could use it to practice blindfold chess, if I didn't use the board.

Thanks for sending the manual - I will try and figure out what I have done once it gets here

Dick


Actually, since the model number of the Micro is 6096, which is just below the 6100 of the first Phantoms which were released in 1988, I would guess that the Micro was initially released in 1987.  That date code on yours would make sense if they reversed what was on the Eldorado's, so it could mean the 43 week or 1987.

The serial number on my Micro is 164336, which would make it later than yours.  However, mine doesn't have a date code.  Is your date code on the same sticker as the serial number?

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Quote from: Ismenio on February 23, 2005, 07:21AM   

Please keep us posted when you get the manual Dick. I'm now wondering if you have a different version (?) could you send me a picture?

Also, remember you were talking about the dates? Here's what I have in mine (I brought it to work today

Serial # 097984
Date code: 8743

Can you guess something out of that?

Ismenio


Yes, based on my analysis of the date code on the Eldorado's, that must mean it was made in the 87th week of 1943! 

No, I don't have a clue what that means and I never bring any of my toys to work, so I will have to wait until later to check out mine.  I don't work many hours anymore, usually 24 or so a week, but I think I would still get frowns if I was playing with a chess computer while I am here.  However, this one does look like a calculator, so maybe I could use it to practice blindfold chess, if I didn't use the board.

Thanks for sending the manual - I will try and figure out what I have done once it gets here

Dick
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Please keep us posted when you get the manual Dick. I'm now wondering if you have a different version (?) could you send me a picture?

Also, remember you were talking about the dates? Here's what I have in mine (I brought it to work today

Serial # 097984
Date code: 8743

Can you guess something out of that?

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Quote from: Ismenio on February 23, 2005, 05:15AM   

Dick, I was typing after I had read the manual. It is the "Fidelity Micro Chess Challenger" 513.1134A01

The manual is on its way. I was playing with mine and it seems to be working differently from what you described. For one thing, when I turn if off, instead of switching to “save”, it resets the level back to L1. I was able to chance levels mid game without problems.

When you press LV to change levels, you should see the level and the dashes right? For example 2 _ _ _
When that happens, did you try to make your move right away? I.e., without pressing enter but simply the move, like d4d5 + EN? What happens?

Ismenio



Very strange, Ismenio.

When I turn mine on and press LV, the display shows L_H7.  If I press the LV key again, the display blanks out and it is ready to play a game.  I have been able to change the levels to H1, H2, H3, etc. and play the computer, and the strength of the computer's play does increase with each level.  I change the levels by pressing LV and then pressing H1 and then press LV again and it is ready to play at that level.

I have tried to change the level to A1, A2, etc. and then the computer gets into the two person mode, where I can only force the computer to make a move if I press the move key. 

It isn't worth your trying to analyze this, and hopefully when I get the manual I can figure out what is going on.  I did press a lot of buttons the first day I had this Micro, and I might have gotten it into some strange mode.

Thanks,

Dick

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Dick, I was typing after I had read the manual. It is the "Fidelity Micro Chess Challenger" 513.1134A01

The manual is on its way. I was playing with mine and it seems to be working differently from what you described. For one thing, when I turn if off, instead of switching to “save”, it resets the level back to L1. I was able to chance levels mid game without problems.

When you press LV to change levels, you should see the level and the dashes right? For example 2 _ _ _
When that happens, did you try to make your move right away? I.e., without pressing enter but simply the move, like d4d5 + EN? What happens?

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For now, here's what the manual says: Just use the LV key to change the level. Each time you press it, it will change the level all the way up to level 8, once it reaches level 8 and you press LV again, it will go back to level 1.

Hope that helps!

Thanks,

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Ismenio,

Are you quoting from the Micro manual or the Mini manual?  I know that the Mini level control works this way, and it wouldn't be the first time that somebody got these two mixed up.

What I have is a Micro.

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Dick,

I was ready to scan the manual for you today when I found out I'm having problems with my scanner

If you email me with your home address I'll copy it and send it to you tomorrow.

For now, here's what the manual says: Just use the LV key to change the level. Each time you press it, it will change the level all the way up to level 8, once it reaches level 8 and you press LV again, it will go back to level 1.

Hope that helps!

Thanks,

Ismenio


Ismenio,

That's what I tried the first time, since that is how my other Fidelities work, but it doesn't do it.  Each time I press the LV key it turns the display on and off, without changing the level from what it is currently set at.  If I change the level to A1, then the Micro gets into a two person mode, I think, as it won't respond with any moves but will make moves, for both sides, if I press the MO (move) key over and over.

Also, when I turn the machine off and back on, the level stays the same, and it is H7 right now, whatever that is.

Very confusing to me.

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Dick,

I was ready to scan the manual for you today when I found out I'm having problems with my scanner

If you email me with your home address I'll copy it and send it to you tomorrow.

For now, here's what the manual says: Just use the LV key to change the level. Each time you press it, it will change the level all the way up to level 8, once it reaches level 8 and you press LV again, it will go back to level 1.

Hope that helps!

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Can somebody clue me into what the levels are on the Fidelity Micro Chess Challenger, and what buttons to push to get them?

The one that I recently purchased is on Level H7 right now, and will play a game at that setting.  I have tried a couple of times to push buttons, without knowing what they did, after pushing the level button and the Mico would get into some mode that did not allow it to make moves.  I then had to try trial and error to get it back into some mode that would play me a game, that being the current H7.

It is probably very simple, but I been unable to figure it out.

Thanks,

Dick Schneiders
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