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« on: March 7, 2007, 02:23PM »
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An interesting topic which I missed first time around.

Having owned many micros during the 80's and 90's I have two favourites:-

1. White Knight for the BBC B (if nothing more than for the many happy memories of hours spent with my first electronic opponent)

2. Chessmaster 2000 for the Commodore Amiga. A Kittinger program which I loved the playing style it had and found it to have more than enough features.

Other programs such as Colossus and Chessplayer 2150 were also good buys at the the time I think.

Currently I dont think you can beat FRITZ (for value and features, aswell as strength!). I only wish I had the older machines now to run some of the old software favourites on!!

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Quote from: mychess on June 29, 2005, 02:35PM   

What is the first program (and optionaly computer) against you played chess ?
And what is the most important chess software (for you) ?


I had an Apple II and had the opportunity to see and test briefly Sargon II. But I prefered to continue to play with my Chess Traveller and did not buy or used a Chess Software. 

But to be honest, I was one day very impressed by Sargon III on Machintosh (the small one). The usability was great with this small device called "mouse" and the display quality was excellent.  But I never had a macintosh except for work. So I missed my only opportunity to become a chess player on a computer.


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Quote from: Endspielgott on June 30, 2005, 12:39PM   

Since you are talking about Microcomputers: I am still a happy owner of a Commodore 64 (full functioning).

About a year ago i rescued a fully working SX64 that was supposed to be thrown away!

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Does anybody know whether there existed a chess program for this device?

There was even a program from Tasc for the C64! It is the Final Chesscard C64! It was a cartridge with additional software. You can see it here:

www.cbmhardware.de/misc/c64parts.php?Lang=D


I only have the PC-version...

And i remember Mychess (isn't this the program in Novag Micro Chess?), Caissa, Sargon 3, Cyrus Chess and so on...


Hi.
I still have the program Cyrus (one of the best Chess programs ever).
How can I run it on Windows XP?

You can find many of them on the net (of course for free!).

Best seems to be www.gb64.com. There i found 52 entries under "Genre = "Board Game - Chess""!

www.gb64.com/search.php?a=5&f=5&id=64&d=18&p=2


Btw: "Kempelen" seems to be the participant of the World Championship in Dallas 86 (was there running on a Atari ST). I didn't know that there was a C64-version!


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Quote from: Robert Weck on July  1, 2005, 04:18AM   

There was even a program from Tasc for the C64! It is the Final Chesscard C64! It was a cartridge with additional software. You can see it here:

www.cbmhardware.de/misc/c64parts.php?Lang=D


I only have the PC-version...

And i remember Mychess (isn't this the program in Novag Micro Chess?), Caissa, Sargon 3, Cyrus Chess and so on...

You can find many of them on the net (of course for free!).

Best seems to be www.gb64.com. There i found 52 entries under "Genre = "Board Game - Chess""!

www.gb64.com/search.php?a=5&f=5&id=64&d=18&p=2


Btw: "Kempelen" seems to be the participant of the World Championship in Dallas 86 (was there running on a Atari ST). I didn't know that there was a C64-version!


Robert



Robert/Mike/Chris,

great links, thank you all.

A new project has been born in my head: Getting everything which has to do with chess for my C64...

The Chesscard will probably be the hardest part

Christian

P.S. Mike: I spend my whole youth on programming 6502 Assembler...you can really get down to things by doing this...Java is only for the soft youth
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Quote from: Endspielgott on June 30, 2005, 12:39PM   

Since you are talking about Microcomputers: I am still a happy owner of a Commodore 64 (full functioning).

About a year ago i rescued a fully working SX64 that was supposed to be thrown away!

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Does anybody know whether there existed a chess program for this device?

There was even a program from Tasc for the C64! It is the Final Chesscard C64! It was a cartridge with additional software. You can see it here:

www.cbmhardware.de/misc/c64parts.php?Lang=D


I only have the PC-version...

And i remember Mychess (isn't this the program in Novag Micro Chess?), Caissa, Sargon 3, Cyrus Chess and so on...

You can find many of them on the net (of course for free!).

Best seems to be www.gb64.com. There i found 52 entries under "Genre = "Board Game - Chess""!

www.gb64.com/search.php?a=5&f=5&id=64&d=18&p=2


Btw: "Kempelen" seems to be the participant of the World Championship in Dallas 86 (was there running on a Atari ST). I didn't know that there was a C64-version!


Robert
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2005, 04:00PM »
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I'm surprised so many people still remember a name like TRS80 - which is probably as old-fashioned in the computer world as Hadley Chase as a writer, Victor Borge in entertainment or Liberace as another entertainer at the keyboard.

Do I remember TRS80? I used to have a so-called model 1 with a disc-drive big enough to hold a construction worker's lunch.
   
I'm surprised nobody mentions the chess program I had with my TRS80. Its name was Sfinks, named after its writer William Fink. If you think the the graphics in Novag's Star pocket computers are inferior, you should have seen Sfinx. You would never complain about Novag's graphics any more.

But it played much better than my first dedicated chess computer, the Novag Chess Champion 1, which allowed the following "shortest chess game ever played":

  1. 1. Qd1xh8 Ktg8-f6 (the knight was attacked)
  2. Ktb1xg7 Mate!
   
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I remember that i typed a 1KB chess program from a magazine in my ZX81! But i think, it was not more than just a move generator! 

I spent hours and hours typing in programs from magazines into my ZX81!! (always hoping that it wouldn't hang until the typing was finished! But nevertheless, this happened often enough!!)

When you tell this to the computerkids of today, they would call you crazy!! 

Thank you for this link;CB3 and Genius 2+3 are still running under WXp prof.!

Genius 1 seems to have a problem with the copy protection! Do you know how this can be solved?


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Robert




Hi Robert 

Thanks for this -

LOL - you had more patience than me!  - I'd almost forgotten how infuriating these crashes used to be.  >:(

I think it used to be the 16k RAM pack which caused these problems most of the time. The slightest movement and hey presto you were staring at a blank screen having just wasted x hours of your life tapping away on the membrane keyboard! I ended up sticking my pack on the back of my Sinclair with bluetack!

Re Genius 1 - although the link has been on my favourites for ages, I haven't downloaded all the programs (IIRC I think all those I tested worked fine on my XP system). After reading your post I tried CG1. This boots up ok for me (so not related to copy protection - shouldn't be an issue as Richard Lang has made them all freely available anyway) - the problem I found is screen distortion (board is ok, but options are unreadable) - a fiddle with compatability switches didn't unfortunately help correct this 

Best wishes

Chris

PS Sorry, I haven't yet got the hang of the quote option 
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Quote from: Endspielgott on June 30, 2005, 12:39PM   

Since you are talking about Microcomputers: I am still a happy owner of a Commodore 64 (full functioning). Does anybody know whether there existed a chess program for this device?
At the beginning of the eighties I didn“t play chess...this came 1986? with a christmas present: Constellation!

Christian
Christian also try this :-

http://www.lemon64.com/index.php?mainurl=http%3A//www.lemon64.com/games/list.php%3Ftype%3Dgenre%26name%3DChess

There was a Chessmaster 2100 as well, which might be the best?

As for typing in programs from magazines, Robert, I do not think youngsters understand the efforts we went to, to get scarce programs for our prized computers. We would spend hours typing in a program, check it for every possible error, run it, it would crash because of one space missed or one character wrong and we would have to start all over again. Character building.

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Quote from: Endspielgott on June 30, 2005, 12:39PM   

Since you are talking about Microcomputers: I am still a happy owner of a Commodore 64 (full functioning). Does anybody know whether there existed a chess program for this device?
At the beginning of the eighties I didn“t play chess...this came 1986? with a christmas present: Constellation!

Christian



Hi Christian 

I never had a C64 or used one, but I know Colossus Chess was produced for C64. This was also written by Martin Bryant of White Knight fame.

I guess these sometimes turn up on e-bay, but in the meantime the best I can do is the following link:

http://www.c64unlimited.net/games/c/Colossus%20chess%204/Colossus%20chess%204.htm

Colossus Chess is available on C64 emulator. I've not tried the C64 emulator, but the Atari 2600 emulator works like a dream! 

Best wishes

Chris
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Since you are talking about Microcomputers: I am still a happy owner of a Commodore 64 (full functioning). Does anybody know whether there existed a chess program for this device?
At the beginning of the eighties I didn“t play chess...this came 1986? with a christmas present: Constellation!

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Quote from: Chris on June 30, 2005, 04:34AM   

Likewise, ZX81 was my first computer game. I remember I had 2 games ZX Chess II by Arctic Computing (IIRC) and a game by MicroGen (Powerchess or just Mircogen Chess?). I think the former was a little stronger. There was also amazingly a Chess program written for the unexpanded ZX81 in only 1k ( ) although I can't remember what this was called.

I remember that i typed a 1KB chess program from a magazine in my ZX81! But i think, it was not more than just a move generator! 

I spent hours and hours typing in programs from magazines into my ZX81!! (always hoping that it wouldn't hang until the typing was finished! But nevertheless, this happened often enough!!)

When you tell this to the computerkids of today, they would call you crazy!! 

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Anyway, sorry for the long ramble, a lot of the old favourites (including early Fritz, Chess Genius, Battle Chess and of course Richard Lang's excellent Psion program etc  are now freely available to download - if you haven't already seen it - check out:

http://www.gambitchess.com/progr.htm

Thank you for this link;CB3 and Genius 2+3 are still running under WXp prof.!

Genius 1 seems to have a problem with the copy protection! Do you know how this can be solved?


best regards,
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Hi All, 

This thread brings back happy memories!

.... the letters used for pieces due to limited graphics

....the screen going all fuzzy for what seemed like hours on end while the computer thought about it's move!

Ahh!


Likewise, ZX81 was my first computer game. I remember I had 2 games ZX Chess II by Arctic Computing (IIRC) and a game by MicroGen (Powerchess or just Mircogen Chess?). I think the former was a little stronger. There was also amazingly a Chess program written for the unexpanded ZX81 in only 1k ( ) although I can't remember what this was called.

I also dabbled with Video Chess for the Atari 2600 which wasn't so strong (this did take ages to move but left you looking at a multi-coloured screen while you waited.

White Knight Mk11 for the BBC was probably my favourite. It was strong (IIRC it won some micorcomputer championship in 1983) and had good graphics with good range of options (it is sitting in a box behind me as a write, so this may inspire me to fire it up again!)

After this though I got my Par Excellence which I later traded in for Mach 3 which curtailed my interest in chess software 

However, I did get ChessPlayer 2150 bundled in with an Amiga A500 that I bought and this was a good match for my limited talent (though speech was a bit cheesy). The author went onto develop CS Tal.

My first experience of 'serious' PC software was Fritz 2 which I bought half price (still best part of £50 IIRC!) as a special offer during Nigel Short's World Championship match against Kasparov.

Anyway, sorry for the long ramble, a lot of the old favourites (including early Fritz, Chess Genius, Battle Chess and of course Richard Lang's excellent Psion program etc  are now freely available to download - if you haven't already seen it - check out:

http://www.gambitchess.com/progr.htm

Best wishes


Chris
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I also played on a Sinclair ZX81 but the TRS 80 came first for me.

For me, the ZX81 was my first computer; i think the chess program played worse than a MK 1! 

I don't know anymore, if it was called "ZX-Chess" or just "Chess"...

The good ol' times... 


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Sargon II on the Apple II
Then Sargon III and Chess 7.0 still on the Apple II.
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10 years later, Kasparov's Gambit on a 486 DX 33 (I haven't had any other computer between the Apple II and this PC running under Windows 3.1)
5 years later, Fritz 5.32 and Junior 6.0

My favourite program is now Fritz 8.0 ; I almost never play with it (I prefer my dedicated computers) but I'm using it to analyze my few real games and sometime I connect to playchess.com to follow great events (for example, Tripoli last year).

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I did enjoy the Battle Chess, but that was on a IBM PC XT! So, I'll be mocked along with Dick
But before that, as a strange coincidence, the first chess program I played was the Sargon II on a TRS 80!!! Just like Olivier I was amazed by the graphics!

I also played on a Sinclair ZX81 but the TRS 80 came first for me.

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Quote from: mychess on June 29, 2005, 02:35PM   

After the hardware (chess computers), I would like to talk about chess softwares on MICROcomputer.

What is the first program (and optionaly computer) against you played chess ?
And what is the most important chess software (for you) ?

Of course, my responses :
- first program : Sargon II  on TRS-80.

- Mchess 1.5 from M. Hirsh, with more than 40 games against  Mephisto MMV by phone.
  Mchess won with a 486 dx33 CPU, and when I changed for a 486-dx2 66, only few games were made...

Cordialy,

Olivier (mychess, another good program on TRS80).


I probably should not answer this question, for I fear I will be mocked and rebuked. 

My first chess computer software was Battle Chess on an Atari 1040 ST.  I don't remember the year, but it was a long time ago.  I loved the sound effects and intricate movements of the pieces, with the little battles they played as a capture was made, and the dying or exploding captured piece.  I don't remember how well it played, but I do know I was able to lose to it most of the time.

The Atari 1040 ST was a wonderful computer for the time.  Atari was known for kids game modules for the TV and not business computers, but that all changed with the 520 and 1040 ST models.  These were very serious computers, that copied the style of the Apple and early MacIntosh machines.  And they were the best machines for anybody interested in digitized MIDI music applications, since they were the only ones that had built in interfaces for MIDI cables.  This was the reason I bought the 1040, to use with my MIDI electronic keyboards and synthesizers.  Long after they had lost their usefullness as a business computer, they were still prized and used by musicians.

I miss the graphics of Battle Chess.  All we have now are the mundane Fritz and Chessmaster stuff. 

Let the mocking and rebuking begin! 

Dick Schneiders
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My first proper chess program, that played chess as we know it, was White Knight II running on a BBC Micro in about 1983? I cannot remember how I did against it. But it kept me amused.

Incidentally I think that the original White Knight was the first chess progam to show the best line found so far. I remember going to an early computer chess championships in London (1981/82?) and being fascinated by the various displays of lines and evaluations produced by the different programs. Information which was not available in commercial products at the time. I chatted to the programmer, Martin Bryant and I think Richard Lang, who was the opposition.

Ah........ those were the days !!

My favourite has to be Fritz in all its various versions. I still have most of them, and Chessbase. It is a clear leader in my collection over Chessmaster (also all of the versions). For many years I was a sucker for any new chess software which appeared on  the shop shelves.

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After the hardware (chess computers), I would like to talk about chess softwares on MICROcomputer.

What is the first program (and optionaly computer) against you played chess ?
And what is the most important chess software (for you) ?

Of course, my responses :
- first program : Sargon II  on TRS-80.

- Mchess 1.5 from M. Hirsh, with more than 40 games against  Mephisto MMV by phone.
  Mchess won with a 486 dx33 CPU, and when I changed for a 486-dx2 66, only few games were made...

Cordialy,

Olivier (mychess, another good program on TRS80).
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