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Re:Two different SC2s
« on: July 12, 2005, 07:13PM »
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Thank you again for sharing those findings with us Tom. I find them quite interesting!
At one point I was thinking of compiling a list of computers and the reason behind their names but after some fruitless research I gave up

For the same company to have two very different computers with the same name sounds to me like someone from marketing not quite doing their job!

There are names that I really like, either for the sound or what I get from the meaning like "Savant", "Phantom", "Mirage", "Constellation", etc.
Some others I love the computers but the name I don't quite find that inspiring.

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Re:Two different SC2s
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 05:37PM »
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In the series about differences in chess computers of the same name, the following observation may be relevant:

It appears there are two computers that are called "Mephisto Junior" but look completely different:





The name "Junior" suggests they're not very strong players. But it's not clear why Hegener & Glaser used the same name for two completely different computers.

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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2005, 01:19AM »
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Quote from: Overtom on July  9, 2005, 03:27PM   


Why, for instance, is there a Mini CC with pressure-sensitive panel and one with keys to operate it?

  http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngMSCC1.html
  http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngMSCC2.html

I've heard that they made also some software-modifications on the second model...


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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2005, 12:31PM »
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I also don't think the problem is with the hobby but with some of the collector's like me:



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Re:Two different SC2s
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2005, 08:50AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on July 10, 2005, 01:25AM   



Tom

This isn't another one of your Microsoft Paint jobs is it?

My SC2 is one of the black ones. I thought that they all were. You will now have me examining every SC2 that comes up on Ebay for the colour.

It is a strange hobby.

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Mike


Mike,

I disagree.  I don't think that it is the "hobby" that is strange! 

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Re:Two different SC2s
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2005, 08:26AM »
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Quite perceptive, Mike!

Both photos have indeed been subjected to the blessings of Microsoft Paint, albeit not for the chessmen or the housing.

I put the brown computer on a piece of cardboard that was too small to serve as a complete background, so I did a little filling up with the digital spraycan.

The black computer had its Q key missing, so I made a rather clumsy drawing, which becomes painfully clear with enlargement:



But the worst problem with the brown specimen is not the missing Q-key, but the fact that it does not play the way it should. Unfortunately, this won't be remedied by Microsoft Paint

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Re:Two different SC2s
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2005, 08:19AM »
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Hi,

now I tell you something:
There exist THREE kinds of SC2s!

The oldest and rarest one is the one with the brown body. Then there exists the one on the photo: black with black inlay around the keys. The third one is black with a silvery inlay around the keys. I dont know which of the last ones is younger.

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Re:Two different SC2s
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2005, 01:25AM »
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Quote from: Overtom on July  9, 2005, 09:08AM   

We all know the SC2 made in the GDR, don't we?

Today I discovered the SC2 actually exists in two colors: one in a brown housing with the black pieces slightly darker than the white ones. The other one has a black housing and its black pieces are really black.

I've never read about these different models on the Internet, but here is what they look like:





Needless to say I wanted to find out if their playing strength would be comparable - although I expected them to have the same program. Unfortunately, the black computer appeared to be broken and refused to accept completely legal moves from time to time.

Still I think I should report this here.

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tom


Tom

This isn't another one of your Microsoft Paint jobs is it?

My SC2 is one of the black ones. I thought that they all were. You will now have me examining every SC2 that comes up on Ebay for the colour.

It is a strange hobby.

All the best
Mike
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Re:Two different SC2s
« Reply #8 on: July 9, 2005, 03:27PM »
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Yes Dick, you're quite right that it's sometimes hard to explain why there are different models of the same computer.

Why, for instance, is there a Mini CC with pressure-sensitive panel and one with keys to operate it?

  http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngMSCC1.html
  http://www.xs4all.nl/~tluif/chescom/EngMSCC2.html

In the case of the SC2 (which is the predecessor of the Chess Master), I think I know the solution: if you play with the brown model, the light brown and darker brown chessmen are not easy to distinguish, especially when the lighting is less favourable than in this picture:

 

The black chessmen in the other computer are easier to distinguish and the colour of the housing is probably just chosen to match the pieces.

 

But the inevitable drawback: although the chessmen are easier to distinguish, I must say they look less distinguished

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tom

P.S. By the way, I suppose you wrote the part about your prospective sale of the chess card to Ismenio in "stealth mode"
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Quote from: Overtom on July  9, 2005, 09:08AM   

We all know the SC2 made in the GDR, don't we?

Today I discovered the SC2 actually exists in two colors: one in a brown housing with the black pieces slightly darker than the white ones. The other one has a black housing and its black pieces are really black.

I've never read about these different models on the Internet, but here is what they look like:





Needless to say I wanted to find out if their playing strength would be comparable - although I expected them to have the same program. Unfortunately, the black computer appeared to be broken and refused to accept completely legal moves from time to time.

Still I think I should report this here.

Best regards,

tom




Tom,

This is interesting.  I am not familar with this computer, but the whole idea of there being slightly different color schemes for what seems to be the same computer on any model is strange to me.  Why this would happen is beyond my comprehension.

I know that there are several of these situations, like the Boris Diplomat in blue or brown, the Novag Disney Magic Castle in different colors, etc.  This makes we collectors go even crazier than we are, trying to find all of the different color varieties of what is otherwise the same computer.

I know of a certain person on this forum that bought a 2nd Fidelity Phantom simply because it had different colors on the lettering and squares. 

We can sometimes carry this thought that there might be different color schemes to extremes, though.  I yesterday bought 3 Fidelity Chess Cards that are new and had never been sold.  They are in the original clear plastic wrapping that they came in.  On two of them the flat disc white pieces are very white.  However, on the third one, the white pieces are more of a pale beige.  My first thoughts were that the third set might be a rare variety.  However, upon closer inspection, I think that they are probably simply faded a bit from being left in a sunny display window too long. 

However, please don't tell Ismenio this.  I can probably get a lot more from him in trade if I can convince him that this set is different from the one he already has! 

Dick Schneiders

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Two different SC2s
« Reply #10 on: July 9, 2005, 09:08AM »
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We all know the SC2 made in the GDR, don't we?

Today I discovered the SC2 actually exists in two colors: one in a brown housing with the black pieces slightly darker than the white ones. The other one has a black housing and its black pieces are really black.

I've never read about these different models on the Internet, but here is what they look like:





Needless to say I wanted to find out if their playing strength would be comparable - although I expected them to have the same program. Unfortunately, the black computer appeared to be broken and refused to accept completely legal moves from time to time.

Still I think I should report this here.

Best regards,

tom

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