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« on: March 10, 2005, 04:59AM »
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Hi again Dick,

Quote from: Dick Schneiders on March 10, 2005, 04:48AM   

I have been using various Internet translation sites to interpret these German web pages.  It looks as if I will need to hire a live-in interpreter, if this keeps up.

You know, I have learned German at school during ten years (but it is a long time ago now) and had never had the occasion to practice... Since I have started my chess computers collection (less than 2 years), I have been reading and writing more german (I usually write in German to German Ebay sellers) than in the previous 38 years !!


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I had a funny situation recently.  I logged onto a European chess site, and it was in German, or so I thought.  I went to a few of the translator sites and none of them were able to translate the web site.  The result was always gibberish.  Finally, I took a closer look at the original web site.  Then I realized that it wasn't German.  I put a few words of it into a language search and it came back as being Danish! 

Excellent ! 

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Re:Missing manual? Where to get them!
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2005, 04:48AM »
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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on March 10, 2005, 03:02AM   

http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de is back online. There are more manuals than on my site (most are in German).
I don't know if it is a real comeback (Wilfried had sold most of his computers) or an Internet's strangeness.

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Thanks for the heads up, Alain.

I have been using various Internet translation sites to interpret these German web pages.  It looks as if I will need to hire a live-in interpreter, if this keeps up.

I had a funny situation recently.  I logged onto a European chess site, and it was in German, or so I thought.  I went to a few of the translator sites and none of them were able to translate the web site.  The result was always gibberish.  Finally, I took a closer look at the original web site.  Then I realized that it wasn't German.  I put a few words of it into a language search and it came back as being Danish! 

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Re:Missing manual? Where to get them!
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2005, 03:56AM »
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Good news Alain.

There are some gems on Willi's site which I regretted not printing off before.

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http://www.alte-schachcomputer.de is back online. There are more manuals than on my site (most are in German).
I don't know if it is a real comeback (Wilfried had sold most of his computers) or an Internet's strangeness.

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« Reply #4 on: March 9, 2005, 12:31AM »
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Mike,

I am not certain what is the cause, but I have seen a distinct increase in "attitude" from most Yanks towards the rest of the world over the past decade or so.  It bothers me and I fear for what the long term results might be.

I need to get off of my political soapbox immediately, or I might put my foot into my big mouth. 

So, to change the subject, is the Cyber Thingy something you really desire?  Was it on an eBay auction?  If so, I could buy it and send it to you, if you think the overseas shipping routine is freaking out the seller.  Or, if not eBay, let me know where it is and I will see about acquiring it.

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Dick

Many thanks for your very kind offer. I have already emailed the seller, saying that if sending it to the UK is a problem then he could send it to a friend in the USA. But still no response. It is only $17.50 plus shipping anyway! The Cyberchess is just a curiosity with all things chess computing really. Not something that is especially important to me.

I suppose what bugs me is that when I have made a deal I like to see it through.

On the political point Dick, looking from this side of the pond, I am very worried indeed. But this is not the place to elaborate.

Mike
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Do you know I have far more trouble dealing with US Ebay sellers than anyone else and I thought there must be a reason for the "attitude". Now I know.

Whilst on the subject I think that the Cyber Thingy is running into trouble. He relisted it even before the auction ended and refuses to answer emails. The deal looks doomed.

Baffled regards
Mike

Mike,

I am not certain what is the cause, but I have seen a distinct increase in "attitude" from most Yanks towards the rest of the world over the past decade or so.  It bothers me and I fear for what the long term results might be.

I need to get off of my political soapbox immediately, or I might put my foot into my big mouth. 

So, to change the subject, is the Cyber Thingy something you really desire?  Was it on an eBay auction?  If so, I could buy it and send it to you, if you think the overseas shipping routine is freaking out the seller.  Or, if not eBay, let me know where it is and I will see about acquiring it.

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I suspect what you went through was an isolated situation, or it could be that what they told you was the simple truth, or it might be that they have not yet forgotten about 1776. 

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I knew there must be a reason. 1776, of course !

Do you know I have far more trouble dealing with US Ebay sellers than anyone else and I thought there must be a reason for the "attitude". Now I know.

Whilst on the subject I think that the Cyber Thingy is running into trouble. He relisted it even before the auction ended and refuses to answer emails. The deal looks doomed.

Similar story to the reluctant lady with the MB Grandmaster Ismenio.

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« Reply #7 on: March 7, 2005, 02:16PM »
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Although I had ordered manuals from Classic Chess and Games when this was posted, they had not arrived so it was not possible to comment fully. Now they have arrived so here goes.

I ordered and paid for four manuals back in mid December. Yes, two and a half months ago. Now over in the UK we are used to surface mail taking 6 weeks to arrive from the USA. But manuals you would expect to go airmail. Anyway after seven weeks I phoned - "where are my manuals". I was given a story about them having 3 but that the fourth master copy had been mislaid for some time. They would email me telling me what they were going to do about it. No email. I phoned again, the guy could not say what they were going to do without talking to his supervisor. No word. I phoned again, they had found the fourth one and would send them tomorrow. One week later I have the manuals.

Two are originals in good condition. One is a very good copy, and the other a fair to good copy. The price was reasonable. An average of $18 each plus postage. I am happy I ordered them.

If you are thinking of ordering my advice would be to go ahead but keep pushing them if you do not get the manuals in a reasonable period, i.e. 7-10 days for the UK.

Roll on the day when all manuals are available from websites like Alains. Though there may still be that special machine for which you just must have the original.

All the best
Mike


I was just notified by Classic Chess and Games that the three manuals I ordered a few days ago have been shipped.  I had ordered from them in the past and had no problems.

I suspect what you went through was an isolated situation, or it could be that what they told you was the simple truth, or it might be that they have not yet forgotten about 1776. 

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Re:Missing manual? Where to get them!
« Reply #8 on: March 3, 2005, 05:20AM »
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Mike,

Thank you so much for sharing that review with us!
We now know about how to work with them.

I think this is another great community service! We should definitely share experience with vendors, stores, etc. That way other members can know what to expect.

And Kjell, I think Mike gave the best suggestion. Just ask Novag. I've heard more than one story where they were really nice and sent the copy to the requestor! It may take some time for the to reply though.

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« Reply #9 on: March 3, 2005, 01:10AM »
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Quote from: Ismenio on February 10, 2005, 06:22PM   

If you have a computer without the manual here are some options:

First, I highly recommend you check Alain Zanchetta's website: http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/
He has manuals for different models in different languages available for download in PDF format!

Also, collectors are usually eager to help others so just ask! Post a request here or other sites where they meet.

Additionally, there's a site where they sell manuals for vintage computers: http://www.classicchessandgames.com/OwnersManuals.
I haven't used their services but they seem to have a good selection.

If it's a newer model, check the manufacturer's website.

Ismenio


Although I had ordered manuals from Classic Chess and Games when this was posted, they had not arrived so it was not possible to comment fully. Now they have arrived so here goes.

I ordered and paid for four manuals back in mid December. Yes, two and a half months ago. Now over in the UK we are used to surface mail taking 6 weeks to arrive from the USA. But manuals you would expect to go airmail. Anyway after seven weeks I phoned - "where are my manuals". I was given a story about them having 3 but that the fourth master copy had been mislaid for some time. They would email me telling me what they were going to do about it. No email. I phoned again, the guy could not say what they were going to do without talking to his supervisor. No word. I phoned again, they had found the fourth one and would send them tomorrow. One week later I have the manuals.

Two are originals in good condition. One is a very good copy, and the other a fair to good copy. The price was reasonable. An average of $18 each plus postage. I am happy I ordered them.

If you are thinking of ordering my advice would be to go ahead but keep pushing them if you do not get the manuals in a reasonable period, i.e. 7-10 days for the UK.

Roll on the day when all manuals are available from websites like Alains. Though there may still be that special machine for which you just must have the original.

All the best
Mike
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Re:Missing manual? Where to get them!
« Reply #10 on: March 2, 2005, 11:55AM »
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Hi Kjell

A quick look around the websites did not show up a Novag Quattro manual. Of course there are Constellation and Forte manuals available for download which may help at least understand most of the functions of your machine.

If all else fails Novag may send you a copy if you ask nicely at sales@novag.com. That has worked for me more than once. It will take a while as the manual will be posted from Hong Kong.

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« Reply #11 on: March 2, 2005, 09:53AM »
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ismenio wrote .... Also, collectors are usually eager to help others so just ask! Post a request here or other sites where they meet.

is there anyone how has a manual for a NOVAG CONSTELLATION QUATTRO in english or knows where one can be downloaded?
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« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2005, 06:22PM »
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If you have a computer without the manual here are some options:

First, I highly recommend you check Alain Zanchetta's website: http://www.zanchetta.net/echecs/
He has manuals for different models in different languages available for download in PDF format!

Also, collectors are usually eager to help others so just ask! Post a request here or other sites where they meet.

Additionally, there's a site where they sell manuals for vintage computers: http://www.classicchessandgames.com/OwnersManuals.
I haven't used their services but they seem to have a good selection.

If it's a newer model, check the manufacturer's website.

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