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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« on: March 4, 2006, 02:39PM »
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The star of Ismenio's Scam Page -

http://www.ismenio.com/scam_auction.html

is back again :-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8775618947&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Whilst there can't be a person in the chess computer community that is unaware of this scam I fear that one day an unwitting victim will turn up. Hopefully if someone does bid we can head them off at the pass.

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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #1 on: September 8, 2005, 07:33PM »
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I still wonder about why "just" the Tasc 
I mean, why not use other expensive computers? (I hope I'm not giving ideas  to these bad guys :- )



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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #2 on: September 8, 2005, 04:01AM »
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Well the bogus Tasc auction passed without event.

Ebay did not pull the auction as they have with previous scam attempts. 

But nobody bid. 

I suppose all that we can do is keep warning people and hope that these lowlifes give up. It is surprising that they persist with a product which has such a comparatively limited range of interest and potential purchasers.

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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #3 on: September 7, 2005, 05:42PM »
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Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on September  7, 2005, 12:02AM   

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Well, I was not very comfortable with this transaction first... and I did what you say and had the confirmation that the name was the one of a real and known collector.

So I finally made the transfer (I also must say that I see German people as "above average" in terms of honesty).

Now, I have checked with the seller's bank that the account number corresponds to the name that was given to me and everything is ok here.

May be I am too much vorried and my seller is only in vacations or business trip ? Future will tell.

Best,

Alain


Hi Alain,

I just saw your post on Kurt's forum.  I wish you success with the transacion Looks like you got everything! Great news.


Now, on the other issue, I missed what you're guys are talking about ! I take that someone placed an "ad" on Kurt's forum that required the moderator to take action?

If I understood it, someone was trying to sell something and people complained about that?!

I have to agree that there are those who try make a big profit on chess computers but if someone were to post an ad here saying "CC7, complete with box, $300", I wouldn't feel comfortable removing that post just because the price was absurd! I would hope no one would buy it but he has the right to place the ad and ask whatever he wants for it.

Just my opinion. I fully understand people have different opinions. But I wonder if there was something else there. I don't want to open any can of worms or bring up something that is now gone. It's just that I really didn't know about this event!

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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #4 on: September 7, 2005, 05:10PM »
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in the middle ages a lot of problems have easily been solved by decapitation...even later on the tiny island where you live on decapitation was a means of, well, politics? A name like M Stuart crosses my mind

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Christian

It is a fair point you make. Politics and getting rid of inconvenient wives, etc. But never to stop chess computer trading though.

We still use the expression "Heads will Roll" if someone has done something wrong and may be dismissed.

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« Reply #5 on: September 7, 2005, 11:26AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on September  7, 2005, 10:28AM   


Yes I share your point of view 100% Christian. Even if I didn't agree decapitation is taking things a bit too far. 

I see no grown up's around here. 

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Mike,

in the middle ages a lot of problems have easily been solved by decapitation...even later on the tiny island where you live on decapitation was a means of, well, politics? A name like M Stuart crosses my mind

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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #6 on: September 7, 2005, 10:48AM »
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Hi Mike,


Quote from: Mike Watters on September  7, 2005, 01:28AM   

I hope all goes well and the modulsets arrive soon.


my Roma 68020 arrived today  well, I haven't found the time yet to open the parcel.

It was really strange to get no answers to emails during almost two weeks...

Thanks,

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« Reply #7 on: September 7, 2005, 10:28AM »
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I think it was all about one guy very much disliking the 'businessmen' within the collectors cummunity.
This means the guys who try to get stuff for a good price and sell it afterwards to get a bargain.

For me this is ok...it is a free market, and you should be able to buy and sell your stuff without others complaining about the prices...at least nobody is really forced to buy something.

Well this is only my point of view.

There are others who think that there ae people who take advantage of unexperianced or bad informed people...but we are all grown up's (legally at least )



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Yes I share your point of view 100% Christian. Even if I didn't agree decapitation is taking things a bit too far. 

I see no grown up's around here. 

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« Reply #8 on: September 7, 2005, 08:15AM »
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Quote from: Mike Watters on September  7, 2005, 01:28AM   

Alain

I hope all goes well and the modulsets arrive soon.

On the point that Ismenio made I am not sure that Kurt can vet the posts on his forum other than to get rid of the totally unacceptable, as happened recently with the video nasty thread from a "gentleman" called Theo Heinze alias "Torben".
What was that all about? Or shouldn't I ask?

I guess that sort of thing is a price you pay when a forum becomes big and more impersonal.

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Mike,

I think it was all about one guy very much disliking the 'businessmen' within the collectors cummunity.
This means the guys who try to get stuff for a good price and sell it afterwards to get a bargain.

For me this is ok...it is a free market, and you should be able to buy and sell your stuff without others complaining about the prices...at least nobody is really forced to buy something.

Well this is only my point of view.

There are others who think that there ae people who take advantage of unexperianced or bad informed people...but we are all grown up's (legally at least )



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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #9 on: September 7, 2005, 01:28AM »
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Alain

I hope all goes well and the modulsets arrive soon.

On the point that Ismenio made I am not sure that Kurt can vet the posts on his forum other than to get rid of the totally unacceptable, as happened recently with the video nasty thread from a "gentleman" called Theo Heinze alias "Torben".
What was that all about? Or shouldn't I ask?

I guess that sort of thing is a price you pay when a forum becomes big and more impersonal.

Mike

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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #10 on: September 7, 2005, 12:02AM »
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Hi Ismenio,


Quote from: Ismenio on September  6, 2005, 03:48PM   

I never bought anything offered on Kurt's forum yet but if I were to do that I would check the seller first with someone I know like Mike, you, Robert, etc. It's just that I don't usually know everybody there and I'm assuming they only have top, honorable collectors there but I don't know if an alarm would go off if someone tried to post a fake offer there.


Well, I was not very comfortable with this transaction first... and I did what you say and had the confirmation that the name was the one of a real and known collector.

So I finally made the transfer (I also must say that I see German people as "above average" in terms of honesty).

Now, I have checked with the seller's bank that the account number corresponds to the name that was given to me and everything is ok here.

May be I am too much vorried and my seller is only in vacations or business trip ? Future will tell.

Best,

Alain
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« Reply #11 on: September 6, 2005, 03:48PM »
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Hi Alain,


Quote from: Alain Zanchetta on September  6, 2005, 10:45AM   

Hi Ismenio,

well, as you said in one of your first posts, the translation seemed strange.
Anyway, I don't know how to translate it  and I must admit that I don't exactly know how it works and have probably seen this word for the first time in one of these threads 

I'm not defending him because he's French 
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That didn't cross my mind Alain I know you enough not to even think about that!

The fact that it got two bids from people with a good number of feedbacks made me think it was legit. Also, the fact that the reserve price wasn't met.
Your comments add to the possibility of a legit auction I think.

I did email him back with a link to the eBay page with details on the escrow service and gave him a quick explanation of what that is. I also asked for pictures, even if taken with a web cam but he didn't send them. However, it is very possible that he was just not too comfortable with me asking all of that and just didn't bother. I understand that.


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and may be I should have tried to learn what an escrow service is before trying to make a transaction on Kurt's forum  :-

Best,

Alain


As for the escrow service. Basically they act as an intermediary between the two parties to ensure satisfaction on both sides. I never used that service myself but that's one way I use to check out a suspicious auction. Some of the fake ones we saw before I always got the same answer "It's complicated", "More fees to worry about" and "We don't need that, you can trust me!".

I never bought anything offered on Kurt's forum yet but if I were to do that I would check the seller first with someone I know like Mike, you, Robert, etc. It's just that I don't usually know everybody there and I'm assuming they only have top, honorable collectors there but I don't know if an alarm would go off if someone tried to post a fake offer there. Looks like Kurt moderates the postings but I don't know that he would only allow pre-screened people to post offers. Just being cautious!

I check the forum from time to time and I think most of the people there probably know each other for many years!
I only found about his forum/site last year so I haven't had time to become familiar with the names/IDs.

Merci!

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Re:Another Tasc Scam ?
« Reply #12 on: September 6, 2005, 10:45AM »
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Hi Ismenio,


Quote from: Ismenio on September  6, 2005, 10:26AM   

He never replied to my message on the use of an Escrow service.


well, as you said in one of your first posts, the translation seemed strange.
Anyway, I don't know how to translate it  and I must admit that I don't exactly know how it works and have probably seen this word for the first time in one of these threads 

I'm not defending him because he's French 
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and may be I should have tried to learn what an escrow service is before trying to make a transaction on Kurt's forum 

Best,

Alain


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« Reply #13 on: September 6, 2005, 10:26AM »
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The US one still has 0 bids ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5236308342 )

The French one has two bids and if I'm not mistaken I think I've seen those eBay IDs before! ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5995822030 )
It's at EUR 1,430.00 as I post this but the reserve price has not been met!

He never replied to my message on the use of an Escrow service.

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« Reply #14 on: September 5, 2005, 09:24AM »
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Mike,

I am also surprise by that! I think the the scam was reported right?

Interestingly, the other day I was reading a blog for a guy who scammed a scammer! It was interesting reading. Basically, he "sold" the guy an expensive Apple notebook but he shipped a cardboard box version of it But he put the full price on the customs forms.
So, he obviously didn't get paid as the guy even had a fake escrow site that he took down after getting confirmation that the "computer" was shipped. The goal was to make the bad guy pay the import fees, which he calculated to be $500!
If all of that was true, that was a brilliant plan

I didn't save the links and wouldn't post it here as there was some bad language in the posts.

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« Reply #15 on: September 5, 2005, 09:10AM »
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You are not the only one that gets confused by that website Ismenio. It is a good job Alain is around when we mess up.

It is worrying that Ebay have allowed the scam Tasc to remain this long :-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5236308342&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

I see that the other Tasc now has a proper photograph and additional information.

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« Reply #16 on: September 5, 2005, 08:07AM »
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Oops!  I knew I would mess up at least one post today!
You're right Alain. Thanks for the correction.

Merci,

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« Reply #17 on: September 5, 2005, 07:40AM »
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Hi Ismenio,


Quote from: Ismenio on September  5, 2005, 06:27AM   

While we're on the subject of Tasc, on Steffen's "chess computer stock market" there's a complete Tasc being offered ( http://tinyurl.com/7dzby )and based on the price of the last one sold in UK it doesn't look all that bad.

Actually, I think that the left side of the page indicates that someone is looking for a Tasc and willing to pay 1500 Euros for it.

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Paul,

That's a very good sign! I was thinking that even someone who is totally new to this would (should!) be extremely cautions to bid on an auction like that but seeing people being scammed by someone who "needs help transferring millions of dollars from a foreign account", it wouldn't surprise me to see a person fall for it 

While we're on the subject of Tasc, on Steffen's "chess computer stock market" there's a complete Tasc being offered ( http://tinyurl.com/7dzby )and based on the price of the last one sold in UK it doesn't look all that bad. I wonder about what the average prices are for the transactions outside ebay


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« Reply #19 on: September 4, 2005, 01:52PM »
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I see with almost 7 days gone by,  the TASC on eBay has 0 bids.  I guess the word has gotten out
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